|
Post by Shiryu on Nov 5, 2005 7:33:00 GMT -5
Keeping a membership limit of 7 + 2 reserves, what would be your favorite Avengers team ? Mine would be Cap, Thor, Iron Man (the Big Three ), Vision, Hawkeye, Scarlet and... uhm, Wasp or the Beast. As reserves Hank Pym (whatever identity) and the other between Janet and McCoy.
|
|
Chris
Force Works-er
Posts: 15
|
Post by Chris on Nov 5, 2005 10:27:36 GMT -5
Captain America, Yellowjacket, Spider-Woman, Hawkeye, Beast, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch.
With Thor and Iron Man on reserve. I love these guys, but the big three always seem to overshadow the others.
Chris
|
|
curt
Great Lakes Avenger
Posts: 30
|
Post by curt on Nov 5, 2005 20:19:10 GMT -5
Echoing Siryu...
Cap, Thor, Iron man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Vision...
Beast AND Wasp! eliminate the 7 member rule...
curt
|
|
|
Post by Van Plexico on Nov 5, 2005 20:44:48 GMT -5
Here's who I'd like to see in the book, from one month to the next:
The Big 3 (Iron Man, Cap, Thor)
The Scarlet Witch and the Vision, and Wonder Man (great love triangle, with Wanda and her not-men)
Jan and Hank (popping in maybe half the time, in some form or fashion) (no pun intended, Jan)
Carol, as Ms Marvel, in the black Cockrum costume with sash. I'd like to see her romantically involved, either with Cap, Tony, (heck, Thor! Ha) or somehow involved with the Vision, making Wanda jealous-- as Kurt appeared to be setting up.
Occasional appearances by Black Panther, the Beast, and Hawkeye-- I really enjoyed him with the TBolts, but never liked his chemistry with the Avengers as much.
Beyond that, various guest stars are fine. I actually think Luke Cage is a great addition, if Bendis ever actually did anything with him, or gave him a personality beyond just trading jokes with Spider-Man.
I'd also love to see a villain group formed out of Klaw, Stilt-Man, the Super Adaptoid, the Super Skrull... man, most of my other favorite lame villains have become Thunderbolts! Ha!
|
|
Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
Posts: 196
|
Post by Ultron on Nov 6, 2005 4:37:33 GMT -5
Captain America, Iron Man, Black Panther, Miss Marvel, Quicksilver, Goliath, Wonder Man Tentative Avengers Europa : Captain Britain, Union Jack, Thor, Hercules, Crimson Dynamo, Scarlet Witch ... and maybe some Italian hero that falls into a bowl of pasta and becomes Elastic-Man.
|
|
|
Post by Shiryu on Nov 6, 2005 7:03:53 GMT -5
In Italy we have Rat-Man, but trust me, you don't want him in the Avengers ;D(http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/r/ratmanitaly.htm is a profile on him). Agree on Van Plexico about a romantical releationship between Warbird and another hero. In the past there have been hints with Wonder Man and Cap (as Ms. Marvel), and recently with Vision, but something always gets in the way.
|
|
|
Post by dlw66 on Nov 7, 2005 12:01:56 GMT -5
Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Mantis, Vision, Scarlet Witch (the 70's love triangle!!!) and Hawkeye. Reserves would be Quicksilver and Black Panther.
|
|
|
Post by hidenori on Nov 10, 2005 16:28:49 GMT -5
Hey guys! I'm new to this forum! Great place! Favorite team? Easy: Big Three (of course): Captain America, Iron Man, Thor plus Vision (favorite character), Scarlet Witch, the Pyms (both of them), and Black Panther Reserves: Hawkeye & Quicksilver I also wish Thor had been more godlike more often. I never did like seeing him get knocked down!
|
|
Spider-Man
Great Lakes Avenger
With Great Power There Must Come Great Responsibility
Posts: 36
|
Post by Spider-Man on Nov 29, 2005 23:48:41 GMT -5
I'll post my list, but first off, my list aren't necessarily characters that have been Avengers but rather what the team in NEW AVENGERS should have been. And I'll explain each edition as I go.
