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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 19, 2007 21:27:51 GMT -5
Anyone who has seen my past posts on this one know that I am fascinated with the way they are writing Bullseye.
Second would be Atlas, he was one of the best examples of the bad guy seeking redemption through unselfish heroism.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 20, 2007 4:03:12 GMT -5
Moonstone.
She's just SO....
...deliciously....
...EVIL....
(If this were 'LEast Favourite', I'd vote Moonstone too since I also despise her with every fibre of my being. She's just an awesome character in the hands of Ellis)
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Post by balok on Mar 20, 2007 10:13:40 GMT -5
Songbird. She went from total loser (as Screaming Mimi) and has actually emerged as a decent person with potential for greater growth.
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Post by Yellowjacket on Mar 21, 2007 8:17:20 GMT -5
I go with you, nutcase65, Bullseye.
Though I don´t read Thunderbolts I love that character, he really is forceful.
I remember the last time reading him in DD (Brubaker´s first arc, when DD was imprisoned), when Kingpin recruited (maybe ordered is the better term) Bullseye to help the alliance of Kingpin/Daredevil against a prison gangster mob.
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 22, 2007 9:06:49 GMT -5
For me it would have been a tie between the Beetle/Match xxx and Songbird, and since the latter is in the pool, I voted for her. I enjoyed the way she evolved throughout the book, and also her apperance in Avengers Forever.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 25, 2007 16:20:54 GMT -5
So are is there no one out there who will take up the cause of the Mighty Heroic speedb,...I mean Penance?
Can the Ghost Rider do the penance stare on penance?
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 25, 2007 18:22:42 GMT -5
Imagine if he'd do it on Stark...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 25, 2007 18:46:27 GMT -5
See that's a good question. Let's put aside our opinions about any of the artists involved and play make believe.
Make believe these are real people,or they are on our earth or whatever.
I always thought that Ghost Riders stare was so effective because the people he stared down knew they were doing evil. He only brought it back to the serface.
If you look at most of Tony's portrayal through everything that has happened, he really seems to believe that he hadn't done wrong. That his end justified the means. I don't know if it would phase him.
Look at it this way, would it work on Dr Doom. He has justified his actions so deeply he probably sees no wrong in them, so I don't believe they would resurface.
There may be a precedence with the penance stare I am not aware of. Anyone please feel free to give any correction.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 25, 2007 19:22:18 GMT -5
But the thing is, hardly anyone seems to believe their evil, no matter how dwspicable their actions or their consecuences might be... From this kind of approach, Hitler himself would not so much as flinch under the Ghost Rider's stare, as apparently he felt he was justified on everything he brought about... So I don't think that the penance stare depends on the point of view of the staree... otherwise, very few people would probably feel its effect...
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 25, 2007 19:41:33 GMT -5
I don't know if what happens in the Ghost Rider movie is wholy canonical for the comic books, but I seem to remember that, in the movie, his penance stare more or less makes the staree himself experience what he has put other people through...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 25, 2007 22:13:25 GMT -5
Ua2 I think you are right, It was more a reciprical kinda thing. It WAS a put you in their shoes. but with Tony I don't know how much that would accomplish.
But if they were to turn Ghost Rider into a ninja eventually he'd come up against IM and we would see.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 26, 2007 5:36:00 GMT -5
Perhaps Stark would merely shrug it off saying "Oy...!"
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 31, 2007 13:32:37 GMT -5
But the thing is, hardly anyone seems to believe their evil Except the Masters of Evil ;D |
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Post by von Bek on Mar 31, 2007 13:39:32 GMT -5
But the thing is, hardly anyone seems to believe their evil Except the Masters of Evil ;D Or the Brotherhood of EVIL Mutants. But wait, Pietro asnd Wanda weren´t really evil, so...  |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 9, 2007 5:22:28 GMT -5
...or, perhaps, deep down they always knew one day their destinies would fall on the merciless hands of Bendis...
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 5:39:35 GMT -5
No, I think it has to be a truly deep level of evil far beyond even what Stark is accused of, and I think mtoives have something to do with it. Doom's motives are, in essence, selfish. He justifies them to HIMSELF, but they're all purely for personal gain and the same cannot really be said of Stark.
