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Post by starfoxxx on May 10, 2015 13:03:54 GMT -5
This is just a little "check it out" post, amid all the movie and Secret Wars hype......
The AVENGERS magazine was a freebie I picked up at my LCS around mid-April, and it was a sweet find for Avengers fans, IMO.
Articles include 50 GREATEST AVENGERS STORIES, JOHN BUSCEMA's SIVER AGE AVENGERS, RANKING AVENGERS ROGUES, interviews with classic AVENGERS WRITERS, etc..
What I found MOST intriguing was THE ULTIMATE AVENGERS ROLL CALL, with head-shots, first appearances, and first active AVENGERS appearances (I love stuff like this),
all the way up to 2015, and also including AVENGERS INFILTRATORS, like the Zodiac infiltrators, Loki, Ravonna, and Skrulls.
I think this new ROLL CALL would make for a great thread, such as new additions for BEST/WORST AVENGERS, etc....
Personally, I'm kind of skeptical of MOST of the new "Avengers" since Lionheart (and including Lionheart, haha) as QUALITY additions to the team, some exceptions being Dr Strange (his addition just seems right to me), Valkyrie ( I just like her), Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew (ditto). If nobody is able to get their hands on the AVENGERS MAGAZINE (it was free), I would be happy to post the list on this thread.
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Post by spiderwasp on May 11, 2015 15:37:23 GMT -5
This is just a little "check it out" post, amid all the movie and Secret Wars hype...... Personally, I'm kind of skeptical of MOST of the new "Avengers" since Lionheart (and including Lionheart, haha) as QUALITY additions to the team, some exceptions being Dr Strange (his addition just seems right to me), Valkyrie ( I just like her), Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew (ditto). That's exactly how I felt with the list. I thought it was ironic that you had to flip the page after Lionheart because flipping the page was what made my excitement sink to the pits of my stomach. I do agree with exceptions on the second page including the ones you named (I never read any of the Dr. Strange issues but I'm okay with it in theory). I would also add the Young Avengers to that list. Their acceptance to the team in Children's Crusade seen appropriate and deserved. Besides, they are the best thing to happen to the Avengers this century. However, as much as I like them, I could let them go if it was the only way to get a huge retcon that would eliminate everything that happened from Disassembled on. |
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 16, 2015 9:05:26 GMT -5
Is 'Avengers Magazine' the official title of the book? Can you scan a pic of the cover or provide a link to one? It sounds very interesting but I'd like to see what it looks like so I know what to look for at my LCS.  |
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Post by starfoxxx on May 16, 2015 12:34:13 GMT -5
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 17, 2015 10:33:24 GMT -5
Ok, thanks for the link. I'm not sure if my LCS had any copies or not but I'll look for it next time I'm there.
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 7, 2015 15:20:56 GMT -5
A while back I had gone through the Avengers roster, and these are the members from the magazine's ROLL CALL section that I have issue with...
Rick Jones----honorary member??? Whatever.
Swordsman--- I never liked him being considered a REAL member, he was an infiltrator who turned good, then died. OK, Whatever.
Guardians of the Galaxy--yes they deserve honorary membership.
Capt Marvel 1---ditto.
Whizzer- NO.
Two-Gun Kid--honorary?? OK Whatever.
Moira Brandon--- NO!!!!!
Marrina-- honorary? NO.
D-man-- NO. a dumb idea from the start, just a bad idea.
Swordsman/Magdalene-- just a reminder of a crappy time for the Avengers, IMO. And no, not REAL members. Alternate reality crap.
Masque-- I never read these issues, but a bad idea....NO.
teenage Iron Man---More alternate reality mumbo-jumbo and a bad time for the Avengers comics....NO.
Lionheart-- Whatever, her non-existent legacy says it all about this lame character.
Bendis' NEW AVENGERS--- OK, just more hype than reward, as far as the writing goes. They looked good on the covers and drawn by some quality artists....Leinil Yu being the exception.
Amadeus Cho--- NO!
Stature--- OK, a legacy-type character, just one of the WORST code-names ever.
the SECRET AVENGERS---Valkyrie, Ant-man, Capt Britain, Nova....YES!
Iron Fist--- OK.
