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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 20, 2007 23:26:19 GMT -5
Now, Balok, what Nutcase says is true: there's been a number of occasions in the past when Herc has handed Ares his can... Remember, there's even been instances of Thor & Hercules battling each other & it was never shown to be easy for Thor to gain the upper hand... I would even daresay the only reason he has done so in the past is Mjolnir, which is a tough mother of a stalemate breaker... Now, I'm not sure how closely Marvel's Herc follows the mythological Hercules on this, but the Hercules of Myth, while dying, ordered a pyre to be built & threw himself into it, perishing as a mortal but at the selfsame time being reborn as a full-fledged Olympian immortal, the fire having purified the mortal elements from his being and, as such, Zeus offered him the hand of a goddess & a permanent place in Olympus, among the other gods... But even before this took place, he was known to engage some gods directly in combat (as far as I can recall, the only mortal ever to dare doing so in Greek Mythology) & even best titans & giants...!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 21, 2007 6:45:53 GMT -5
plus whether the character wins or loses doesn't depend on the characters abilities or powers anymore. It dependes on the whims of the writer.
In this cse the writer would be me.
To quote Night Phantom
BWA HA HA HA
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Post by balok on Apr 21, 2007 21:35:58 GMT -5
I was not aware of that aspect of the myth. I guess if he purged his mortal parts then he's a full fledged god, and since his portfolio is chiefly strength, I'd guess he'd have to be physically stronger than other gods (possibly excepting Haephestus, since blacksmiths are also prodigiously strong).
Ares would be his master in strategy and tactics, however, as these fall under his portfolio.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 21, 2007 21:40:11 GMT -5
You know, that is a good point. However, everytime you see him in the Avengers the writers, whoever they are, and even now, always only seem to focus on his bloodthirstyness. As god of War tactics would be something that would be his forte. They never have been in the book though. So going by his Marvel history so far he doesn't seem to try to utilize tactics, thus he gets beaten repeatedly.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 22, 2007 1:39:48 GMT -5
Maybe he considers them petty parlor tricks & he cares not for them...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 22, 2007 5:09:03 GMT -5
that would be Doom. Don't tell me you know think Doom and Ares are the same person Bong.
Y'know I know I'm not Doom, maybe Bong and Doom are the same,... hmmmmmmm.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 22, 2007 6:20:13 GMT -5
that would be Doom. Don't tell me you know think Doom and Ares are the same person Bong. Y'know I know I'm not Doom, maybe Bong and Doom are the same,... hmmmmmmm. Gee... ;D Maybe we 3 are ALL aspects of a Multiple Personality disorder...?
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 22, 2007 12:25:19 GMT -5
Regarding Ares, although he is a war god, Athena is also a Greek war god. One wasn't enough for the Greeks! But the distinctions are plain. Athena, also being the goddess of wisdom, is more of a rational war god, thus I would assume she is the master of strategy. Ares' particular dominion appears to be over violence and bloodshed. So he may not be the greatest strategist, although centuries of experience should at least make him difficult to surprise.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 22, 2007 12:29:19 GMT -5
plus whether the character wins or loses doesn't depend on the characters abilities or powers anymore. It dependes on the whims of the writer. I would say in the best stories, it always should. That's a stupid comment from an intelligent poster. If it always depended on their abilities or powers, every hero would be dead ten times over.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 22, 2007 13:33:35 GMT -5
plus whether the character wins or loses doesn't depend on the characters abilities or powers anymore. It dependes on the whims of the writer. I would say in the best stories, it always should. That's a stupid comment from an intelligent poster. If it always depended on their abilities or powers, every hero would be dead ten times over. Doom, this was a singular post about a specific silly story posted earlier in the thread. Maybe do some looking back before calling someone stupid, it sorta makes you come off stupid. Unless that was your intent, then mission accomplished.
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Post by von Bek on Apr 24, 2007 15:51:48 GMT -5
Worst Possible Team: Clor, Girltron, Echo as Ronin, Echo as Echo, Ronin as The Mysterious Person, Ares
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 24, 2007 15:54:26 GMT -5
Man VB, A team where the only person who know who they are is Ares. That's one confused team.
