New Avengers #33 and #34 covers

[goldenfist]

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New Avengers #33

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New Avengers #34

While the cover to #34 is the weirdest cover, #33 will have the
New Avengers fight the Hood and Deathlock is in the issue.

Post what you think about these covers.

[redstatecap]

goldenfist said:

Post what you think about these covers.

I think if you handed the pencilling chores to a chimpanze I'd like the results better.

RSC

[uberwolf]

redstatecap said:

goldenfist said:

Post what you think about these covers.

I think if you handed the pencilling chores to a chimpanze I'd like the results better.

RSC

or even a tree sloth

[balok]

Either one of those, but with epilepsy.

[Bored Yesterday]

I got New Avengers 33 for 99 cents in a discount bin. I thought I'd read it just to kind of catch up on things, maybe as a prelude to picking it up regularly again.

Man alive -- these characters are a bunch of petty nincampoops.

I read a few pages, but it was really quite tedious. I found the pacing to be too slow, maybe just for my mood.

[von Bek]

Just read New Avengers 34 so if you´re planning to read that piece of crap, be warned -- SPOILERS ahead.




OK, the first 1/3 of the issue is the usual BENDIS! soft porn, and all of a sudden Doctor Strange has yet another spell to detect who´s a Skrull, because Jassica Jones thinks Cage is suspicious he may be the father of a half Skrull, and then some BENDIS! pseudo pop psychology about Cage´s feelings of inadequacy in the role of father/husband, and so on - yadda, yadda, yadda. With lots of #$@%¨&*()*#!! BENDIS! likes to curse.
But the part that I really didn´t understand is that the spell shows who the person really is - not what he/she/it is pretending or wanting to be, but the inner truth or some non-sense like that. Wolverine is a Samurai -seemed forced,but anyway - (and he hopes his genitalia grows bigger after being shot - is in the comic, I didn´t make that up. I thought such jokes to be below even BENDIS!), Cage wants his yellow butterfly shirt and silver bandana back, but the really weird part is that deep inside Clint is really Captain America. He doesn´t want to be CA, he is. Deep inside his psyche. WTF??!!

[dlw66]

I have sworn off this title, as I mentioned back around the release of #27 or #28 -- you, sir, have completely justified that decision.

I keep asking, "Can it get any worse?"

What, oh what, is the redeeming quality of this book? Why does it continue to be a hot seller? I'm with Balok -- when in another thread he questioned what the world will be like in 25 years when the folks who are actually liking this kind of "literature" are in positions of authority. God save us all!!

[balok]

You've taken one for the team, von Bek, by reading the book so the rest of us don't have to.

Bendis must have some fairly serious psychological problems, judging by his writing.

[thew40]

dlw66 said:

I have sworn off this title, as I mentioned back around the release of #27 or #28 -- you, sir, have completely justified that decision.

I keep asking, "Can it get any worse?"

What, oh what, is the redeeming quality of this book? Why does it continue to be a hot seller? I'm with Balok -- when in another thread he questioned what the world will be like in 25 years when the folks who are actually liking this kind of "literature" are in positions of authority. God save us all!!

Now, now, Doug . . . I'll make sure you still get your social security check.

And let's not insult those who are reading this, hmmm? Surely, when you were enjoying your hey-days back some 25-30 years ago, people were looking down on you for reading comics. Let us have our time now.

As far as the redeeming quality of the book? I like because for it's underground, heroes-in-hiding feel. I like the Skrull subplot and I like where that's going. I like the rapid fire dialogue. I like that Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Doctor Strange, and Spider-Woman are right in the center spotlight of the MU right now.

I don't like Wolverine shot in the dong, but I suppose it makes sense in terms of going for vulnerabilities. It's stupid, mind you, but . . . strategically, it makes sense. And I certainly wouldn't say it's soft-core porn.

~W~

[von Bek]

thew40 said:

And let's not insult those who are reading this, hmmm? Surely, when you were enjoying your hey-days back some 25-30 years ago, people were looking down on you for reading comics. Let us have our time now.

Who is preventing you from "having your time now"? Doug, Balok and I are just posting our opinions, what´s the problem with that?

thew40 said:

As far as the redeeming quality of the book? I like because for it's underground, heroes-in-hiding feel.