DR Strange--- YES, but please write him cleverly, not using his magic as the dues ex machine.
every consequent "member" after that on the ROLL CALL is a NO! for me, the exceptions being the X-men from the FIRST UNCANNY X-men book
(Havok, Rogue, Sunfire, etc) NOT Sabretooth from the horrible 2nd volume.
and I was really excited to see Cannonball and Sunspot on the Avengers, but I wasn't impressed with how they were written.
And now with Secret Wars, who knows who will be "considered" AVENGERS MEMBERS???
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Post by spiderwasp on Jun 7, 2015 16:07:09 GMT -5
A while back I had gone through the Avengers roster, and these are the members from the magazine's ROLL CALL section that I have issue with... Rick Jones----honorary member??? Whatever. Swordsman--- I never liked him being considered a REAL member, he was an infiltrator who turned good, then died. OK, Whatever. Guardians of the Galaxy--yes they deserve honorary membership. Capt Marvel 1---ditto. Whizzer- NO. Two-Gun Kid--honorary?? OK Whatever. Moira Brandon--- NO!!!!! Marrina-- honorary? NO. D-man-- NO. a dumb idea from the start, just a bad idea. Swordsman/Magdalene-- just a reminder of a crappy time for the Avengers, IMO. And no, not REAL members. Alternate reality crap. Masque-- I never read these issues, but a bad idea....NO. teenage Iron Man---More alternate reality mumbo-jumbo and a bad time for the Avengers comics....NO. Lionheart-- Whatever, her non-existent legacy says it all about this lame character. Bendis' NEW AVENGERS--- OK, just more hype than reward, as far as the writing goes. They looked good on the covers and drawn by some quality artists....Leinil Yu being the exception. Amadeus Cho--- NO! Stature--- OK, a legacy-type character, just one of the WORST code-names ever. the SECRET AVENGERS---Valkyrie, Ant-man, Capt Britain, Nova....YES! Iron Fist--- OK. DR Strange--- YES, but please write him cleverly, not using his magic as the dues ex machine. every consequent "member" after that on the ROLL CALL is a NO! for me, the exceptions being the X-men from the FIRST UNCANNY X-men book (Havok, Rogue, Sunfire, etc) NOT Sabretooth from the horrible 2nd volume. and I was really excited to see Cannonball and Sunspot on the Avengers, but I wasn't impressed with how they were written. And now with Secret Wars, who knows who will be "considered" AVENGERS MEMBERS??? Most of these I agree with. I'm okay with Rick Jones because of his role in the Kree/Skrull War. I never understood why Swordsman was considered a member but not Wonderman until his return in the 70s. Wondy officially joined then turned traitor but "Died" doing the right thing. Swordsman was just a fake all along but if you look at the list of the order that they joined, Swordsman is listed as active as of #20 and Wondy is active as of #182 instead of #9. I don't get the logic. As for Moira Brandon and D-Man, I've never liked the idea that a single member of the team could just grant someone membership. That's something that should have to be voted on. Of course, I'm talking about the days when being an Avenger meant something. Today, you can get an official Avengers ID in a Cracker Jack box. Of the later members, I was glad to see the Young Avengers listed. They were officially made members in Children's Crusade and deservedly so. However, I just can't think of Kate Bishop as Hawkeye. It was one thing when Clint was "Dead" but she really needs a new name. There should only be one hero per name. I'm also confused by the Initiative and Academy teachers and students. I thought teaching at the Initiative actually meant Speedball was at least an honorary member. Graduates/instructors of either program such as Cloud 9, Lightspeed (Who appeared right alongside the White Tiger), Stryker, Hazmat and so forth would, by my understanding, be members. I'm certainly not saying that we need more people on the list but if characters such as Quake, Storm, Smasher, Doombot, and Nightmask can be considered members, we might as well include these others that are much more interesting characters. |
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 9, 2015 12:13:45 GMT -5
Yes, some questionable roster additions there. I liked most of the Initiative and Academy students, although some were EXTREMELY lame. Butterball was probably even more ill-conceived than RAGE. And some, like Hardball, were just plot devices (ala the original Swordsman).
I would NEVER consider them actual Avengers, they never really finished their training, IMO. And I feel the same about the Young Avengers, although I have never read any of their stories, although I've heard they were well written. There's something about children being Avengers that just doesn't work for me.
As far as Storm goes, I've always wanted her on the team ever since the cover of Avengers #267 teased Storm and Colossus as members...
