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Post by starfoxxx on Jan 28, 2015 17:27:10 GMT -5
Hey now! I just saw this trailer, and I was underwhelmed.........the tone of the trailer is kinda dark and somber.....I remember the FF as being fun. And it looks like more than 4 astronauts going out to space, so that's different and kind of intriguing.......We'll see.....
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Post by spiderwasp on Jan 28, 2015 22:33:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw the trailer too and felt exactly the same way. I actually think this may be the first major Marvel film that I don't bother to see. I say major because I never saw the Ghost Rider sequel but that wasn't really major. Even though I have major reservations concerning the Ant-man film, I wouldn't miss it for the world but not this one. Although I think they really screwed up the villains (Both Doom and Galactus) I still liked the first FF films. At least I liked the FF themselves. They felt like the characters I'd always known. This seems more like some distant thing that was inspired by the FF. I'm just totally uninterested.
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 29, 2015 6:13:33 GMT -5
Objectively speaking, the voiceover for the trailer is rather engaging, but--- man, the whole thing seems so hackneyed and been-there-already. If it weren't for it being called FANTASTIC FOUR it looks like it could be just about any sci-fi film (let alone a superhero film). I'm not past the Ultimate FF youthful take on the characters (esp Ben), and I never will be, I'm afraid. The trailer is also woefully lacking in any engaging glimpses of the characters' interacting or their humanity. Bleah. "BIG EVENT"-- enough, already.
Doesn't mean the kids in it will be bad, though, or even that it'll be a bad movie in itself, so I'll hold out for the reviews before making my decision on whether or not to catch it.
Gonna be some big hurdles to win my heart, though.
HB
PS- Am I thinking the Negative Zone may be playing a part in the plot? That seems to be what all the extra "explorers" are heading into. I think. . .
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Post by Marvel Boy on Aug 8, 2015 9:10:32 GMT -5
Well, early reviews are in and this movie appears to be a major disappointment. Even the director is distancing himself somewhat, saying that studio influence was heavy-handed.
If I watch this film (IF), it'll be when it drops down onto pay-for-view.
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Post by bobc on Aug 8, 2015 14:30:36 GMT -5
Yeah the reviews are pretty disastrous. I'll pass.
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Post by spiderwasp on Aug 8, 2015 14:52:21 GMT -5
The reviews are actually so bad that they are quite amusing to read.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Aug 9, 2015 10:12:50 GMT -5
How do you screw up Doctor Doom though? This is Fox's, what, second, third attempt on the character? It's startling when you consider how well they've portrayed Magento on the big screen yet they seem to be missing the main points on Victor.
Should Doom even be used at this point? What other FF villains could they have used instead?
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Post by starfoxxx on Aug 9, 2015 18:30:15 GMT -5
If I watch this film (IF), it'll be when it drops down onto pay-for-view. I'm opting for the REDBOX option.....I'm not paying more than $2 to be disappointed, ha-ha! I ACTUALLY didn't think the first two FF movies were THAT bad, (the THING should have looked rockier, taller, more massive in general).....the characterizations (esp. Silver Surfer) were OK..... EXCEPT DR DOOM was wrong, wrong , wrong!!!!!!!!! That slick, Americanized DOOM just ruined it for me! He even cracked jokes in the first FF movie!?!?! Didn't ANYONE read a comic book with Dr Doom in it before attempting to make a FF movie?!?!? SHEEESH! |
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 10, 2015 8:42:14 GMT -5
Boy, Hollywood as an entity is just astonishingly unable to learn from its own mistakes-- decade after decade-- isn't it? Or at least, amazingly blind to what is obviously a bad product once a threshold of investment has been reached. The very first, few sneak peeks at previews told the tale on this dog. Changes from source material can be overcome if it is A GOOD FILM. But the moment those early previews gave us even a little bit of the hackneyed, cliched, tired dialog and overwrought/underplayed narration, the game was up. No way around it. It starts with the writing. And it was nakedly apparent at that point that actually "writing" the film was a mere formality before getting it up on the screen. Gad-- what an embarrassment. And such a sad waste of resources (although, well-- I guess it does provide employment for lots of good folks up and down the hollywood production food chain). And if a studio pulls the plug, it does put a lot of people immediately out of work-- so in a way, it's still the humane way to operate. Hmm-- which is never the way any studio would operate-- so there HAS to have been some sort of insurance or bottom-line advantage to going ahead and releasing the film.
