Post by Adrian J. Watts on Dec 17, 2005 0:50:51 GMT -5
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Well, here's the Avengers-related news wrap from Joe Fridays 29 over at newsarama.com. The copied and pasted text is in bold; my comments are not.
First, a mini-gripe (if I don't have seven or eight mini-gripes per post I don't have enough energy for my main whine):
If you look up early interviews with me you'll see me mentioning how I miss the days when fans were crazy about one company or another and how I wished that would come back, well, it's here.
OK, so it isn't Avengers-related, but... I have been involved in the online comic fandom since some time before Quesada became Editor-in-Chief of Marvel Comics, and you know what? I see NO difference in how crazy fans are for companies or books or ANYTHING now compared to what has come before. None. Am I missing some forums somewhere where people are all, like, SUPER-crazy now?
Well, probably the sooner you stop talking about Secret Wars II and Maximum Security the better, so go ahead...
Another mini-gripe (yes, I am building to something) and this comment was from the Newsarama.com interviewer, not Quesada. Why is it best not to talk about SW II and Maximum Security? Because they had tie-ins there were relevant to the main book, without being necessary reads? Or because they were created by competent creative teams?
Is this like saying we shouldn't talk about the Mona Lisa because Van Plexico's new doodle isn't anywhere near as good?
Even ignoring the superiority of those two x-overs... at the very least, they are equally as good as HoM. So what, we shouldn't discuss things like HoM? I just don't get it.
Unless the interviewer is Matt Brady himself, in which case I'll just file it under 'M' for 'More MattBrady poop'. (To think he actually calls himself a 'journalist'.)
Keith and company are going to bring us some new interpretations of many of these cosmic characters and revamp the whole Cosmic Universe. Most of the new interpretations will be along the same lines as what has been done with Drax currently.
This is good Avengers-related news, in more than one way. a) it involves Ronan the Accuser, who is a pretty significant Avengers baddie. b) it shows that Marvel has at least SOME editorial competence - they saw that you can 'reinvent' a character without retconning, or pretending they never existed in the first place.
If this little seed flowers, perhaps they will realise you can have New Avengers without losing the real - er, I mean, um, "old"? - Avengers.
That's what I think made a movie like The Matrix so successful initially. It took hard science and then rolled the fantasy element into it in a way that made us all believers.
I suppose I'm biased, since I really didn't/don't like the Matrix, but where's the hard science? What were we supposed to believe?
Fans are looking for these stories to hook into some bigger picture, this is a throw back to other similar times in comics, none of this is new.
I think we should have a poll on this - who here is look for stories to hook into a bigger picture, and who is just looking for stories that either a) are not written by Millar or Bendis or b) can go two pages without "WHAT YOU DID TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (that piece of dialogue, for Pulse #5, particularly gets me for some reason).
Oh, poo, screw Brady's poor interviewing. Here are some summaries.
- Apparently the New Avengers: Illuminati special connects to Planet Hulk
Five'll get you ten that Dr. Strange trips on his cape, says "What you did to me!!!!" and somehow that is an ancient Vishanti curse that sends the Hulk into deep space and gives all mutants their powers back.
-The Millar/McNiven '06 project is called Civil War and is also connected to NA: Illuminati
You know, the hidden secrets of the past become exposed and different factions of heroes fight eachother. You know, that hidden secret that BENDIS! made up a few minutes ago? About the secret cabal of unpopular heroes that run everything? That one that really has little basis in continuity? The one that actually contradicts a fairly major limited series?
Yeah, that one.
- Hints that Thor will return through "Civil War" and Fantastic Four #536.
Poor Thor. I had hoped he could weather the BENDIS!/JMS/Millar storm. I'm not even going to acknowledge this or the Eternals comments. Go read them yourself here:
www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays29.html
- Apparently Quesada encouraged Andy Schmidt to have the Guardians of the Galaxy involved in Annihilation
I would have loved to see Giffen play with the Guardians (for those who don't know, I am a big GotG fan - I think my fairly extended run on GotG for MV1, then Avengers2000, can attest to that) but I'd really rather see them not come back until BENDIS!/JMS/Millar/Schmidt/Quesada are all out of the way.
Yeah, you heard me. I used to sing Schmidt's praises, but since he showed his obvious ineptitude a few months ago (don't make me say it, I will hurt someone) I despise him.
BENDIS! poisons all.
- Quesada supports a lack of art consistency across titles. ie., Spider-Man doesn't need to look similar in Amazing and Friendly Neighbourhood.
Maybe that's why no-one was able to identify the shadowy figure in New Avengers #1. He probably looked 99% different from any earlier appearances. (And when we do see him, we won't know if he's Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Peter Parker, or any other male, since Finch draws them all identically.)
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To think - a year ago I loved comics.
- Adrian
(I think my hatred of BENDIS! is becoming a major psychological issue.)