Of course we'd have the Big 3, Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor. I'm sure no one objects to these three and most would say its not the Avengers without these three.
Next up would be another founding Avenger Hulk. I know, most don't really see Hulk as a good fit (which is why he didn't last long to begin with), but it could work. Think about it, the Avengers bring in Bruce Banner to try to help him and monitor the Hulk as well.
Spider-Man. Yeah, yeah, I heard it all. He's a loner. He's...a loner...lol But not by choice. He has earned a spot in the Avengers time and again, and has been the star of a few books where he teams with other heroes (not much of a loner).
The Human Torch. Yeah, he has a team and all, although that's really his family. The Avengers would be his profession? Or maybe he could just take a leave of absense from the FF. Truthfully, I just want him on the team to interact with Spidey. Those two would be great together.
Iceman would be my next choice to have been added as the mutant rep. Hey, he's not as bad as having Wolvie here...lol
Reserves I hadn't thought much about. I think Songbird and Mach-1 would be good reserves and would work with the team constantly (like Justice and Firestar did back with Busiek's run)
|
|
Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
Posts: 196
|
Post by Ultron on Nov 30, 2005 5:04:11 GMT -5
I'll post my list, but first off, my list aren't necessarily characters that have been Avengers but rather what the team in NEW AVENGERS should have been. And I'll explain each edition as I go. Interestingly enough, one of the annoying New Avengers characteristics was the - on top of it all - poor choice BENDIS! did for the new team, which admitedly ended up as his own fanfic delusion, instead of the team it should be. If Marvel's will was to go the JLA way - a team of the biggest MArvel heroes - then surely Luke Cage, Sentry & David Mack's ninja (can't even remember the name of the character!) was the wrong way to go about it. It should have been in the likes of: Hulk (Manhunter) Cap (Batman) Iron Man (Green Lantern) Thor (Superman) Submariner (Aquaman) Miss Marvel (Wonderwoman) Quicksilver (Flash) I think Grant Morrison also made a correspondence with all 7 JLA'ers and 7 Greek-Roman Gods.
|
|
|
Post by Shiryu on Nov 30, 2005 7:47:32 GMT -5
Why Hulk for Manhunter ? Vision is much more like him... As for Spidey and the Torch, I think there has been a limited series on them recently, pretty good from what I read around in the web (of course it is still to come in Italy ) Songbird and Mach 1 would both be interesting reserves, the former was actually an Avenger in the future timeline of Avengers Forever.
|
|
Spider-Man
Great Lakes Avenger
With Great Power There Must Come Great Responsibility
Posts: 36
|
Post by Spider-Man on Nov 30, 2005 12:14:40 GMT -5
i chose Songbird solely because of her future membership in Avengers Forever....and Mach-1...although now I guess I should say Mach-4 because they go together....kinda like Justice and Firestar go together. My time that I came up for came to my mind when I heard New Avengers was going the big 7 route (which is really not true, because these characters aren't big, mostly) And I didn't really have my characters be compared to JLA, but rather be representatives to Marvel how JLA are representatives at DC. Cap's the noble hero and a big name, Thor's the mythological god and a big name, Iron Man's a big name for the technological, Hulk's a big name, Spidey is, too, then I chose an FF rep and an X-Man rep....
|
|
|
Post by dlw66 on Dec 2, 2005 12:20:04 GMT -5
I personally don't care for the times when other characters have been brought into the Avengers. That's not to say writers shouldn't experiment, but I thought when various members of the FF were brought in was a bad fit, and I am currently not caring for Wolverine. Way back when, Crystal worked in the FF, and even when Luke Cage was in briefly it served a purpose. But the second Ms. Marvel (when she became a female Thing) storyline was stupid. I'm glad Daredevil rejected Cap's inviation in New Avengers -- I like Daredevil, and he's had some memorable guest appearances in Avengers, but he doesn't belong there full-time. Same for Spider-Man.
