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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 3, 2006 18:19:45 GMT -5
Spider-Man’s secret identity as Peter Parker is known to his Avengers teammates—who, for that matter, have also become well-acquainted with his wife and aunt. But how did this come about?
When Spider-Man was first joining up (before he even moved into Stark Tower), he was casual with his dual identity in meetings, and it was clear in Amazing Spider-Man (during the Charlie Weiderman storyline) that Tony Stark knew Spidey’s ID. Maybe Spidey revealed it to Tony first. But when?
Spider-Man used to jealously guard his dual identity, even against friends (though a few did find out—and a few foes did, too). So, I was a little surprised by how open he was with his new teammates. (He wasn’t quite so open with Ronin, though.) Never before have the Avengers required their members to reveal their secret IDs to the team.
What did I miss?
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 3, 2006 20:01:22 GMT -5
I don't know because I jumped off the Spidey books way back in the clone mess (although if anyone has the ORIGINAL clone saga, it's a blast!!!). Seems like a crossover idea with the Ultimate Spidey books.
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Post by Yellowjacket on Apr 4, 2006 3:21:47 GMT -5
Spider-Man used to jealously guard his dual identity, even against friends (though a few did find out—and a few foes did, too). So, I was a little surprised by how open he was with his new teammates. (He wasn’t quite so open with Ronin, though.) Never before have the Avengers required their members to reveal their secret IDs to the team. What did I miss? Yes, but it has been always kind of absurd - they´re fighting together, they´re (often) living(!) together, so being dressed up all the time did never make much sense anyhow - as long as one thinks he/she can trust their teammates. So that might be the answer for Spider-Man´s reservation with Ronin (who isn´t even an Avenger as far as I know). So, I don´t know, if you missed something, but that might be the answer. |
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 4, 2006 10:00:22 GMT -5
Well, let's start from the beginning.
Waay back in Marvel Team Up, Peter and Steve Rogers met each other in the Daily Bugle, but they didn't know who the other really was. However, they remembered face and name, and recognized each other when they met again some issues later.
Many years later, in an issue of Amazing Spider Man (470 circa), Spidey saw Cap without the mask, but failed to recognize him.
In the first issues of NA, Cap and Iron Man saw Spidey withouth the mask, but Cap didn't say anything.
In issue 3 (or 4 ?) of NA, Cap met Peter, saying that he knows his real identity because "Shield has a big file on him" or something like that.
We can then assume that he shared the secret with the other New Avengers, even though the regular Avengers didn't always know each other secret ID.
If you ask me, the "having a big file" thing is a bit lame, but Peter didn't seem to mind too much.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 4, 2006 19:57:17 GMT -5
In issue 3 (or 4 ?) of NA, Cap met Peter, saying that he knows his real identity because "Shield has a big file on him" or something like that. We can then assume that he shared the secret with the other New Avengers, even though the regular Avengers didn't always know each other secret ID. If you ask me, the "having a big file" thing is a bit lame, but Peter didn't seem to mind too much. I just reread the issues in question; the scene you describe was in #3. Actually, I think Peter was a bit surprised and unhappy. I’m not too shocked that SHIELD would have figured it out, though—they’re a superspy agency, and the guy goes in and out of his own windows in full costume. When you say “he” shared the secret, I’m not sure if you’re referring to Peter or Steve. But I don’t assume it in either case. Cap is no blabbermouth (heck, he’s from the “loose lips sink ships” era!  ), and I still feel it’s out of character for Peter. Hm...perhaps Peter’s behavior is due to residual “chaos magic”?  In #4, at the first meeting of the New Avengers, Spidey’s still wearing his mask, and Spider-Woman addresses him as “Peter” in front of Cage. Then the two Spiders have a conversation about his having “permitted” her to use the Spider-Woman name. I know they met a couple of times in her old series, and possibly they’ve met at other times, but I’m not aware of her having learned his name (maybe she also read the SHIELD file?) or their having had a conversation about their “franchise”. Another retcon? |
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 5, 2006 8:54:52 GMT -5
Yes, "he" was for Steve. I wouldn't have expected that either, but just a few pages after Steve meeting Peter, there is Steve meeting Daredevil, who mentions Peter Parker (and then realizes the has just betrayed his secret ID), so heroes seem to have a large mouth all of a sudden. As for Spider Woman, I don't think she knew his real name. A while ago, in the short living "Spider-Woman" (3) series, the one with Matt Franklin, Spidey met with them, and only Matt and Madame Web knew his secret ID, while Jessica seemed to ignore it. However she then became a SHIELD agent, so may be that's where she got it from (which means: another retcon  ) |
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Post by von Bek on May 3, 2006 9:37:14 GMT -5
The "Shield has a big file on everybody" stuff came direct from the Ultimate line, and it works fine there, but in the 616 MU it doesn´t make much sense.
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Post by Spider-Man on May 17, 2006 22:10:21 GMT -5
Steve wasn't the blabbermouth, because I seem to remember an issue of AMS shortly after Spidey joined the team that Tony discovered the ID so appearantly each member just learned it on their own...i guess....
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Post by Shiryu on May 18, 2006 10:54:59 GMT -5
Doesn't come to mind... Do you remember which issue was it ?
All I remember is that, ever since Steve talked Peter into joining the NA, he was very open regarding his ID.
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), and I still feel it’s out of character for Peter. Hm...perhaps Peter’s behavior is due to residual “chaos magic”? 
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