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Post by Shiryu on Nov 4, 2005 6:42:00 GMT -5
Pity to see this section still empty, so let's try something, even though there are still only a few users in the forum. What is / are your favourite Avengers' "periods" ? I, of course, loved the Stern one and the recent Busiek one  |
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Post by Chris on Nov 4, 2005 9:17:04 GMT -5
I think the most FUN I've had reading it was the Englehart West Coast Avengers... Busiek's was a nice ride too, until the arc where Alan Davis joined. Great art. Long, drawn out story....
Chris
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 4, 2005 12:07:52 GMT -5
Being old enough to have discovered the Avengers through the Marvel Triple Action reprints, I am very partial to the Cap's Kooky Quartet era, specifically the stretch of issues that began with my favorite cover, issue #28 (A Goliath Walks Among Us!). After that ended, the Thomas/Buscema run was memorable for me, too.
Having looked at some other posts on various topics and seeing that people are for the most part disgusted with the current set-up, I would recommend everyone picking up the various trade paperbacks (just finished the Serpent Crown last week) and Essential Avengers tpb's. Maybe I'm just stuck on what I liked as a kid, but even as an adult I enjoy those stories and certainly the classic characterizations a lot better than some of this edgy stuff put out today.
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Post by dngillikin on Nov 4, 2005 12:59:18 GMT -5
Of course, the period where I first discovered the Avengers holds pride of place, and I started with #149, so for me, my favorite period runs from #149-200.
Second favorite would be the Kurt/George run in volume three, followed by the Stern/Buscema/Palmer run.
Then Thomas/Buscema then Lee-Thomas/Heck.
I'm not sure where I'd put Englehart. I enjoy his work on the title, but I don't go back to reread it as often as I do the others I've listed.
Again, thank goodness for those Marvel Triple Action reprints. Through them, one could say that I discovered the Avengers twice. :-)
-Donald
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Ultron
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Post by Ultron on Nov 4, 2005 15:39:04 GMT -5
Interesting, to me too it's 141-200, all done pencilled by Pérez and Byrne. I'd highlight the Serpent Crown by Steve Englehart, and The Bride of Ultron (sandwiching a great Count Nefaria story) by Jim Shooter.
Don't think the Avengers ever got any better than that, although they came close with Roger Stern, and Busiek's Avengers Forever (itself a reash of the aforimented Steve Englehart run.)
The major disapointment of that run, was that the Korvac saga got abandoned by George Pérez at middle, particularly since he himself requested a high number member story to cater to his skills, and then simply left when DC offered him a chance to do the JLA, something that, to add insult to injury, lasted only a handful of issues. I still can't tread down that run because of the inconstant and, at times, low quality art.
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Post by brett on Nov 4, 2005 21:11:47 GMT -5
I got into the Avengers very late just before the start of the "Heroes Reborn" era, so that 12-Issue run has a soft spot in my heart. Through the courtesy of graphic novels and reprints I was able to read many of the silver age adventures but I really liked the Busiek relaunch after the Heroes Reborn. But all in all novel captures the magic and excitement for me like the first 24 issues, in Essential Avengers Volume 1. You can definately feel the energy and sense of community the writers and artists were trying to convey.
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Post by HarperDJ on Nov 4, 2005 22:32:06 GMT -5
My favorite period in this title had to be the run under Roger Stern. Period!
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Post by Adrian J. Watts on Nov 4, 2005 22:50:27 GMT -5
To be quite frank... I liked it all. Even the awful Austen run, although I liked that the LEAST. I do, however, have a few favourite (and not-so-favourite) arcs, but no particular writer/artist run stands out: - The first appearance of Wonder Man (Vol.1 #8) - The first appearance of Erik Josten (Vol.1 #21-22) - The Michael Korvac/GotG arc (can't remember the issue numbers) - The destruction of Avengers mansion (Vol.1 #275-277) - Sersi's mah'd wy'ry (Vol.1 ~#350-#375, and then her and Dane's journey in the Ultraverse) - Operation: Galactic Storm - The Crossing. I love the Crossing.  - The Triune Understanding Protests (Vol.3 #27, in particular) - ALL of AWC Aside from Bendis and Austen, Busiek would have to be my least favourite Avengers scribe, although his writing isn't TOO awful. The only thing I really enjoyed about his arc was how he portrayed Cap the way I'd always seen him (read issues in the early teens of Vol.3 to see how differently Busiek portrayed him). Roy Thomas didn't do a lot for me on the East Coast book, but I loved his run on the Whackos. Austen was awful merely for his lack of knowledge of continuity. BENDIS! is just plain awful. When I really think about it, though.... I guess the Harras/Epting run would have to be my favourite. It involved my LEAST favourite Avengers (Crystal, Sersi, Black Knight, Black Widow, etc.) but it had a compelling subplot (the Crystal-Sersi-Dane-Vision-Wanda love pentagon) and planted the seeds for the revelation in Vol.3 that the Vision never really lost his emotions. It's so hard to choose, darn it. :-) - Adrian |
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Post by captparamedic on Nov 5, 2005 17:35:29 GMT -5
I would have to say Volume 1, followed by the Busiek portion of Volume 3.