Line-up with some folks we haven't seen in awhile:
Cap Iron Man Vision Hercules Black Widow Goliath/Ant-Man Wasp
|
|
|
Post by stingrayfan on Jan 6, 2006 22:54:04 GMT -5
My seven would be Cap, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, Nova, and Warbird or Ms. Marvel (Whatever she calls her self lately) My reserves would be Thor (he's a busy guy so he can't be there all the time) and Stingray (just look at my name)
|
|
Abe
New Avenger
Posts: 14
|
Post by Abe on Jun 2, 2006 1:35:13 GMT -5
Captain America Simon Williams Vision Beast Monica Rambeau Songbird Firebird
Reserve One - Free Spirit Reserve Two - Sidewinder
Reserves learning the ropes.
-Abe
|
|
|
Post by Yellowjacket on Jun 7, 2006 7:09:30 GMT -5
So, like I mentioned today in another thread, my favorite team is for sure the smallest and (in means of power) weakest one, so to speak the first new Avengers team: Cap/Hawkeye/Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver.
Still today, I´m impressed how well this small team worked together (think of the legendary set-tos between Hawk and Cap), perhaps the best teamwork seen by the Avengers ever.
|
|
|
Post by bobc on Jun 11, 2006 14:29:36 GMT -5
Van kind of touched on something here--If I ever start buying The Avengers again, I'd want to see more guest appearances by avengers not on the current roster. I liked the good old days when somebody like the Panther or Hawkeye would drop in and just stick around for a few issues. I really liked that! It added some unpredictability to the stories. Remember that one of Hawkeye's biggest moments was when he and the Swordsman took on Kang single-handedly for a while, back in the 70's during The Celestial Madonna storyline. Hawkeye wasn't even on the roster! I also think the Black Panther added a lot to Busiek's Ultron Unlimited series, and he only got involved by coincidence.
Back in the 60's different characters were always popping up in other character's books, but these days it seems it's getting rarer and rarer.
|
|
|
Post by dlw66 on Jun 14, 2006 16:59:58 GMT -5
Guest appearances for the sake of novelty were cool -- guest appearance today for the sake of economics are generally forced on the reader. There doesn't seem to be a "quaintness" about it today.
I'll take the team from Avengers 28-36. The Kooky Quartet + Goliath and Wasp. Very good group; nice mix of founders and the newbies. Guest appearances by the Black Widow, and Hercules joined shortly after that run.
|
|
|
Post by bobc on Jun 15, 2006 9:31:37 GMT -5
I liked that era too--the one with Captain America, Wasp, Goliath, ect. Actually, I think all the eras through the 60's and 70's were good, but trouble came and went in the 80's and 90's, with some great storylines in those decades as well. I just bought the trade paperback of "Under Siege" and it helped me remember what a great time that was in Avengers history. Tom Palmer's inks seemed a little sketchy maybe, compared to his stellar earlier work
You know it's almost like things were more coherent when there were a finite number of superheroes in the Marvel Universe.
|
|
|
Post by dlw66 on Jun 16, 2006 22:37:03 GMT -5
The Avengers in the 70's were marked by a number of "hangers on", like Mantis, the Swordsman, Agatha Harkness, Libra, Wonder Man, Hellcat, Moondragon -- I'm sure there were others. These were supporting characters who added layers to the story. While none of them would be considered "heavy hitters" by today's standards, they were nonetheless important to moving the various stories along and providing depth to the Avengers mythos.
Under Siege is a fun trade -- I've enjoyed the story in that format, but recall fondly in the mid-80's waiting for each issue in that arc as it came out!
|
|
|
Post by bobc on Jun 17, 2006 9:43:03 GMT -5
Dlw--I just re-read "Under Siege" and I am pleasantly surprised at how well that storyline holds up. The characterization was just incredible--you had rowdy Hercules constantly arguing with the Wasp and Sub-Mariner (but Hercules was defending the Sub-Mariner just as often), you had the steady cool of Captain Marvel and Captain America, you had the moral ambiguity of having the sub-Mariner on the team, you had the Wasp growing into the best leader the Avengers ever had with the exception of Captain America--so many twists and turns. Even the Masters of Evil were complicated and had infighting and intrigue.