I fell that both Storm and Colossus' characters would have been VERY well served to get out of the X-(crappy)-Universe and they would have made great additions to the NY or WC Avengers.
Also, I forgot to mention how I was pleased with how Remender wrote and included Brother Voodoo on Uncanny Avengers. Sure, he's a poor-man's Dr Strange, but I feel he's a character that has earned his place on my favorite team. I feel the same about Iron Fist, although any Avengers stories I've read with him on the squad (admittedly, not many) have been garbage.
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Post by spiderwasp on Jun 9, 2015 20:01:49 GMT -5
Yes, some questionable roster additions there. I liked most of the Initiative and Academy students, although some were EXTREMELY lame. Butterball was probably even more ill-conceived than RAGE. And some, like Hardball, were just plot devices (ala the original Swordsman). I would NEVER consider them actual Avengers, they never really finished their training, IMO. And I feel the same about the Young Avengers, although I have never read any of their stories, although I've heard they were well written. There's something about children being Avengers that just doesn't work for me. As far as Storm goes, I've always wanted her on the team ever since the cover of Avengers #267 teased Storm and Colossus as members... I fell that both Storm and Colossus' characters would have been VERY well served to get out of the X-(crappy)-Universe and they would have made great additions to the NY or WC Avengers. Also, I forgot to mention how I was pleased with how Remender wrote and included Brother Voodoo on Uncanny Avengers. Sure, he's a poor-man's Dr Strange, but I feel he's a character that has earned his place on my favorite team. I feel the same about Iron Fist, although any Avengers stories I've read with him on the squad (admittedly, not many) have been garbage. I was reading some of the earliest adventures of the distinguished competition's League of Super-heroes recently. I thought it interesting that they had in there charter that they could only add one new member per year. I think that's a bit silly but recent years with the Avengers have made me think that maybe they had the right idea. Had the Avengers done that, they'd only have about half the members they have. Better yet, only about a dozen could have been added since the Bendis days. |
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jun 14, 2015 9:02:06 GMT -5
Yes, some questionable roster additions there. I liked most of the Initiative and Academy students, although some were EXTREMELY lame. Butterball was probably even more ill-conceived than RAGE. And some, like Hardball, were just plot devices (ala the original Swordsman). I would NEVER consider them actual Avengers, they never really finished their training, IMO. And I feel the same about the Young Avengers, although I have never read any of their stories, although I've heard they were well written. There's something about children being Avengers that just doesn't work for me. As far as Storm goes, I've always wanted her on the team ever since the cover of Avengers #267 teased Storm and Colossus as members... I fell that both Storm and Colossus' characters would have been VERY well served to get out of the X-(crappy)-Universe and they would have made great additions to the NY or WC Avengers. Also, I forgot to mention how I was pleased with how Remender wrote and included Brother Voodoo on Uncanny Avengers. Sure, he's a poor-man's Dr Strange, but I feel he's a character that has earned his place on my favorite team. I feel the same about Iron Fist, although any Avengers stories I've read with him on the squad (admittedly, not many) have been garbage. I was reading some of the earliest adventures of the distinguished competition's League of Super-heroes recently. I thought it interesting that they had in there charter that they could only add one new member per year. I think that's a bit silly but recent years with the Avengers have made me think that maybe they had the right idea. Had the Avengers done that, they'd only have about half the members they have. Better yet, only about a dozen could have been added since the Bendis days. How many members have been forced onto the team by the government? I know Falcon was and USAgent was. The Legion's charter has some interesting insights. The 'one new member a year' rule lead to some classic zany tryout sessions but I like the clause that states 'no power replication'. No two serving members could have the exact same power. That makes sense to me, lending to more diversity amongst the team. I can see Rick Jones as an honorary member, not only because of the Kree/Skrull War, but in a similar vein to Snapper Carr, Rick has been there literally since the beginning. I have to ask though, who is Moira Brandon? I don't recognize the name. |
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Post by Doctor Bong Crosby on Jun 14, 2015 16:31:07 GMT -5
An old, retired actress who either gave away or sold to Hawkeye (I forget which...) her Palos Verdes property, the one which became the West Coast Avengers Compound. I seem to remember a big part of the reason why Hawkeye granted her honorary avenger status was that she died due to an attack on Hawkeye and Mockingbird by Crossfire, one of the archer´s main foes at the time.
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