Sop you would like any book about "underground" heroes, no matter the quality of the writing/art?

thew40 said:

I like that Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Doctor Strange, and Spider-Woman are right in the center spotlight of the MU right now.

Again, why? If you want to defend the book, give the reasons it is so good (for you) instead of just saying "I like this and that".

thew40 said:

I don't like Wolverine shot in the dong, but I suppose it makes sense in terms of going for vulnerabilities. It's stupid, mind you, but . . . strategically, it makes sense. And I certainly wouldn't say it's soft-core porn.

~W~

No, in terms of vulnerabilities it doesn´t make sense, because it would grow back (and Wolerine hopes in extra large size ) anyway. Unless the Hood was worried Wolverine would rape him before he could scape.
And I was talking about the scenes with Doc Strange and Clint and Echo too, when I said it´s soft porn.
And again you missed my point (no surprise here), BENDIS! doesn´t understand those characters, as shown withb the effects of Strange´s spell; Clint isn´t Captain America and Wolverine is no Samurai. And what was the point of Cage in his original outfit? Does BENDIS! miss the late 70s comics? Well that makes two of us...

[von Bek]

balok said:

You've taken one for the team, von Bek, by reading the book so the rest of us don't have to.

Yes, I´m the AA! boards messiah, sacrificing myself so the rest of you doesn´t have to ;D

[dlw66]

thew40 said:

dlw66 said:

What, oh what, is the redeeming quality of this book? Why does it continue to be a hot seller? I'm with Balok -- when in another thread he questioned what the world will be like in 25 years when the folks who are actually liking this kind of "literature" are in positions of authority. God save us all!!

And let's not insult those who are reading this, hmmm? Surely, when you were enjoying your hey-days back some 25-30 years ago, people were looking down on you for reading comics. Let us have our time now.

~W~

I didn't mean to personally insult you, and I guess I really wasn't speaking to New Avengers specifically.

My comment played off of a comment Balok made elsewhere in regard to gratuitous violence and sex, characters being written out-of-character, senseless deaths for shock value, company-wide crossover after company-wide crossover, etc. -- the general state of the comic book industry today. Give me back the 90's fads of multiple covers, foil-embossed covers, less-than-great stories sold in the Prestige Format, etc. Life, in hindsight, wasn't as bad as I'd thought...

[saldawyz]

I recall some Wolverine issues where his samurai training was highlighted. A little-person asian woman kicks the snot outta Logan for about five pages until he "gets it." This was just before bone-claw Wolvie met with new adamantium-laced, better-than-his-healing factor Sabretooth/ Viper (leader of Hydra) is Logans wife discovery.

[bobc]

I stopped posting here for months because I was tired of being so negative--I didn't want to be a drag. But now I realize I love biatching about Bendis. Von bek--just reading that nonsense in your post about Cage's headband and Hawkeye wanting to be CaptainAmerica made me understand why I haven't bought this rag in two years. I can only pray that kids today are buying this rag because of Spiderman and Wolverine--the thought that there might actually be children who enjoy this incoherent drivel because of the writing is something I cannot bear to imagine. Please tell me we aren't raising a generation of airheads

[woodside]

saldawyz said:

I recall some Wolverine issues where his samurai training was highlighted. A little-person asian woman kicks the snot outta Logan for about five pages until he "gets it." This was just before bone-claw Wolvie met with new adamantium-laced, better-than-his-healing factor Sabretooth/ Viper (leader of Hydra) is Logans wife discovery.

Wolverine has had samurai training. It was addressed as recently as the "Origins and Endings" arch of his own title, but has played a part in his life since at least the mid-80s.

As far as Clint wanting to be Captain America, er, I dunno. Perhaps not Cap himself, but kinda like Cap. As for Luke, I think the tiara and yellow shirt represent a time and place where he was loved by the people of Harlem and was a super-hero in his own way -- which he can't be now because of the Registration Act.

[bobc]

oh come on

[von Bek]

Claremont and Miller´s original idea when they introduced aspect of Japanese culture in Wolverine´s mythus was to show a fierce and chaotic character attracted to a culture in which order was a huge factor. I don´t know how later issues of Wolverine and X-Men dealt with that, I stopped reding the X-Men titles around the Paul Smith run...