S
P
A
C
E
.
Well, here's the Avengers-related news wrap from Joe Fridays 29 over at newsarama.com. The copied and pasted text is in bold; my comments are not.
First, a mini-gripe (if I don't have seven or eight mini-gripes per post I don't have enough energy for my main whine):
If you look up early interviews with me you'll see me mentioning how I miss the days when fans were crazy about one company or another and how I wished that would come back, well, it's here.
OK, so it isn't Avengers-related, but... I have been involved in the online comic fandom since some time before Quesada became Editor-in-Chief of Marvel Comics, and you know what? I see NO difference in how crazy fans are for companies or books or ANYTHING now compared to what has come before. None. Am I missing some forums somewhere where people are all, like, SUPER-crazy now?
Well, probably the sooner you stop talking about Secret Wars II and Maximum Security the better, so go ahead...
Another mini-gripe (yes, I am building to something) and this comment was from the Newsarama.com interviewer, not Quesada. Why is it best not to talk about SW II and Maximum Security? Because they had tie-ins there were relevant to the main book, without being necessary reads? Or because they were created by competent creative teams?
Is this like saying we shouldn't talk about the Mona Lisa because Van Plexico's new doodle isn't anywhere near as good?
Even ignoring the superiority of those two x-overs... at the very least, they are equally as good as HoM. So what, we shouldn't discuss things like HoM? I just don't get it.
Unless the interviewer is Matt Brady himself, in which case I'll just file it under 'M' for 'More MattBrady poop'. (To think he actually calls himself a 'journalist'.)
Keith and company are going to bring us some new interpretations of many of these cosmic characters and revamp the whole Cosmic Universe. Most of the new interpretations will be along the same lines as what has been done with Drax currently.
This is good Avengers-related news, in more than one way. a) it involves Ronan the Accuser, who is a pretty significant Avengers baddie. b) it shows that Marvel has at least SOME editorial competence - they saw that you can 'reinvent' a character without retconning, or pretending they never existed in the first place.
If this little seed flowers, perhaps they will realise you can have New Avengers without losing the real - er, I mean, um, "old"? - Avengers.
That's what I think made a movie like The Matrix so successful initially. It took hard science and then rolled the fantasy element into it in a way that made us all believers.
I suppose I'm biased, since I really didn't/don't like the Matrix, but where's the hard science? What were we supposed to believe?
Fans are looking for these stories to hook into some bigger picture, this is a throw back to other similar times in comics, none of this is new.
I think we should have a poll on this - who here is look for stories to hook into a bigger picture, and who is just looking for stories that either a) are not written by Millar or Bendis or b) can go two pages without "WHAT YOU DID TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (that piece of dialogue, for Pulse #5, particularly gets me for some reason).
Oh, poo, screw Brady's poor interviewing. Here are some summaries.
- Apparently the New Avengers: Illuminati special connects to Planet Hulk
Five'll get you ten that Dr. Strange trips on his cape, says "What you did to me!!!!" and somehow that is an ancient Vishanti curse that sends the Hulk into deep space and gives all mutants their powers back.
-The Millar/McNiven '06 project is called Civil War and is also connected to NA: Illuminati
You know, the hidden secrets of the past become exposed and different factions of heroes fight eachother. You know, that hidden secret that BENDIS! made up a few minutes ago? About the secret cabal of unpopular heroes that run everything? That one that really has little basis in continuity? The one that actually contradicts a fairly major limited series?
Yeah, that one.
- Hints that Thor will return through "Civil War" and Fantastic Four #536.
Poor Thor. I had hoped he could weather the BENDIS!/JMS/Millar storm. I'm not even going to acknowledge this or the Eternals comments. Go read them yourself here:
www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays29.html
- Apparently Quesada encouraged Andy Schmidt to have the Guardians of the Galaxy involved in Annihilation
I would have loved to see Giffen play with the Guardians (for those who don't know, I am a big GotG fan - I think my fairly extended run on GotG for MV1, then Avengers2000, can attest to that) but I'd really rather see them not come back until BENDIS!/JMS/Millar/Schmidt/Quesada are all out of the way.
Yeah, you heard me. I used to sing Schmidt's praises, but since he showed his obvious ineptitude a few months ago (don't make me say it, I will hurt someone) I despise him.
BENDIS! poisons all.
- Quesada supports a lack of art consistency across titles. ie., Spider-Man doesn't need to look similar in Amazing and Friendly Neighbourhood.
Maybe that's why no-one was able to identify the shadowy figure in New Avengers #1. He probably looked 99% different from any earlier appearances. (And when we do see him, we won't know if he's Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Peter Parker, or any other male, since Finch draws them all identically.)
-----------------------
To think - a year ago I loved comics.
- Adrian
(I think my hatred of BENDIS! is becoming a major psychological issue.)
