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Post by thew40 on Sept 7, 2007 21:05:12 GMT -5
You're not! If you like it, GREAT! Continue to do so!
If you don't like, that's fine too! Just means that your tastes are different (and you probably think Joe Quesada eats babies).
~W~
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Post by uberwolf on Sept 7, 2007 21:23:43 GMT -5
You're not! If you like it, GREAT! Continue to do so! If you don't like, that's fine too! Just means that your tastes are different (and you probably think Joe Quesada eats babies). ~W~ Exactly! I wish I could like the current comics. I really do. You have to admit though, some of the writing is getting pretty strange, well, some of the art too. I think it comes down to older people like to nitpick too. God knows I've read some horrible comics in my time, and kept on buying them...coughForceworkscough... |
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Post by thew40 on Sept 7, 2007 21:28:03 GMT -5
The art is pretty terrible, I'll grant you that. The writing is pretty good, IMO. It's just different than the regular ol' Avengers.
~W~
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Post by uberwolf on Sept 7, 2007 21:46:29 GMT -5
I think the biggest thing I do not like about NA is the fact they never ever seemed like a team to me. Sure you had some of the original Avengers but all these guys (BENDIS! fav's) added that have been loners for years and years. Spider Man, Spider Woman, Logan ( sure he's been an X-Man for ever and ever, but since he hit the spotlight, he does what he wants, not so much for the better of any team), Luke Rage... Sentry. A bunch of individuals that really don't trust each other and really don't work as a team should.
Is that idea a bad one? If you're going to do a darker more realistic comic, it's fine. But the entire history of the Avengers has been based on teamwork and trust. And it didn't always appear right away. It took a while for others to trust the Vision, Hawkeye, Wanda and Pietro when they joined. But they earned the respect of their team mates and learned they could count on everybody. It may not have ALWAYS been the case (Dr Druid) but for the most part. Now you have this team that's been together for how long, and they don't seem to be any better off than when they started. Which brings us back to the old argument, call them what you want, but don't call them Avengers.
Oh, and let me say, if you DO like the comic don't let my out dated, old fashioned opinions sway you one bit. Back when I was a Marvel zombie ( and I say that with respect, not disdain ) I would have said "screw you old man " and bought what I wanted to.
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Post by thew40 on Sept 7, 2007 23:17:11 GMT -5
Marvel Zombie!? An insult?! Never! I love being called that!
"New Avengers" is more along the lines of a non-traditional take on the team. Random heroes joining together against a common threat.
I'll be honest when I say that I think this concept would work if it were paired with a more traditional Avengers team. Unfortunately, as good as MA is, it doesn't fill that role.
Idealy, if Mighty Avengers had, say, Joe Casey and Scott Eaton on it rather than Bendis/Cho/Bagley, it would be more old school super-hero action to serve as a counter-balance for the more gritty, underground feel of NA.
~W~
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Post by goldenfist on Sept 8, 2007 19:17:31 GMT -5
Well with Bendis on the book there's no way he'll be off.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 8, 2007 22:14:49 GMT -5
I can say I'm really happy with my decision to drop NA and to not even start with MA. It's been money saved, and while I miss new adventures of the team, I do like living in reprint land. I guess it's whatever makes the consumer/reader/fan happiest...
For those of you who can stomach the changes, more power to you.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 9, 2007 5:26:33 GMT -5
Word. If I want Avengers action, I buy Mighty Avengers. If I want some well written (Godawfully drawn) noir subterfurge hero stuff which isn't Captain America, I get New Avengers. Right now, I want both.  I think I disliked NA more before Civil War, because it felt like a not-Avengers team trying to be an Avengers team. Now I not only have an alternative which *Does* feel like the Avengers, but it feels like Bendis has finally said "Screw it", and NA isn't even trying to be Avengers any more- a very good thing IMO, as it lets the book go it's own way. |
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 10, 2007 13:14:54 GMT -5
MA is better the NA is or was, however it still suffers from the Bendis decompression, where there is little forward movement in one issue, if any.
As for NA well you said it doom "NA isn't even trying to be Avengers anymore" so why in the world is called Avengers. I would be happy to let the book run its own way taking a year to tell one story at best, if it did not fill up a slot on what was once my favorite comic.