And ASAIK, Strange´s silly spell showed what the NA really were deep down inside, so Clint is Cap. The mind boggles...

[woodside]

Again, the spell showed a representation of who they are inside. Inside, Clint maybe Cap, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he IS Cap. Simply, that he wants to be Cap, like he looks up to Steve and respects him enough to want to be him. Perhaps it was also a nod to "Fallen Son" and red herring for the "new Cap."

Or maybe Hawkeye is a Skrull and was originally supposed to be Captain America, but instead ended being Hawkeye since Cap came back -- and he's had such intense training that he actually believes himself to be Cap.

[bobc]

Or maybe Bendis just writes increasingly incoherent storylines so he can watch fans on the forums come up with crackpot explanations! I can just see him cackling away, nose sticking out a mile! "oooh now I've got it--next issue I'll make Captain America a transexual who believes he/she is really Galactus, who went through Ninja training so he could go on America's Next Top Model."

[von Bek]

woodside said:

Again, the spell showed a representation of who they are inside. Inside, Clint maybe Cap, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he IS Cap. Simply, that he wants to be Cap, like he looks up to Steve and respects him enough to want to be him. Perhaps it was also a nod to "Fallen Son" and red herring for the "new Cap."

That makes no sense. The spell was supposed to show who they really are (or a representation thereof), not who they wanted to be or to become. But BENDIS! plot makes as little sense as your explanation, so don´t worry.

woodside said:

Or maybe Hawkeye is a Skrull and was originally supposed to be Captain America, but instead ended being Hawkeye since Cap came back -- and he's had such intense training that he actually believes himself to be Cap.

That makes even less sense. Wasn´t the spell cast to discover if one of them was a Skrull in disguise? who the Skrull would be im personating should be irrelevant.

bobc said:

I can just see him cackling away, nose sticking out a mile! "oooh now I've got it--next issue I'll make Captain America a transexual who believes he/she is really Galactus, who went through Ninja training so he could go on America's Next Top Model."

LOL You stand exalted!

[Tana Nile]

Well, Bendis is also the guy who had a flashback showing Cap 'training' Hawkeye by essentially beating him up, kicking him while he was on the ground, and breaking his bow. So I don't know that I'd spend a lot of time pondering his efforts at characterization.

Or reading his books for that matter.

[starfoxxx]

Please tell me we aren't raising a generation of airheads[/quote]bobc

Well, just considering that hip/hop and (gag!) country music has topped the charts in recent years, my opinion is the kids AREN'T alright. And with the popularity of Guitar Hero rather than ACTUALLY learning to PLAY an instrument.... well enough of my rock and roll ranting. ;D

[woodside]

bobc said:

Please tell me we aren't raising a generation of airheads

What exactly are you saying here? That anyone who likes a Bendis comic is an airhead?

That sort of comment is exactly why I stopped posting here in the first place.

[Shiryu]

Easy guys...

[goldenfist]

Nobody here can accept the New Avengers for any reason at all.

[starfoxxx]

I have to admit, the first arc, "the Raft" story was great, and the whole "New Avengers" buzz a few years ago got me interested enough to start collecting comics again. But since "the Raft", New Avengers has been on a serious downward slide. The very lame Sentry arc, Civil War tie-ins (they really only told what had happened in the Civil War title), Luke and Jessica's BORING relationship, and Leinil (F) YOU 's crappy art, I mean, WHAT HAPPENED?

I did like the story where Alpha Flight got killed, though, but moments like that have been few and far between.

[woodside]

Best I can figure, the book is really only telling half a story. Mighty Avengers is telling the other half. Another thing is that's all build-up to "Secret Invasion," which we've seen so much foundation for.

And hey, at least they're fighting bad guys, right?

As for Luke/Jess, I've become a fan of it.

[goldenfist]

HELLO YU IS NOT ON THE BOOK ANYMORE.

[woodside]

goldenfist said:

HELLO YU IS NOT ON THE BOOK ANYMORE.

Chill, dude. He knows.

[goldenfist]

Then why does Yu's name have to be mention if everyone doesn't
like him.