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Post by goldenfist on Nov 9, 2007 9:55:02 GMT -5
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 9, 2007 12:47:16 GMT -5
First reaction..... BENDIS! dailogue still irritates the hell out of me and too many shower scenes. I suppose his writing is supposed to seem more natural and conversational but it's too formula based for me. You can almost predict what the next line is going to be. That is not conversational writing. And I don't care who you are, you are going to get freaked out if someone sneaks up behind you in the shower. You're not going to just stand there with the water running having a nice little chat.
Other that, story looks intriguing. But then I've always said the BENDIS! is good at the concepts.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Nov 9, 2007 13:01:26 GMT -5
How exactly does Yu manage to make drawing naked Spider-Woman in a shower look ugly? Surely this is impossible!
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Post by goldenfist on Nov 11, 2007 11:25:19 GMT -5
I was laughing when I saw Black Widow come in and asking for
deodorant.
The Hood Arc will be completed in New Avengers #37(Which will be Yu's last artwork on the New Avengers) and the New Avengers
Annual #2.
NA #38 will be titled the Break-Up it will focus on Luke Cage and
Jesscia Jones in their relationship, NA #39 will examine Echo's
relationship to the New Avengers.
Issues 40 and 41 will about the Skrulls, Then issues 42 and 43
will look at Nick Fury, His absence from the Marvel Universre after
Secret War and his response to the Skrull's plans for Earth.
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Post by woodside on Nov 11, 2007 12:20:54 GMT -5
First reaction, this issue looks stronger than the past two (thankfully) and Mighty Avengers. Yu's art is a lot less cluttered and is about as good as it's been on this book -- except for Black Widow. The Hood Arc will be completed in New Avengers #37(Which will be Yu's last artwork on the New Avengers) and the New Avengers Annual #2. NA #38 will be titled the Break-Up it will focus on Luke Cage and Jesscia Jones in their relationship, NA #39 will examine Echo's relationship to the New Avengers. Issues 40 and 41 will about the Skrulls, Then issues 42 and 43 will look at Nick Fury, His absence from the Marvel Universre after Secret War and his response to the Skrull's plans for Earth. Sounds good. I like that he's going to be centering in on different characters and slowing things down pace-wise while not taking a million issues to tell a story. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Nov 11, 2007 13:11:11 GMT -5
I honestly haven't found any New issues so far to be better than Mighty Avengers.
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Post by woodside on Nov 12, 2007 0:25:20 GMT -5
I honestly haven't found any New issues so far to be better than Mighty Avengers. WHA -- ?!?! I disagree, sir!  Whole-heartedly, actually! Now I know how Captain America felt when Iron Man punched him in Civil War # 4! The pacing and quaility of the storyline has been excellent in NA. The cast of characters is more interesting and has an overall better dynamic than that of MA. Now, either you shall agree with me or WE WILL GO TO FISTICUFFS!  |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Nov 12, 2007 11:27:06 GMT -5
*powers up energy suit* I cannot agree, friend. The cast of New Avengers are neither as interesting nor as... well, Avenger-y. The Mighty team both makes more sense given continuity, has great chemistry between members, has an interesting dynamic of leadership, has *multiple* oppurtunies for interteam romance and have in general been allowed to distinguish themselves more. They've also been fighter higher levels of threats. Although the pacing is off on Mighty, a large part of that is due to the release schedule. The story may be stretched out, but not as much as, say, fighting ninjas for half of a six issue arc.  New has been great, but it's art is FAR worse, and Bendis has overplayed the Skrull aspect of it. So to my mind, New has better pacing and better dialogue, but Mighty has a better cast, better villains, a better scope and the characters are more distinctive- as well as FAR better art! EN GARDE! (Why do I get the feeling that there are forummers here who have nightmares at the idea of threads filled with 'which Bendis book is better' debates?) |
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 12, 2007 11:41:52 GMT -5
(Why do I get the feeling that there are forummers here who have nightmares at the idea of threads filled with 'which Bendis book is better' debates?) And death is not an option... |
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Post by spiderwasp on Nov 12, 2007 14:26:41 GMT -5
To me it's not a question of which Avengers book is better. It's more of a question of which title containing the word Avengers is better. IMO, New Avengers is no more of a real Avengers team than the Great Lakes Avengers. Just because you call yourself something, it doesn't mean you really are. When the team first formed, I wasn't crazy about the line-up and it didn't FEEL like Avengers to me, but I still acknowledged that it was. It was formed, after all, by Captain America and Ironman. This current team has no previous members (Except Spidey, who was a reservist) and is not acknowledged by the government. This is just a group of characters who have chosen to call themselves by the Avengers name.
As far as which book is actually better, I still have to go with Mighty there too but that's less because of the quality of either book as it is about my personal preferences. Mighty has mostly characters that I actually like and care about, whereas New has become unreadable to me. Even to the point that the last issue I picked up to read at Barnes and Noble bored me so much that I put it down after only reading half.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Nov 12, 2007 17:31:08 GMT -5
T This current team has no previous members (Except Spidey, who was a reservist) and is not acknowledged by the government. Playing devil's advocate, though, *all* members of this team except Doctor Strange and Iron Fist are previous members. You forgot Clint, but Luke, Spider-Woman, Spidey and Wolverine were all on the roster which you acknowledged could be considered real Avengers. Thus making them... real Avengers? I personally DON'T consider them so, because I'm conservative deep at heart, but I'm just saying, the case can be made. Funny story, I remember Bendis saying someone would say "We're the Avengers because Captain America *SAYS* we're the Avengers." However, that was not the case. In fact, Cap's last order to these people was to NOT do exactly what they are now doing. Thus now they are the Avengers because Luke Cage says they're the Avengers. |
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Post by scottharris on Nov 12, 2007 22:16:54 GMT -5
In that last panel, Black Widow looks remarkably like Peter Boyle.
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Post by spiderwasp on Nov 12, 2007 22:25:26 GMT -5
Playing devil's advocate, though, *all* members of this team except Doctor Strange and Iron Fist are previous members. You forgot Clint, but Luke, Spider-Woman, Spidey and Wolverine were all on the roster which you acknowledged could be considered real Avengers. Thus making them... real Avengers? You're right. I did forget Clint. Since he's not Hawkeye, it's hard to remember that he's there. I do acknowledge the logic that one could use to justify the team's legitamacy, however it all boils down to one thing in the end. To me, they just don't feel like the Avengers. Nuff said. |
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Post by woodside on Nov 13, 2007 10:02:24 GMT -5
To me, they just don't feel like the Avengers. Nuff said. While I'm still enjoying this book, I do have to agree with you here. It doesn't feel like the traditional Avengers. |
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Post by Tone-Loc on Nov 13, 2007 10:35:54 GMT -5
In that last panel, Black Widow looks remarkably like Peter Boyle. Yeah, some more great Yu artwork. I have NEVER cared for the Black Widow, at any point throughout history. It was only in recent issues of Captain America, where I actually found Widow to be more tolerable, if not likable.... so I guess I can thank Yu and Bendis, for setting something back to normal in the MU for me. |
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Whole-heartedly, actually!
New has been great, but it's art is FAR worse, and Bendis has overplayed the Skrull aspect of it. 
