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Post by Doctor Bong on Aug 12, 2006 21:32:11 GMT -5
I was just thinking that it might be fun to try to come up with the worst conceivable line-up for the Avengers (sorry, Bendis' team is not allowed...!!!) Of course, on the other hand, there's the theory of comic book writing which states that there are no bad characters, only bad writers... Even so, I present my candidates: U.S. Agent (leader), the She-Thing (or Ms. Marvel or whatever Sharon Ventura's calling herself now, as deputy leader), Cupid (the olympian god), Dusk (formerly from Slingers), Mr. Immortal, Stingray & the Texas Twister!
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Post by Doctor Bong on Aug 12, 2006 21:33:59 GMT -5
Oh, and I forgot: as reservists, the Impossible Man & Howard the Duck!
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Post by asgardian on Aug 12, 2006 22:47:29 GMT -5
Giving that team Mr. Immortal and the Impossible Man is being too generous.
Try this:
Deathcry
Dr. Druid
Darkhawk
Squirrel Girl
Rage
Mockingbird
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Post by Doctor Bong on Aug 12, 2006 22:56:48 GMT -5
Think Rage might be jealous of Cage's "success" in the Avengers...? Interestingly, he probably did more during his brief tenure with them than Cage has done so far... To wit, he was crucial in defeating Dr. Doom back when he invaded Avengers Headquarters...
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Post by spiderwasp on Aug 13, 2006 16:02:26 GMT -5
Try this on for size: Dr. Druid (Leader) Moondragon USAgent Century Deathcry Gilgamesh Ares (Oh, sorry. That's probably too ridiculous. Nobody would EVER actually consider putting him on an Avengers team)
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Post by Doctor Bong on Aug 13, 2006 17:46:26 GMT -5
It seems to me, if we would take a poll, Deathcry could well be the most popular non-favorite... Does anyone recalls if Gilgamesh ever did a d**n thing worthy of being remembered as an Avenger...? Can anyone tell me which member has the record for shortest time of service as an active Avenger?
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Post by dlw66 on Aug 14, 2006 11:34:41 GMT -5
Jack of Hearts, while not a bad character, was poorly done (very one-dimensional with all the anger, etc.) before his demise.
Tigra doesn't do much for me, either.
And I'll be honest, Wonder Man is a character that either a writer nails or he doesn't. There have been some high moments but certainly some low.
But to answer the question, asgardian comes pretty close to what I would consider a Hall of Shame.
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Post by redstatecap on Aug 14, 2006 12:07:56 GMT -5
"Man-suit Ronin" -- the team cross-dresser Silverclaw -- the team's touristy-Indian jewelry store Triathlon -- the team's angry black guy Gilgamesh -- the team's generic strongman Jack of Hearts -- the teams's refugee from Alice-in-Wonderland Wolverine -- the team's cash flow Crazy Wanda -- not Sane Wanda, but the other one that appeared out of nowhere during AD. She'd be the team deus-ex-machina.
RSC
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Post by dlw66 on Aug 14, 2006 13:02:30 GMT -5
The team's cash flow...
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Post by bobc on Aug 14, 2006 13:32:26 GMT -5
I want a whole team comprised completely by Duo Damsel. With Triplicate Lass on reserve.
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Post by bobc on Aug 14, 2006 13:34:00 GMT -5
The first new recruit after Duo Damsel's gotten her butt kicked a few times will be Matter Eater Ladd.
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Post by dlw66 on Aug 14, 2006 13:34:01 GMT -5
My son, who will be a freshman, collects Avengers and X-Men Marvel Legends figures (as do I). He asked me this marketing question a couple of days ago:
"Dad, do you think a box set of Madrox the Multiple Man would sell?"
He needs to take my economics class...
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Post by bobc on Aug 14, 2006 13:47:14 GMT -5
I'm giving Bendis a run for his money as far as bad team choices are concerned.
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Post by dlw66 on Aug 14, 2006 15:14:27 GMT -5
G'Nort
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Post by The Night Phantom on Aug 15, 2006 16:15:17 GMT -5
Does anyone recalls if Gilgamesh ever did a d**n thing worthy of being remembered as an Avenger...? He’s not called the Forgotten One for nothing! That’s difficult to pin down. Several members have never served as active Avengers—so, depending on your point of view, they jointly hold the record. For example, Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) was made an honorary member posthumously. But I think most honorary Avengers have participated in Avengers matters after being named honorary members—would such participation count as being “active” (even if not in the official sense)? For example, Rick Jones was an honorary member from the beginning, and he did serve actively over the first couple of (real-time) years. Perhaps the classic example of nonservice by an active Avenger is the Thing. After hanging out with the West Coast team a while, he agreed to join the Wackos, but—due to events depicted in his own folding series—he was AWOL for the induction ceremony and had to be written off. He’s been with the FF most of the time since. Although he’s responded to the occasional Avengers call, he’s never rejoined.
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Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
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Post by Ultron on Aug 15, 2006 17:00:44 GMT -5
Why dream about it when it's on the stands every month?