They'd need to have access to wasps clost as well. That way they could all keep changing uniforms all day
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Post by von Bek on Apr 24, 2007 15:57:36 GMT -5
Maybe they can put Girltron inside the Ronin man-suit. So we would have Tony Stark inside Girltron inside man-suit Ronin. It would be like those Russian dolls...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 24, 2007 16:45:23 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA ;D
now, at your local toys are us, Nesting Avengers
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Post by Alchemist-X on Apr 24, 2007 23:00:28 GMT -5
How about Marvel fields a team of:
MoonDragon Jack of Hearts Echo and Triathalon
makes the current team look ok
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Post by Crimson Cowl on Apr 27, 2007 16:24:19 GMT -5
This should be fun.
Here's one of people who've actually been Avengers:
D-Man (team leader) US Agent Dr Druid Falcon Starfox Tigra War Machine Thunderstrike Magdalene Deathcry Moon Knight Mantis Living Lightning Spider Woman II Hellcat Gilgamesh Justice Rage Firestar Wolverine Spider Man Jack of Hearts Ares Quasar
You could even have a West Coast team with that lot.
Here's some 'ideal' new recruits to do the whole 'old order changeth' schtick with:
Paladin Captain Universe Gargoyle Gambit Jubilee Luke Cage Aquarian Psylocke (Japanese version of course) Dr. Doom, who's been pursuing a secretly heroic agenda all along. Nomad Siryn Namorita Punisher Blade Daredevil once his book's cancelled and they want to just bung the character somewhere. As many more mutants as possible and bring Mar-Vell back from the dead.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 29, 2007 3:05:04 GMT -5
1) Spider-Man: one of the greatest solo superheroes, NOT good as a long-term team player... 2) Doctor Strange: he's the leader of the Defenders!!! He lives an alternate heroic lifestyle... 3) Luke Cage: keep him at Marvel Knights...!!! 4) Iron Fist: same deal... keep him partnering with Luke... 5) Wolverine: overexposed and, while there might be situations where it's understandable even an Avenger could kill, it is definitely not okay for them to have him as a member, for he has too much of a cavalier attitude towards killing... 6) Ares: the god of war & bloodletting has no place among Earth's Mightiest HEROES... 7) Sentry: the power of a million suns, the personality of a doormat; dull as ditch-water... 8) Ronin: whoever the heck is inside the suit, this man (?) of mystery is one enigma nobody cares to crack...
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Post by Nutcase65 on May 3, 2007 16:40:51 GMT -5
2) Doctor Strange: he's the leader of the Defenders!!! He lives an alternate heroic lifestyle... not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Post by Alchemist-X on May 3, 2007 17:36:21 GMT -5
1) Spider-Man: one of the greatest solo superheroes, NOT good as a long-term team player... 2) Doctor Strange: he's the leader of the Defenders!!! He lives an alternate heroic lifestyle... 3) Luke Cage: keep him at Marvel Knights...!!! 4) Iron Fist: same deal... keep him partnering with Luke... 5) Wolverine: overexposed and, while there might be situations where it's understandable even an Avenger could kill, it is definitely not okay for them to have him as a member, for he has too much of a cavalier attitude towards killing... 6) Ares: the god of war & bloodletting has no place among Earth's Mightiest HEROES... 7) Sentry: the power of a million suns, the personality of a doormat; dull as ditch-water... 8) Ronin: whoever the heck is inside the suit, this man (?) of mystery is one enigma nobody cares to crack... 1) Spiderman - considering all the team ups over the years, finally being a team player isn't that much of a leap 2) Dr Strange - Reed Richards was the leader of the Fantastic 4 and an Avenger too 3)Luke Cage & Iron fist don't strike me as very good fits for so many reasons 5) Wolverine - overexposed and how 6)Ares - well he's been fun to watch so far, mostly because he isn't a good fit 7)Sentry - He does have the mighty part down 8)Ronin - it was only interesting who was under the mask hte first time
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