Maybe. . . maybe the story is simply inherently un-cinematic? I wonder if anyone has considered making it into a television series? I'm serious. It's a MUCH better format for getting to know these characters and their other foes over the course of time. . .
HB
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Post by bobc on Aug 10, 2015 10:23:03 GMT -5
Well I think there have been some great Marvel movies! I liked both Avengers, all the X-Men movies, and Winter Soldier. I didn't see the first Captain America, and only saw the first Iron Man, which I thought was okay at the time but now I can hardly remember it.
RE: The Fantastic Four. I have always maintained that their stable of villains is unique and impressive-- making their books enjoyable. And in the FF heyday, there was a lot of humor and infighting. I don't think the movie people understand this. I have not seen the latest movie, but apparently they get their powers from entering the Negative Zone--but I haven't heard anyone even mention Annihilus (sp). What is the Negative Zone without him?
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 10, 2015 11:26:26 GMT -5
Well I think there have been some great Marvel movies! I liked both Avengers, all the X-Men movies, and Winter Soldier. I didn't see the first Captain America, and only saw the first Iron Man, which I thought was okay at the time but now I can hardly remember it. RE: The Fantastic Four. I have always maintained that their stable of villains is unique and impressive-- making their books enjoyable. And in the FF heyday, there was a lot of humor and infighting. I don't think the movie people understand this. I have not seen the latest movie, but apparently they get their powers from entering the Negative Zone--but I haven't heard anyone even mention Annihilus (sp). What is the Negative Zone without him? According to the reviews (which haven't really even made a pretense of keeping things spoiler-free, I think), it's not really called the Negative Zone, but. . . Planet Zero? Dimension Zero? Area Zero?? Something like that? But yeah-- that exposure is the source of their powers, it looks like. I daresay the big problem is that FOX owns the rights to this property, and Marvel/Disney doesn't have any control over the product whatsoever. Although there are some exceptions, FOX- as an entertainment corporation behemoth- has ALWAYS (well, since the Murdoch era, at least) valued and emphasized "youth", trendiness, flash, and "hot"-ness over actual substance in their projects. This reboot is an almost comical example of that corporate mindset. HB |
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Post by spiderwasp on Aug 10, 2015 11:38:45 GMT -5
If I watch this film (IF), it'll be when it drops down onto pay-for-view. I'm opting for the REDBOX option.....I'm not paying more than $2 to be disappointed, ha-ha! I ACTUALLY didn't think the first two FF movies were THAT bad, (the THING should have looked rockier, taller, more massive in general).....the characterizations (esp. Silver Surfer) were OK..... EXCEPT DR DOOM was wrong, wrong , wrong!!!!!!!!! That slick, Americanized DOOM just ruined it for me! He even cracked jokes in the first FF movie!?!?! Didn't ANYONE read a comic book with Dr Doom in it before attempting to make a FF movie?!?!? SHEEESH! I too MOSTLY enjoyed the other 2 movies. I think they did a good job with the actual team. If they hadn't screwed up Dr. Doom and Galactus so badly, they would have been excellent. However, those screw ups were pretty massive. |
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 10, 2015 15:07:56 GMT -5
I'm opting for the REDBOX option.....I'm not paying more than $2 to be disappointed, ha-ha! I ACTUALLY didn't think the first two FF movies were THAT bad, (the THING should have looked rockier, taller, more massive in general).....the characterizations (esp. Silver Surfer) were OK..... EXCEPT DR DOOM was wrong, wrong , wrong!!!!!!!!! That slick, Americanized DOOM just ruined it for me! He even cracked jokes in the first FF movie!?!?! Didn't ANYONE read a comic book with Dr Doom in it before attempting to make a FF movie?!?!? SHEEESH! I too MOSTLY enjoyed the other 2 movies. I think they did a good job with the actual team. If they hadn't screwed up Dr. Doom and Galactus so badly, they would have been excellent. However, those screw ups were pretty massive. It's especially baffling that they're unable to commit to a Victor von Doom with his roots in the source material. Honestly, his story is compelling as-is. And much like Magneto, if his childhood experiences are grounded by setting them in a Latveria that is suffering from being the worst of Soviet satellite nation hell-holes-- from which he barely manages to escape, and ends up in college with arrogant, "privileged" Reed Richards--- geeze, he becomes a first-tier movie