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Post by Marvel Boy on Jun 14, 2014 10:29:49 GMT -5
The latest Avengers eventWe may be reaching the finale of Hickman's grand Avengers plan as this Sept, both Avengers and New Avengers will jump 8 months into the future as our heroes are confronted with the Final Incursion. According to Brevoort, this jump is legitimate, as the future seen in these issues will be the 'actual' Marvel future. What may be confusing though, is that these titles will go from the future point onward as the rest of Marvel's titles play catch up. So in real time, by next April, the other Marvel books will have synced up with the 'future' Avengers and New Avengers. It sounds timey-wimey to me but I give Marvel huge credit for being audacious with this.
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 14, 2014 12:33:38 GMT -5
I don't want to chime in with blatant negativity, but I don't see Marvel as being audacious at all. Didn't DC do this a few years ago and called it "One Year Later"  It seemed like a dumb cash grab to sell more confusing tie-ins when DC did it (and I admit, I didn't buy any of those comics), it seems like Marvel is doing the same thing. But I don't read Avengers or New Avengers (it was confusing enough before Final Incursion, IMO)......I just hope it doesn't negatively affect Uncanny Avengers, the only Avengers title I still buy/read. Here's MY genius idea. Since a large portion of comic book readers are probably middle-aged like myself----why not go back to producing comics with more old-school writing, art, covers, and smaller one issue to two-three issue arcs like in the 60s-70s-80s??? Wasn't that when comics were selling the most copies? At least try this "retro-experiment" with long running titles like Amazing Spidey, Capt. America, Avengers, Thor, and Incredible Hulk. It couldn't hurt to try, Marvel. |
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 14, 2014 22:49:59 GMT -5
Oh golly, there's really no such thing as a new thing, so to speak. In a way, this catch-up-with-time conceit vaguely reminds me of SECRET WARS, of all things. Well, and SUNSET BLVD, naturally.
But. . . I'm not a-buyin' any books at all these days, so haven't a dog in the race, really.
HB
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 15, 2014 11:42:54 GMT -5
Oh HB, did you mention SECRET WARS? I'm not sure if Final Incursion or One Year Later are written the same way, but I was an AVID Marvel reader when Secret Wars came out, and I enjoyed reading the series to fill in the many questions that arose in the Marvel Universe and the titles the Secret Wars heroes (and villains) appeared in.......How did Spidey get that cool black costume? What did Colossus do that hurt his relationship with Kitty? Why did thre Thing stay on Battleworld, and why did Shulkie join the FF?
I liked Secret Wars----but I feel the REAL cash grab came @ a year later with that steaming turd---SECRET WARS 2!!!! Talk about useless , confusing tie-ins and just a really bad premise....that Geri-curl Beyonder with the David Byrne shoulder pads....yuck!
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 15, 2014 21:43:32 GMT -5
Oh HB, did you mention SECRET WARS? I'm not sure if Final Incursion or One Year Later are written the same way, but I was an AVID Marvel reader when Secret Wars came out, and I enjoyed reading the series to fill in the many questions that arose in the Marvel Universe and the titles the Secret Wars heroes (and villains) appeared in.......How did Spidey get that cool black costume? What did Colossus do that hurt his relationship with Kitty? Why did thre Thing stay on Battleworld, and why did Shulkie join the FF? I liked Secret Wars----but I feel the REAL cash grab came @ a year later with that steaming turd---SECRET WARS 2!!!! Talk about useless , confusing tie-ins and just a really bad premise....that Geri-curl Beyonder with the David Byrne shoulder pads....yuck! Mostly it was just a very loose comparison based on Marvel Boy's description-- y'know, the story-structure convention of revealing a tale's endpoint right at the very beginning, and then having the entirety of the story "catch up" to that point. It has its pros & cons, naturally, and can be used to great effectiveness (The whole first season of ONCE UPON A TIME, for instance), but Marvel's surely not going to try to pass this off as a revolutionary breaking of new narrative ground. . . are they? I did later on go ahead and follow MarvBoy's link to Tom Brevoort's interview about this event, and it was more than a little horrifying, since Tom B himself in several instances insisted that he was having trouble explaining it all clearly, and that it was EXTREMELY complex and difficult to follow, etc, etc. But don't worry, 'cause it'll be SO COOL and the BEST THING EVER, etc, etc. (okay, I'm paraphrasing & possibly adding my own subtext. . .) He. . . should never have given that interview if he wasn't prepared to promote it in a coherent fashion. Hey, y'know-- I really liked SECRET WARS as well! It sort of brought me back into attentive comics collecting (that first issue, in fact) at a low-ebb point in my life. It seems like that whole first event tends to take a lot of dismissive heat these days, particularly because of its blatant and unrepentant marketing-driven creative origins, but as a reader who was blithely unaware of such things, I freely bought into it and enjoyed the ride. Not the most consistent series ever, or always brilliantly written, but it was a big ol' entertaining caper w/ a passel o' heroes in extremely unusual circumstances. SWII, I agree, was one of the worst fiascoes (on almost every level) that Marvel ever put on a printing press. An absolute embarrassment. HB |
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jun 19, 2014 8:32:25 GMT -5
It's bothersome that the editors are having trouble coherently explaining this concept. It's not a new storytelling technique, but something about their explanation is off-putting. Plus, this would appear to take quite the editorial coordination between all the titles in order to ensure things do line up later on.
During Bendis' tenure on the Avengers, I read more DC so I thoroughly enjoyed both One Year Later and the weekly series 52 that filled in the gaps of that missing year. How Johns, Waid, Rucka, Morrison were able to coordinate their writing efforts on 52 is something Marvel still needs to take notes on about.
Secret Wars remains a favorite event though I never read the main SW II event. My favorite tie-in issue of SW II is FF #288, which explains the how and why Doom survived his 'death' at the end of Secret Wars. A tad convoluted perhaps, but I feel Bryne crafted an engaging story that was very entertaining.
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It seemed like a dumb cash grab to sell more confusing tie-ins when DC did it (and I admit, I didn't buy any of those comics), it seems like Marvel is doing the same thing. 