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Post by bendisbites on Sept 10, 2007 17:08:12 GMT -5
MA is better the NA is or was, however it still suffers from the Bendis decompression, where there is little forward movement in one issue, if any. As for NA well you said it doom "NA isn't even trying to be Avengers anymore" so why in the world is called Avengers. I would be happy to let the book run its own way taking a year to tell one story at best, if it did not fill up a slot on what was once my favorite comic. well I do appreciate the simplicity of this argument...an exalt for you. |
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Post by thew40 on Sept 10, 2007 20:42:17 GMT -5
To be honest, I'd rather it be called "Secret Avengers." That would be slightly better, I think, than calling it "New Avengers." And it would make more sense too.
~W~
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Post by spiderwasp on Sept 10, 2007 22:26:55 GMT -5
To be honest, I'd rather it be called "Secret Avengers." That would be slightly better, I think, than calling it "New Avengers." And it would make more sense too. ~W~ Hey, we're in agreement. Bring out the marching band. Seriously, I still probably wouldn't buy the book simply because I don't like it, but I would have far less problem with its existence if it were called "Secret Avengers" |
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 11, 2007 7:41:11 GMT -5
Has "Formerly Known as the Avengers" been taken? |
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 11, 2007 8:03:54 GMT -5
To be honest, I'd rather it be called "Secret Avengers." That would be slightly better, I think, than calling it "New Avengers." And it would make more sense too. ~W~ Actually the name Defenders makes more sense, unless you want to say they are avenging Cap. I think of them as more as trying to defend there rights to keep there identity secret and operate independent of the goverment. Secret Defenders, Secret Avengers.. Heck, if marvel still had the rights the name Champions would be the best, as they are championing the right to work independent of the goverment. Any of those work, although Defenders or Champions works best.. It really feels like they are just using the Avengers name for popularity.. Oh well. |
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Post by thew40 on Sept 11, 2007 8:15:11 GMT -5
It really feels like they are just using the Avengers name for popularity.. Oh well. Actually, I think you're closer than you think on this one. If you think about it, the Avengers are dead-center of the MU right now. The spotlight is on them (all three books, that is). Now, that being said, if one of those books were to drop off or change it's name away from being called "Avengers," it may just lose that spotlight. And with the big crossover next year building out of NA, Marvel wouldn't want to risk changing the name. ~W~ |
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 11, 2007 8:50:31 GMT -5
It really feels like they are just using the Avengers name for popularity.. Oh well. Actually, I think you're closer than you think on this one. If you think about it, the Avengers are dead-center of the MU right now. The spotlight is on them (all three books, that is). Now, that being said, if one of those books were to drop off or change it's name away from being called "Avengers," it may just lose that spotlight. And with the big crossover next year building out of NA, Marvel wouldn't want to risk changing the name. ~W~ Oh I understand it is good business, if you change the name you risk lossing sales, from people who buy it because it has the name Avengers on it, and yes there are people like that. However, from a logicaly standpoint the title has as little to do with the Avengers name now. To the point where it makes little sense for them to be called that. Oh well, it is all about the green. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 11, 2007 10:33:51 GMT -5
Yu's upcoming departure from the book gives me yet *ANOTHER* reason to enjoy this.  |
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Post by thew40 on Sept 11, 2007 13:16:38 GMT -5
Yu's upcoming departure from the book gives me yet *ANOTHER* reason to enjoy this. Except that he's heading over to "Secret Invasion."  ~W~ |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 11, 2007 14:20:55 GMT -5
True but better 8 issues of that then *GONE* than a potentially limitless number of issues on Marvel's flagship ongoing.
Granted it won't BE the flagship title by then, FF will, but still.
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 11, 2007 14:39:28 GMT -5
True but better 8 issues of that then *GONE* than a potentially limitless number of issues on Marvel's flagship ongoing. Granted it won't BE the flagship title by then, FF will, but still. Well we agree on this part at least doom. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 11, 2007 15:04:26 GMT -5
True but better 8 issues of that then *GONE* than a potentially limitless number of issues on Marvel's flagship ongoing. Granted it won't BE the flagship title by then, FF will, but still. Well we agree on this part at least doom. This is happening more and more these days. We really must stop agreeing like this BK, people will talk  |
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 11, 2007 15:18:08 GMT -5
Well we agree on this part at least doom. This is happening more and more these days. We really must stop agreeing like this BK, people will talk Well I have found that when people stop making knee jerk reactins, that everyone find some common ground. You like Bendis, I don't, but we both don't like Yu. |
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Sept 11, 2007 16:16:32 GMT -5
My friend doesn't like Yu either ... Hold that light saber!
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Post by goldenfist on Sept 13, 2007 8:04:44 GMT -5
Yu will be off New Avengers after issue #37, He's going to work
on the Secret Invasion story.
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