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Post by curt on Nov 5, 2005 20:15:31 GMT -5
I'm an Avengers fan from Waaaaay back, as I said elsewhere. The very first comic I remember owning was an issue of Avengers that I inherited from my sister. it was Avengergers # 20 or so, where the Swordsman was pushing Cap off of the construction site. I have been reading ever since...
My favorite run started w/ John Buscema. I love the perez stuff w/ all the writers, but back in the day when Hawkeye, Wasp and a powerless Goliath WERE the Avengers- that was my favorite. Buscema brought us 'Death be Not Proud', the Masters of Evil, Ultron and the Vision. d**n...
Who could beat that?
Curt
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 7, 2005 11:58:08 GMT -5
Agreed, Curt! Those were great times with great art -- you got a little bit of the Commie-scare stuff that was running through Marvel in the early and mid-60's (the Red Guardian issues), and then they took off with the Whirlwind/Ant-Man story in 46 (I believe), the great cover on 51 where Goliath gets his powers back, and the Magneto & X-Men stories sandwiched around 50-52. Great stuff!!
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Post by Van Plexico on Nov 15, 2005 10:32:51 GMT -5
I started reading in 1977, with Avengers #162, "the Bride of Ultron." That comic freaked me out, and I was hooked.
My favorite run of issues would therefore have to be 158-177, which included Graviton, Ultron, the Reaper, Super-Nefaria, and Korvac. Shooter's writing was pitch-perfect to my young ears, and Perez spoiled me for every other comics artist, by being the first I encountered. (Starlin's 2 Thanos-related annuals also fall within that time frame.)
I didn't enjoy another run on the Avengers nearly that much, until Busiek's time. And, as he has admitted, much of his work ended up seeming more like Shooter, even though he says he was aiming for Englehart.
I think the main things I enjoyed about Shooter's run were his effective use of the Big Three, keeping them interesting and involved, and his choice of villains, all of whom provided a very real, very deadly challenge even when Thor was around. I also believe he handled the Vision more effectively than any writer since then has.
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Post by Spider-Man on Nov 30, 2005 0:01:24 GMT -5
my favorite run...woulda been Avengers Forever...although that might just be considered an arc, but still love it. Busiek's run on Vol #3 would be my fave if AF don't count
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Post by Ultron on Nov 30, 2005 5:05:14 GMT -5
my favorite run...woulda been Avengers Forever...although that might just be considered an arc, but still love it. Busiek's run on Vol #3 would be my fave if AF don't count Yeah Avengers Forever was definitely better than the v3 run. |
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Post by asgardian on Dec 2, 2005 19:42:23 GMT -5
Like Van Plexico, I as a boy read the title during the classic phase. Ultron was amazing, Nefaria and the Lethal Legion awesome and of course Korvac's last stand against the Avengers and Guardians was jaw-dropping. The Annuals were also first-rate at this time and the second Thanos War was the ultimate adventure.
1977-1979 were very good years for the Avengers.
Why can't Marvel write stories like these anymore?
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 2, 2005 23:45:49 GMT -5
Marvel can't write stories like this anymore because many of their creators grew up on the Image crap of the '90's. All style, no substance. That's why Wolverine, Spider-Man, and Jessica Drew's boobs are the main thing in New Avengers. Although Geoff Johns' few issues on Avengers were terrible (how about the gratuitous sex scene between Jan and Hank about two years ago??), his stuff over at DC is overall very good. He's a younger guy who appreciates the past and feels like he owes something to the creators who came before him. Marvel doesn't have too many guys like that, and it's a shame because I've always been partial to Marvel over DC.
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Post by opus on Dec 18, 2005 9:49:35 GMT -5
I loved the Avengers from about 200 to 260 or so. That is when discovered the Avengers, and the whole Hank Pym thing still blows me away.
Anyone ever read The Evil undying, a short story published in the late 70's? To me, that is classic Avengers.
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Post by Shiryu on Dec 19, 2005 12:19:39 GMT -5
Haven't read it. What is it about ? sounds like an Ultron story...
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Post by opus on Dec 21, 2005 13:54:01 GMT -5
It is an Ultron story. It is a short story version of the storyline in Avengers 201 and 202, or at least somewhere in there. It is very good. The page that describes Thor as he walks in is what inspired me to write.
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Post by Shiryu on Dec 27, 2005 8:00:42 GMT -5
Is it a novelisation then ? It would be interesting to read, I'm something of a writer myself...
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Post by BoredYesterday on Feb 24, 2006 9:59:18 GMT -5
I can't say, because I haven't read them all yet. I really enjoy the Roy Thomas / John Buscema stuff around issues 40 up on through whenever. I also dig the mid-200s Roger Stern run and Shooter's second brief run. I haven't read much at all from the early 70s since I was a kid, but I anticipate enjoying them a lot -- because I like the team.
Least favorite: New Avengers. Last favorite from volume 1: Harrass after Sersi and Dane left.
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Post by celticphoenix on Mar 22, 2006 5:09:18 GMT -5
Avengers about 141 - 204. That is hands down the best period. Awsome story telling (today's writers do not hold even a candle to the story telling of the mid 70's to early 80's). Occasionally today's books get a spark of the old magic, but it's quickly doused with "reality". Busiek had it for a while in Avengers vol.3. but haven't seen much of it lately. Even Claremont isn't holding up to what he and Byrne and Cockrum had in that period.
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