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Post by Van Plexico on Apr 15, 2007 8:21:03 GMT -5
Sorry why? Because Bendis sort of throws this stuff out there and leaves it to we readers to make sense of it?
I swear, he would be so much better writing movies, where the images actually would show you what's happening. He always ends up with artists who can't adequately depict his sort of sophisticated beats and thus confuses us even worse.
For example, I'm sure the page mentioned above ends with something like, "Iron Man starts to leave, then hesitates, wheels back around, and shines his uni-beam light back in the room-- but still doesn't see anything. Resignedly, he leaves."
I got that vibe from the scene, but the way it was drawn, you really couldn't tell.
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Post by Van Plexico on Apr 15, 2007 8:24:36 GMT -5
Wait, wait-- this is NEW AVENGERS we're talking about, right? The same book that had Sentry featured on like twelve covers in a row before he ever appeared in the book, much less finally joined, much less actually went on a mission with the team?
Just making sure we're talking about the same book here.
Thanks, but that would be the work of the Jiminez Bros. I would love to see them doing something for Marvel, and yeah, I like their work way better than this Yu guy's.
Yu has that sort of "Carmine Infantino look" that works well with very hyperkinetic characters like Flash and Nova-- but not a team book with a variety of characters, no.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 15, 2007 14:30:38 GMT -5
OK, give them Yu's job and you take Bendis'
Then there would be less complaining on this site.
Well, maybe not.
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Post by Van Plexico on Apr 15, 2007 16:12:44 GMT -5
They wouldn't want me. I don't write in Bendis's style. I would actually have the Avengers, y'know, fighting villains every now and then.
If you want to read my take on Marvel characters, go to the FanFiction page on the AA! site. Though I think I've come a long way as a writer in the years since I wrote most of that stuff. But I still have a warm place in my heart for most of it.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 15, 2007 17:48:37 GMT -5
They wouldn't want me. I don't write in Bendis's style. I would actually have the Avengers, y'know, fighting villains every now and then. Oh heavens to betsy, we wouldn't want that
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Post by balok on Apr 16, 2007 19:31:37 GMT -5
They wouldn't want me. I don't write in Bendis's style. I would actually have the Avengers, y'know, fighting villains every now and then. You mean, you wouldn't have them spending more of their time tracking down and battling folks who refuse to sign a piece of paper than dealing with folks committing serious crimes?!? Sir, that is NOT the new Marvel way!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 17, 2007 15:14:23 GMT -5
guys and gal, magic DIDN'T beat tech. Look at the page in the issue where Tony is trying to take in Rand. Look closely at his hologram AND read closely what he says.
1st- the hologram IS NOT from the fight they had. It is from Stranges mansion. You can tell because Wong and Jess are both in the hologram, so Tony knew they were there. Maybe he had a reason for not fighting them at that time. The baby, too much potential for damage in a city which was torn up enough. Whatever it is that hologram is from Strange's mansion. 2nd- he says "including last night" they came to Stranges house at the beginning of the night. You can tell it's dusk just before the New Avenger teleport back from the battle and it is night when the Mighty arrive a little while later.
Tony has info on them at the mansion. That's why he came back.
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Post by balok on Apr 17, 2007 15:34:42 GMT -5
So the Mighty Avengers actually tried to beard Doctor Strange in his sanctum? Wow. That took giant sized... courage.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 17, 2007 15:37:01 GMT -5
I think THAT might be one of the reasons Stark didn't instigat a fight. He was smart enough to know that would be a huuuuuge mistake.
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Post by balok on Apr 27, 2007 18:26:24 GMT -5
Okay, I finally understand what's going on at the end. Evidently, the Mighty Avengers, or at least Cap and Ms. Marvel, visit Danny Rand at Rand Industries to get him to register - and get pwned by Jeryn Hogarth (Rand's attorney) - this is whose hair glue Ms. Marvel hopes makes him impotent.
Iron Man comes off looking rather foolish - you have to wonder that Tony Stark didn't bring a lawyer from either the government or his own corporation. And Ms. Marvel looks like a petulant infant.
I'm almost sorry I didn't buy the issue!
Almost.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 18:59:59 GMT -5
for me that scene is pretty good. Tony is playing the role of policeman, and Rands lawyer fully realizes that. So when Stark starts throwing around legal threats the lawyer very calmly counters them.