Otherwise he could use the Penance Stare on Spider-Man and he'd relive his worst moments. I don't think the Penance Stare would work on Stark, or on a character like Hulk for example despite his mass-murderer status- or Hell, maybe not even on Magneto.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 9, 2007 5:44:14 GMT -5
It is a measure of my respect for Doctor Doom as a character, in spite of of his evil heart, that I think he could outstare Ghost Rider...
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 6:09:34 GMT -5
Course to be fair, Ghost Rider wouldn't have a prayer of getting CLOSE ENOUGH...  |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 9, 2007 6:31:28 GMT -5
One of my favorite Doom moments happened in the "What If...?" series; they're addressing what would happen should the Avengers & the FF had failed to stop the elder god Seth from returning to Earth and Doom fallsto Seth, defiant to the end and magnifiscent...
It's interesting to reflect that, though Doom has so far always failed to conquer the world for good, he has often succeded in saving it, or at least being a key element in saving it...
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 6:34:09 GMT -5
He has conquered it at least once that I can remember, though. I seem to recall he once conquered it and give it up out of boredom, plus he had a planet in Heroes Reborn. That said, speaking of the Penance Stare one bit I always remember is when he was captured by a villain- I don't remember who- and held in his island fortress. The villain was telepathic and Doom basically mocked and goaded him. Enraged, the villain turned his telepathic skills on Doom to make him kill himself. Doom just stared straight back into his eyes with disdain, and th villain gasped and said "Impossible... why do you not obey? No man... No man has a will that strong!"
Doom just looked back and more or less said "Doom is no mere man."
Awesome.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 9, 2007 8:31:11 GMT -5
but then the guy started a tickle fight and Doom completely caved.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 10:17:03 GMT -5
It's true.
Doom is secure enough in Doom's manhood to admit it.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 9, 2007 16:49:37 GMT -5
He has conquered it at least once that I can remember, though. I seem to recall he once conquered it and give it up out of boredom That would be the graphic novel Emperor Doom, which some of us have discussed before. I suspect you’re thinking of a scene in the aforementioned graphic novel, in which the prisoner is not a telepath but the Purple Man. The exchange goes like this: |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 17:14:15 GMT -5
Aaah Phantom, your AA's own library!
Thank you VERY much- you were right, my memory had decieved me on who was the prisoner and who was the ruler. Thank you once more from the bottom of my heart, noble compatriot!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 9, 2007 17:23:20 GMT -5
but the tickle fight did still happen, right?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 17:33:38 GMT -5
What happens in Castle Doom STAYS in Castle Doom!
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 9, 2007 18:01:05 GMT -5
As that unfortunate american female reporter who peeked too close into Doom's soul had the chance to learn...
Doom decreed that she knew too much & made her a permanent, albeit unwilling, guest in his castle...
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Post by balok on Apr 10, 2007 15:26:51 GMT -5
Imagine if he'd do it on Stark... The man would be reduced to a gibbering loon in seconds. I'd pay money to see that scene. The penance stare, according to the first Ghost Rider stories (well, the first Johnny Blaze stories), forces the individual to evaluate their actions within Ghost Rider's pitiless perception of what's evil. Creature of evil that Zarathos was, it had a thorough grounding in the concept. A few were able to resist the effect through one means or another, but very few. The Trapster, possibly back when he called himself Paste Pot Pete, screamed, "Dear God, I'm in Hell!!" when he met the stare. Spider-Man found this display so unnerving that he re-evaluated the wisdom of teaming up with GR. (This was in an issue of MTU, first run). In the few issues of the book that I read, he never used the stare. It might be that he no longer can. Which would be a pity, because it was a unique and in some ways defining power; without it he's little better than a supernatural thug. |
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 10, 2007 16:30:58 GMT -5
What happens in Castle Doom STAYS in Castle Doom! That's just funny |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 12, 2007 12:31:41 GMT -5
So Latveria has been renamed "Las Verias"...?
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