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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 25, 2006 19:58:23 GMT -5
From the “All the Rage” rumor column at Silver Bullet Comic Books: …Columnist John Voulieris rates the rumor’s credibility as 9 out of 10. The only such writer that I could think of was Neil Gaiman, but I’m not sure I know all the big-name writers and their nationalities. ( Bendis isn’t British, is he? ;D ) |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 26, 2006 10:45:17 GMT -5
My bet is Warren Ellis. It could have been Millar, since he fits the dexcription and is reportedly very interested in the team, but we know he isn't taking an ongoing but going straight on to a new project with Brian Hitch. They'll need at least a year for the first two issues based on past records  |
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Post by thew40 on Sept 27, 2006 9:29:34 GMT -5
Millar is Scottish.
My best bet would be would be Warren Ellis. He's a great writer and it would be awesome if wrote like he did "Authority." Just as long as he veers away from how he's doing "Nextwave." As much as I love "Nextwave," it's not a style that a lot of people like.
~W~
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 27, 2006 22:25:35 GMT -5
That would fit, then. I didn’t know anything about Ellis’ nationality until I looked it up upon reading W’s post. Given Ellis’ reputation for not liking superheroes, it would seem consistent to put him on a superhero series that turns the superhero convention inside out. Aside from the nationality question, another reason I didn’t think of Ellis or Millar (whose nationality I did know) is that my exposure to their writing has not left a good impression, and so I would be apprehensive about either writer taking on a series that I currently enjoy. However, I intend to keep an open mind if either one is named new Thunderbolts scribe. |
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Post by thew40 on Sept 28, 2006 16:27:24 GMT -5
Given Ellis’ reputation for not liking superheroes, it would seem consistent to put him on a superhero series that turns the superhero convention inside out. I wouldn't say he doesn't like superheroes per se, just not the sterotypically superhero. He's written a fair amount of superheroes, actually, including The Authority, Excalibur, Ultimate Galactus (which was terrible), and a couple of others that slip my mind. Have we debated this before? I vaguely remember talking to someone about Ellis and his feelings about super-heroes. But you're right, it does suit him. Reserved open-ness is always the way to go, I feel.  What about Grant Morrison? I know he's DC exclusive right now, but isn't that contract almost up? I'd love to see him gloriously return to Marvel. Peter Milligan would also be a good choice, considering his recent work with "X-Force/X-Statix." ~W~ PS - What's with my karma? It keeps plumetting faster than my checking account on new comic day. |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 28, 2006 17:07:31 GMT -5
Have we debated this before? I vaguely remember talking to someone about Ellis and his feelings about super-heroes. , but I have not. I’ve not read enough of Ellis—or about him—to have formed such an opinion. But I’ve heard the opinion—hence my referring to Ellis’ “reputation” instead of referencing the alleged dislike directly. I’ve enjoyed some things they’ve written, but I have little confidence in them too. I wouldn’t worry about it (indeed, I’d wear it as a badge of honor). |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Oct 5, 2006 15:55:07 GMT -5
Newsarama has posted some observations suggesting that Ellis will be the new T’bolts writer. Supposedly Marvel will be announcing both the Thunderbolts creative team and Ellis’ new project tomorrow, and so theoretically these two announcements could be one and the same. |
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Post by thew40 on Oct 6, 2006 10:28:21 GMT -5
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Post by steed on Oct 6, 2006 13:57:36 GMT -5
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Post by The Night Phantom on Oct 6, 2006 16:21:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the links, guys! I think I’m going to have my friendly neighborhood comics shop stop holding Thunderbolts for me when Ellis and Deodato take over. I’m no fan of Deodato, but the reason for stopping T’bolts is my concern over the writing. I’ve read little of Ellis and don’t have much of an opinion about his writing. I do know of some other projects he’s written; they tend not to interest me. So, I’m not stopping out of anti-Ellis sentiment. Rather, the description of the new direction tends to leave me dubious. The comparisons to New Avengers really rub me the wrong way, as I have been disappointed by that series. That said, I’m open to the possibility that I would enjoy the revised series, and so I intend to keep an eye on Thunderbolts news and to look for “new” series when it appears on the shelves. But I’m not advance-ordering it. I will read Zemo: Born Better, though. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Oct 7, 2006 6:12:45 GMT -5
Interesting. I'll pick up the first 2 or 3 new issues, see what it's like. Some things seem dubious decisions, others fairly wise. Truth be told, I'm glad to be shot of Fabien. Yes, he redefined the Tbolts, but often his issues were simply tiresome to read, with masses of exposition crammed in wherever possible.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Oct 7, 2006 6:48:39 GMT -5
I can say I am glad the T’bolts assignment did not go to Mark Millar. Not only has the characterization in Civil War soured me on his writing, but…well, let’s take a look at a Millar quote from the newsbreaking article the W cited: Uh…doesn’t the East Coast have a high population density? Does Millar actually believe that Scotland has an even population distribution throughout its entire territory? (Perhaps he meant that Scots aren’t taught how to read population density maps?) I seriously question this guy’s intellectual qualifications… |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Oct 7, 2006 17:58:35 GMT -5