I'm glad someone is challenging the legal validity of these laws and the enforcement thereof.
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 27, 2007 19:44:32 GMT -5
for me that scene is pretty good. Tony is playing the role of policeman, and Rands lawyer fully realizes that. So when Stark starts throwing around legal threats the lawyer very calmly counters them. I'm glad someone is challenging the legal validity of these laws and the enforcement thereof. That's something we should have seen from the very beginning. The only battlefield that really matters is the courtroom. I would have liked to have seen Cap, right after he bailed out of the Heli-carrier, go to a news outlet, CNN, NBC, whoever, and ask to get some on air time to explain why he opposed registration. Then, he could take it to court. Of course, this is not nearly so exciting to most people as Cap leading an army of super heroes to beat up another army of super heroes. But if Marvel is going for realism, that would have been the way to do it. Besides, they could have had someone else lead the Anti-Reg forces. Granted, nobody has quite the stature among heroes as Cap, but perhaps by leading such a group, they could have elevated a B-lister to prominence.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 20:35:54 GMT -5
Marvel. as written by C-Span
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 28, 2007 0:12:39 GMT -5
Marvel. as written by C-Span Oh, , Mr. Smarty-pants! But seriously, Cap is/was a smart man. He should have known the only way to defeat the Act was in court. Granted, it is a comic and fights are required (unless you are Bendis or Meltzer...but I'll let that go). But there should have been some effort made to show that Cap was trying to make his point with words too, not just actions. But what's done is done.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 28, 2007 0:13:34 GMT -5
for me that scene is pretty good. Tony is playing the role of policeman, and Rands lawyer fully realizes that. So when Stark starts throwing around legal threats the lawyer very calmly counters them. I'm glad someone is challenging the legal validity of these laws and the enforcement thereof. That's something we should have seen from the very beginning. The only battlefield that really matters is the courtroom. I would have liked to have seen Cap, right after he bailed out of the Heli-carrier, go to a news outlet, CNN, NBC, whoever, and ask to get some on air time to explain why he opposed registration. Then, he could take it to court. Of course, this is not nearly so exciting to most people as Cap leading an army of super heroes to beat up another army of super heroes. But if Marvel is going for realism, that would have been the way to do it. Besides, they could have had someone else lead the Anti-Reg forces. Granted, nobody has quite the stature among heroes as Cap, but perhaps by leading such a group, they could have elevated a B-lister to prominence. Then, the 2 most important CW players would have been Matt Murdock & She-Hulk....
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 28, 2007 14:31:23 GMT -5
I was picking Tana, but I completely agree with you . Not only do I think that's what Cap should have done, but I also think that is precisely what a properly written Cap would have done.
He would've landed just outside of NBC studios, did his bit , then left with the officers. Of course the Civil War would've been a one shot book then. But oh well.
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Post by balok on Apr 28, 2007 15:48:54 GMT -5
He would've landed just outside of NBC studios, did his bit , then left with the officers. Of course the Civil War would've been a one shot book then. But oh well. In addition, they would have to write about the legal challenge, and that's not good comic book writing, plus, under constitutional challenge the act should be overturned, which would make it moot. I suspect the act will eventually be overturned, but it will take another Event to do it - perhaps an Event orchestrated by Mr. Quesada's successor.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 29, 2007 3:11:56 GMT -5
He would've landed just outside of NBC studios, did his bit , then left with the officers. Of course the Civil War would've been a one shot book then. But oh well. In addition, they would have to write about the legal challenge, and that's not good comic book writing, plus, under constitutional challenge the act should be overturned, which would make it moot. I suspect the act will eventually be overturned, but it will take another Event to do it - perhaps an Event orchestrated by Mr. Quesada's successor. Well, perhaps if you'd get whoever writes She-Hulk & partner him with a couple of writers from "Law & Order"...
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 29, 2007 14:03:02 GMT -5
Okay, I finally understand what's going on at the end. Evidently, the Mighty Avengers, or at least Cap and Ms. Marvel, visit Danny Rand at Rand Industries to get him to register - and get pwned by Jeryn Hogarth (Rand's attorney) - this is whose hair glue Ms. Marvel hopes makes him impotent. Cap?Also, what is this word pwned I keep seeing? Is it from Welsh?