And with all this awesome characterization and twisting plotlines, you still had lots of action every single issue. In a way, it's depressing to realize how far comics have fallen these days.
|
|
|
Post by dlw66 on Jun 17, 2006 14:36:05 GMT -5
Amen, brother. And to be honest, Buscema/Palmer hold up well too. Hey, nothing wrong with realistic (OK, realistic for bodybuilders...) anatomy/physiology. Just great four-color fun!!
|
|
|
Post by bobc on Jun 18, 2006 10:04:24 GMT -5
I'm not knocking Palmer and Buscema--in fact, they are my all-time favorite art team! I remember one day at Acclaim (videogame company) when my friend Manny just walked into my office, out of the clear blue sky, and handed me his cell phone--I was like who's this? "John Buscema" Manny replied, casually. I was stunned--there I was talking to my lifelong idol, without any warning! We spoke for only a couple of minutes--John was in the hospital, dying, as it would turn out. He was nice, kind of loud and jovial, plus he swore a lot!
Anyway--after I hung up I asked Manny how he knew I was a John Buscma fan. Apparently in my interview with Acclaim, I had been asked who my favorite artist was, and I said John Buscema, although I didn't remember it.
|
|
|
Post by dlw66 on Jun 18, 2006 19:13:41 GMT -5
Whoa... that is a great story!! I met Sal at the Chicago Con several years ago (side-by-side with Jazzy Johnny Romita at the Marvel booth, the last time I recall any Silver Agers of note being in Chicago) and chatted with him for a few moments about not only his work on Avengers but Big John's as well. He said John never liked the cons, and I said that was a pity, because I was certain he had many fans who would only like a minute of his time to say "thanks". I later corresponded with John's art agent who sold many of his sketches and doodles on ebay, as well as Owen O'Leary (who maintains the John Buscema tribute site). Through their insights, I feel like a got a handle on what John was all about. I still remember my sadness when the news crossed the Internet the day he died. It hit me big, because even up to the end I was really enjoying his output.
Anyway, bobc, I got the impression from the first line of your last post that you either thought I was knocking B/P or thought that you were -- such is not the case on either count! Big John continues to be my standard for Avengers artists, and always will be!!
|
|
|
Post by giantman on Jun 21, 2006 19:03:54 GMT -5
My team is simple.
Captain America Iron Man Thor Giant-Man The Wasp Hawkeye and either Falcon or The Red Raven.
My alternates are Namor and Human Torch I.
|
|
|
Post by Shiryu on Jun 22, 2006 6:44:45 GMT -5
Human Torch I in an interesting choice, he never had much space in the Avengers after he was revived by Byrne in WCA.
|
|
|
Post by dlw66 on Jun 22, 2006 9:16:55 GMT -5
I could take giantman's team. I like his suggestions of either Red Raven or the Original Human Torch. Those are characters that could work well. They would not be forced upon us in the name of marketing other titles, properties, etc. The dynamics of characters from the past would be exciting to see as they unfolded. As stated elsewhere, Marvel has dropped the ball with New Avengers and could really use a more classic approach...
|
|
|
Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 22, 2006 15:13:44 GMT -5
Gonna have to go with the basics:
Main Team:
Cap Thor Iron Man Vision Scarlet Witch Quicksilver Hawkeye
Reserves:
Yellowjacket Wasp
|
|
|
Post by Spider-Man on Jul 14, 2006 10:42:49 GMT -5
Captain America Iron Man Thor Black Panther and Beast.
|
|
|
Post by redstatecap on Jul 18, 2006 21:39:46 GMT -5
Captain America Spitfire The (original) Torch Namor Union Jack Hawkeye Ms. Marvel
Reserves: Thor Iron Man
|
|