villain character. One that we care about, ala Magneto or Loki, say. Just. . . no understanding of what makes good storytelling at all. Galactus, on the other hand, was probably just a bad choice from the get-go. Making him a big "humanoid" for the movie would have looked, well, silly. Knockin' on the door of the MST3K treatment, I think. But a big cloud of cosmic mustard gas simply turns it into the disaster-of-the-week--- with very little to be learned (and I have to confess that I don't remember much about the movie anyhow). Good, interesting conflicts and adversaries are of COURSE what make good movies in this genre. And some of the FF's early rogues gallery are likely, while others I wouldn't touch on a bet. Ones that, off the top of my head, I think could make a much better film? Red Ghost and his Super Apes Diablo Possssssibly an iteration of the Frightful Four (regardless of how obvious that is) Annihilus-- absolutely (and maybe w/ a helping of teddy-bear eared Blastaar) Don't Go There's-? Mole Man Namor (Unless there's a huge resurgence of interest in amphibious characters) Miracle Man Hate Monger Molecule Man Puppet Master That's completely off the top of my head-- but, ANYTHING other than another round w/ Doom at this point. He's out, out, OUT. HB |
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Post by bobc on Aug 13, 2015 14:53:18 GMT -5
Did you see the new FF movie, HB?
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 14, 2015 13:04:16 GMT -5
Did you see the new FF movie, HB? Nope-- although my lack of attendance is less of a boycott and more a BUSY summer issue (I haven't seen Ant-Man yet, even, daggone it! Or Jurassic World!). But honestly, I cannot imagine giving over the price of a movie ticket for a film that has driven me away with almost every glimpse. I suppose my harsh criticisms will necessarily ring hollow, since one ultimately can't fully judge a film for oneself w/out watching it-- but still. If I watch someone pour vinegar, raw liver, and pickled herring into my chocolate milkshake, I can offer a 100% certitude that I am not gonna like that shake, whether I drink it or not. Heh. (Geeze, now I'm craving a chocolate shake. . . ) I even recognize that I'm the one guy who kind of liked Green Lantern, and Cowboys & Aliens, and even the first Ghost Rider (a little). But if nothing else, the previews for those films let me know that they'd have a tone that appealed to me. HATING the tone in the FF previews. Truly hating it. Pretty much the way I've hated the tone of the Batman previews, in fact. HB |
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Post by Marvel Boy on Aug 17, 2015 14:45:30 GMT -5
Could the change in their origin be an issue as well? I've never read Ultimate FF but that seems more the source of inspiration here than their traditional origin.
The biggest gripe I've read against this film is the almost complete lack of the family aspect. Reed and Ben's relationship seems to have gotten the most focus while, if I understand correctly, Ben and Sue didn't even talk to each to other for the whole film.
But like you said HB, it's not really fair to judge a movie without actually watching it. So I'll probably bite the bullet when this does drop down on pay-per-view.
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Post by bobc on Aug 17, 2015 17:45:01 GMT -5
People keep referring to the FF as Marvel's "First Family," which is absolutely true, so why stray completely away from that? I am all for progressing characters over the years (I think I'm one of the few people on this forum who LOVED The Ultimates by Mark Millar)--but the following "Ultimates" by other writers was absolute garbage. It's all in the execution of the new idea. Mark Millar obviously knew and loved the Avengers as a group--but wanted to update the concept and make it more current. His take seemed to be inspired by the original, and he made it even better. I am all for that.
But this FF movie reeks of a bunch of studio suits, who care or know nothing about the FF, throwing out lame ideas to make the FF cooler. I do video games for a living, so I can see this kind of know-nothing attitude by corporate types coming from a mile away. Remember Kevin Smith's epic rant about how some industry suit telling him he saw "giant spiders" as a way to make a Superman movie great? So unbelievably clueless.
So no. I don't want an FF who don't even know each other. I don't want a black human torch (especially since there are so many great black characters languishing in obscurity). I want Johnny to be Sue's sister. I also want Ben and Reed to be older than the others.I hate this pandering to PC--it never works. Shows like Game of Thrones, Mad Men, Breaking Bad and The Wire have been huge hits because they don't tow the PC line. Good for them.
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