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 29, 2007 14:50:10 GMT -5
he left out the 'A' he meant pawned. He's acrually going to sell Iron Man for a little week-end cash.
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Post by balok on Apr 29, 2007 21:27:29 GMT -5
Also, what is this word pwned I keep seeing? Is it from Welsh? It refers not just to defeat, but to ignominous defeat that frustrates the loser. Here, wikipedia can do a better job than I can explaining it. I've heard at least five different origins for the word. And that should have said "Iron Man" and not "Cap." Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by redstatecap on Apr 29, 2007 23:34:08 GMT -5
I've read elsewhere that Marvel's "Big Event" of 2008 comes directly out of this New Avengers arc. Could it be..."World War Ninja?"
RSC
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Post by balok on Apr 30, 2007 19:42:17 GMT -5
Bendis: See, this war will be fought entirely by ninjas! 'Cause they're kewl!! Joe Q: He has got to change the record! Okay, Bri, tell me more. Bendis: There will be anti-registration ninjas, hired by the New Avengers. They'll be dressed in black. And Tony will respond by hiring his own ninjas, who you'll be able to tell 'cause they're dressed in black! Joe Q: Is he fracking kidding? Bri, buddy... how do you tell them apart when they're both dressed in black?!? Bendis: Ummm... I'll have to think about that. But they have to be dressed in black, 'cause that makes them kewl! Joe Q: Okay, okay, every idea has a few rough edges that we have to knock off during production. This idea's gonna take the editorial equivalent of a jackhammer and nitroglycerine. Go on, I'd like to hear more. Bendis: Well, the two teams will fight, but because they're so stealthy, we won't show that happening. Kinda like when I killed Alpha Flight off panel in New Avengers! Joe Q: Yeah, I've hated Alpha Flight since, like, forever, so that was cool. But if we don't show the fights, how will we know what's happening? God help me, the man's persuading me again. It's like slowing down to look at a car wreck, when you know inside you really don't want to see the bodies. How does he do it? Bendis: Well, the characters will be able to see the ninjas - some of them - 'cause they've got, like, X-Ray vision and stuff. Joe Q: Bri, that's Superman. He belongs to the Other Guys - the folks we hate 'cause they still tell stories about heroes instead of gritty, unpleasant dystopias. Remember? Bendis: Man, he's shackling my creativity. Well, we could kind of gloss over how the characters know. Modern readers don't care about plot or characterization - you've got the sales of Civil War to prove it! Whew! Didn't think I'd wriggle out of that one for a minute, there. Joe Q: I was wondering how he was going to wriggle out of that one... Okay. How many issues do you think we can get for the main book? How many tie-in issues? Bendis: Issues? Main book?!? I just told you, THEY'RE NINJAS! THEY'RE STEALTHY!! YOU DON'T SEE THEM! WE'LL JUST... Joe Q: Ah, God, where's my vodka and aspirin?!? Bri... BRI!! Okay, first, use your inside voice. This is an office, not a stadium. Second... you DO remember we're in the business of selling books, right?!? Bendis: d**n, he's shackling my creativity, again... Uhhh, I figured we'll just have the characters in the book talk about all the fighting, without actually showing any. I mean, hasn't New Avengers convinced you that modern fans really like that kind of storytelling? Joe Q: Well, he's not wrong about that... fans must like that, 'cause sales are up and my options are golden! ... Man, I gotta get rid of that creepy thing. I hate the way it seems to stare at me. Okay, okay... we'll give your idea a try. Go get some of the other creators together and plan a retreat, where we'll... uh, oh, there goes Brubaker. He's seen us in here together and he's heading for the elevators! {Bzzzzt!} This is Big J. Lockdown in effect, I repeat, lockdown in effect! Security Man: Yessir! Right away, sir! Geez, what's with the corny lingo? Is it Brubaker again? Joe Q: Yes. And we still need him alive, so just use the tasers and pepper spray! Security Man: Right! Joe Q: Bri, you're the point man on this! I see editor in your future, and a nice pay raise! Oh, and take this out to the dumpster when you go... Bendis: A Stan Lee bobblehead?!? Joe Q: Yeah. Creepy thing seems to stare at me all the time. Now get to work!