I can say I am glad the T’bolts assignment did not go to Mark Millar. Not only has the characterization in Civil War soured me on his writing, but…well, let’s take a look at a Millar quote from the newsbreaking article the W cited: Uh…doesn’t the East Coast have a high population density? Does Millar actually believe that Scotland has an even population distribution throughout its entire territory? (Perhaps he meant that Scots aren’t taught how to read population density maps?) I seriously question this guy’s intellectual qualifications… Still, no matter what way you spin it it's a disproporitanate number of super-heroes. What with the 26 X-teams, the Avengers, the Thunderbolts, the Fantastic Four, the Ex-Avengers (Ms marvel, wonder man etc), the Hulk, DOctor Strange etc, PLUS the massive concentration of B-listers and below, there has to be a ratio of something like 100:1 for east coast and the rest of America. Then take the number of that who are in New York ALONE, plus the heroes who are worth more than almost any other and are almost exclusively east coast, etc, and I can see what he means. Oh, and don't mess with the Millar Currently he's my favourite writer, and I'm now 20% certain everything he touches turns to gold, the huge exception being a *cough* adult piece he wrote a while back with a... ahem.... 'alternate' look at Spider-Man's origins. (Let's just say: 'Aunt May' and 'Peter's real mom' and leave it at that.) |
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Post by thew40 on Oct 9, 2006 14:29:01 GMT -5
I can say I am glad the T’bolts assignment did not go to Mark Millar. Not only has the characterization in Civil War soured me on his writing, but…well, let’s take a look at a Millar quote from the newsbreaking article the W cited: Uh…doesn’t the East Coast have a high population density? Does Millar actually believe that Scotland has an even population distribution throughout its entire territory? (Perhaps he meant that Scots aren’t taught how to read population density maps?) I seriously question this guy’s intellectual qualifications… He meant that East Coast of the United States. What he means is that as someone not from the US, it's strange to only have a bunch of super-heroes in one area and very little to no super heroes in any other. ~W~ |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Oct 9, 2006 17:10:22 GMT -5
Uh…doesn’t the East Coast have a high population density? Does Millar actually believe that Scotland has an even population distribution throughout its entire territory? (Perhaps he meant that Scots aren’t taught how to read population density maps?) I seriously question this guy’s intellectual qualifications… He meant that East Coast of the United States. What he means is that as someone not from the US, it's strange to only have a bunch of super-heroes in one area and very little to no super heroes in any other. I understood Millar was talking about the US. But I don’t think it should surprise anyone that super-people are more common in places where people are more common (though I would say there are also diogetic reasons that help increase the ratio of super-people in the New York area). If Millar thinks that people are evenly distributed across the United States, he’s ludicrously ignorant; if he thinks so because he thinks that’s the way it is in Scotland, he is profoundly unobservant of his own surroundings. That doesn’t make for good writing. Of course, it’s possible he understands the unevenness of population distribution in Scotland but fails to comprehend that similar conditions can exist elsewhere; if so, he is demonstrating a paucity of logic and imagination that also bodes ill for his writing skill. And I think it’s unfair to blame his Scottish nationality or heritage for his intellectual shortcomings. |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Oct 15, 2006 18:28:13 GMT -5
Part of Marvel’s January solicitation information is available, and here is the description for the first Ellis–Deodato issue:A cover image is also available. (It bears Deodato’s signature, which is strange, since the solicitation says the covers are by Marko Djurdjevic and Leinil Yu.) I’m sticking with my plan of dropping Thunderbolts from my pull list but looking for it on store shelves and going from there. One thing that increases the odds of my enjoying the series is that the membership revamp is not so nearly total as the end of Civil War #4 might suggest: aside from mystery person Penance, we have only three brand-new members alongside four past members—a sign that the changeover is not necessarily a complete break with T’bolts tradition. As for the identity of Penance—Speedball? Nitro? Genis-Vell? |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Oct 15, 2006 18:31:35 GMT -5
As for the identity of Penance—Speedball? Nitro? Genis-Vell? Another thought: Zemo? |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Oct 16, 2006 16:53:19 GMT -5
I don't think so, given that he is in his own limited series, and also his prediction that Mellisa will need to restart the Thunderbolts. And then, y'know, appooint Osborne as her boss.
No, I still don't get that part.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Oct 16, 2006 21:25:59 GMT -5
Hypothetically Zemo’s limited series could take place before T’bolts #110…but no, I don’t really buy that. Another thought is that Penance is someone penitent for his role in supporting the registration débâcle…like Hank Pym, Tony Stark, or Reed Richards. Of that trio, Hank seems the most likely, with his special guilt vis-à-vis his friend Bill Foster—and he currently doesn’t have a regular series that he would have to disappear from. But as we’ve been discussing elsewhere, Reed might be disappearing from his team. And Tony’s own series seems to come out at random intervals lately. (But he’s slated to be in Mighty Avengers—well, assuming that MA’s Iron Man is Tony. Then again, if Wolverine can serve in the Avengers and another team…) I will go out on a limb and say Penance isn’t Maya López. I assume that’s Penance in the center of the cover image. I’m not sure if some of the red areas are supposed to be red skin or not. I still keep thinking of Speedball, Robbie Baldwin. He’s being painted as someone for whom penance would be appropriate. (Possible spoiler alert) In Civil War: Front Line #7, he admits to himself his culpability in the Stamford disaster. In that same issue, he also appears to undergo a re-powering of some sort. In the T’bolts cover image, the proportions are funky, but Penance looks smaller than the surrounding characters, which would fit with Robbie—physically, for sure, and perhaps on some psychological level! |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 6, 2007 9:37:56 GMT -5
Penance’s identity has been revealed: SPOILER ALERT!!!. . . . . . . . . . . . WARNING: SPOILER BEGINS:In Civil War: Front Line #10 this week, Robbie Baldwin a.k.a. Speedball becomes Penance. This situation is discussed at length in yesterday’s New Joe Fridays.SPOILER ALERT CANCELED.. . . . . . . . . . . . |
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