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Post by Doctor Bong on Aug 15, 2006 18:22:01 GMT -5
Well, to be more precise, I meant regular (non-honorary or only reservists) members... When Rick Jones was joined with the 2nd Cap. Marvel, I kept hoping the Avengers would make them active members... I used to think it would have been a nice nod to the past and all the times Rick wished to really become one of them (and, besides, according to Avengers Forever, it was supposed to happen, at least in some realities). I just thought it would have been a nice bone to throw to Rick, after all his years of loyalty to the team. Unfortunately, since Genis-Vell's dead... from my point of view, even though I love many things about the current Thunderbolts run, yet ANOTHER of those senseless deaths which Marvel seems to delight these days to present us with... it looks like I'll never get to see that day come.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Aug 15, 2006 21:19:23 GMT -5
Well, to be more precise, I meant regular (non-honorary or only reservists) members... Then the Thing, who never served while active, might be the recordholder. There was a gap of less than a week in Marvel time (over WCA #9–10) between his accepting membership and his bowing out. However, I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that some other flash-in-the-pan (Ronin?) depicted as serving over multiple issues might have spent a shorter span of Marvel time on the active roster.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Aug 16, 2006 5:16:53 GMT -5
Boy, was I remiss. There’s one Avenger whose active period was so short (just a few hours, I think) that it began and ended in a single issue, which wasn’t even an Avengers comic per se. Of course I’m talking about Demolition Man in Captain America #349.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Aug 16, 2006 17:45:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, Night Phantom... I dunno, at first, like I suppose pretty much everyone else, I thought D-Man was a little (a lot)... well, lame, especially 'cause of his uniform... however, over time, especially after the beginning arc of Avengers, Vol. 3, he kinda grew on me... I noticed none of the people that send their lists mentioned him, either.
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daned
Probationary Avenger
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Post by daned on Aug 18, 2006 5:56:30 GMT -5
Going back a bit BB (Before Bendis - or BBFIU - figure out the FIU yourself) Spiderman would have to have the shortest run. Cap asked him to join, he saved the universe then quit after feeling ovverwhelmed, all in less than an hour or two.
Worst team -
Wolverine (leader) Gambit Cyclops Havoc That wolf chick a reformed Magneto
Hang on, that looks familiar
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Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
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Post by Ultron on Aug 18, 2006 9:20:35 GMT -5
Going back a bit BB (Before Bendis - or BBFIU - figure out the FIU yourself) Man, two posts, and he's already tellings us to go FIU ourselves.
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Post by spiderwasp on Sept 9, 2006 21:34:47 GMT -5
Another contender for shortest time served would be Sandman. He became a reserve Avenger but actually quit in an issue of Spider-man before actually doing a darn thing.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 13, 2006 14:27:43 GMT -5
He helped a wee bit on the first 4 issues of Avengers v#3 (weeel, "helped" on Morgan's side ^^), but then in Byrne's (IMO awful) run on Spidey he became a villain again. Still I agree, he hasn't done anything in over 100 issues really.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 20, 2007 20:49:03 GMT -5
Moondragon (leader) Dr. Druid (leader) Jocasta Mantis Ares Gilgamesh The team would fall apart by page 3 Moondragon and Dr. Druid would get into an immediate fight over leadership and hopefully burn each others brainpans out. Jocasta would wander around whining about how nobody loves her. Mantis would confuse people who came to Avengers Mansion for help by constantly talking in the third person. Ares and Gilgamesh would get into a fight over who was more manly destroying the enrie facility killing the others and then beating each other to death in the process. If we were lucky. I'd actually buy the three page issue just to see that happen
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Post by thew40 on Apr 20, 2007 22:23:14 GMT -5
The worst "possible" team?
Well, that would be Howard the Duck, Deadpool, Fing Fang Foom, Gilgamesh, and US Agent!
~W~
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 20, 2007 22:52:20 GMT -5
Moondragon (leader) Dr. Druid (leader) Jocasta Mantis Ares Gilgamesh The team would fall apart by page 3 Moondragon and Dr. Druid would get into an immediate fight over leadership and hopefully burn each others brainpans out. Jocasta would wander around whining about how nobody loves her. Mantis would confuse people who came to Avengers Mansion for help by constantly talking in the third person. Ares and Gilgamesh would get into a fight over who was more manly destroying the enrie facility killing the others and then beating each other to death in the process. If we were lucky. I'd actually buy the three page issue just to see that happen I would really, REALLY, REAAAAAAAAALLY...!!! like to read something along the lines of say... Hercules coming back to the Avengers, finding Ares there & proceeding to administer an old-fashioned, sound, righteous Olympian trashing to him...! Remember: during his last mini, he already got mad at them when he visited the Tower & found they had made Wolverine an Avenger & nobody had bothered to give him a call first... Imagine his wrath (and jealousy...) should he find now ARES is an Avenger...!!! I say he would snap...!!! Yea, verily ... Go, Herc, go...!!! I say: let Herc take care of the Olympian jerk...!!!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 20, 2007 22:56:51 GMT -5
Just for you, Bong, I change the end of my story. Ares just barely survives the clash with the now comatose Gilgamesh and struggles free of the ruins of Stark tower. He lloks up to see Hercules standing there looking down upon him. His final utterance
of course
"Oy"
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Post by balok on Apr 20, 2007 23:03:16 GMT -5
You might like to see it, but since Ares is a full god (the son of Zeus and Hera) and Hercules only a half god (Zeus and a mortal woman, Alcene), I doubt you would. Properly written, Ares should be *much* tougher than his half (in both senses of the world) brother.
Now, Ares vs. Thor...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 20, 2007 23:06:19 GMT -5
Balok, Herc has bested Ares before though, when Ares was at full strength. After this worst team Scenario, he would be greatly weakened.
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