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Post by Doctor Bong on May 1, 2007 0:52:20 GMT -5
Okay, Balok: fess up...! How & when did you wire tap Joe's office...?
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Post by balok on May 1, 2007 19:23:55 GMT -5
Okay, Balok: fess up...! How & when did you wire tap Joe's office...? Oh, you know, people talk... word gets around... you hear things.
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Post by Doctor Doom on May 2, 2007 11:28:19 GMT -5
Had to narrow down one part.
Would these be the same "Other guys" who transformed Black Adam from brooding anti-hero to guy who punches a hole through children?
The ones who were responsible for more occuring in one week than every Marvel event of the last few years put together?
The one who feel a need to open every event with a death and are doing so with Countdown?
The ones who told stories about "Heroes" like when Wonder Woman executed a man on live TV?
The ones who told stories about "Heroes" like when Batman build a giant spy sattelite which went mad and released insane robots who hunted down metahumans and visually gutted them?
The ones who had an entire event revolve around the brutal rape of a woman who was then burnt to death?
Tthe ones who had their main super hero team MIND WIPE countless opponents and change their personalities? And them mind wiped one of their own premier members?
...Okay, just checking we're onthe same level here.
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Post by imperiusrex on May 2, 2007 12:04:31 GMT -5
Hurm. Well I liked it. And I'd rather see Black Adam who was pretty evil to start with, go back to being all out evil, than see Iron Man who was pretty good to start with turn fairly reprehensible...
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Post by Nutcase65 on May 2, 2007 19:23:45 GMT -5
but we need ninjas, don't we? Aren't they like bacteria that keep our bloodsteams clean?
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Post by redstatecap on May 2, 2007 23:55:16 GMT -5
Wait...those ninja monks that just resurrected Echo. The New Avengers hear about their existance, and...
Spider-Woman: "Too bad we couldn't do anything for Cap." Echo: "Cap?" Spider-Woman: "He's dead." Echo: "Dead?" Spider-Man: "Dead as a doornail!" Cage: "So, you were dead too, right?" Echo: "As a doornail!" Cage: "Like dead, dead?" Echo : "Yep." Cage: "Huh." Spider-Man: "You know..." Cage: "But you're here now!" Echo: "Of course I'm here!" Cage: "No, I mean here, alive!" Echo: "Obviously." Spider-Man: "How did you...ehrm..." Echo: "What?" Spider-Man: "You know!" Echo: "The alive thing?" Cage: "The alive thing!" Echo: "There were these monks..." Iron Fist: "Ninja monks?" Echo: "I didn't ask questions." Iron Fist: "Maybe you shoulda!" Echo: "Anyways, these monks, they chanted and stuff..." Cage: "Like rap music?" Dr. Strange: "Rap! Oy!" Echo: "...so they chanted and I woke up..." Spider-Man: "...and you were alive again." Echo: "Live and kicking." Ronin: "Heavy stuff, man." Spider-Woman: "That's it! These monks!" Cage: "What about 'em?" Spider-Woman: "Where are they?" Echo: "Japan." Iron Fist: "I like Japan." Spider-Woman: "We find them and..." Cage: "...Kick their butts!" Ronin: "Yeah!" Spider-Woman: "No! Don't you see?" Cage: "See what?" Spider-Man: "I do! Cap..." Cage: "He's dead." Spider-Woman: "No, I mean...the monks...we..." Cage: "The monks in Japan?" Iron Fist: "Yeah, Japan." Spider-woman: "These monks raised Echo!" Cage: "And?" Spider-Woman: "And??? AND!?!?!" Cage: "Ain't these monks in Japan?" Spider-Woman: "Yeah." Cage: "And ain't Cap dead?" Spider-Woman: "Yeah." Spider-Man: "Dead as a doornail." Cage: "Then how is Cap gonna get to Japan?" Dr. Strange: "Oy!"
The End
An issue of New Avengers written "In the Bendis Style" by your friendly neighborhood RSC.
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Post by Doctor Bong on May 3, 2007 0:31:05 GMT -5
And yours would still be an improvement, RSC... ;D I'd much rather pay you for that than to pay the (character) Bender for the drivel he writes over at NA...
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