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Post by sharkar on Aug 14, 2014 19:41:31 GMT -5
I'd mentioned earlier in this thread that Byrne's work in this arc 164-6 seems to contain some Kirby and J. Buscema references... but it looks like there might be some Wally Wood recalls in there too (such as the opening splash of Namor from Daredevil #7). Though I suppose this is a fairly standard comic book pose...so this may be just an excuse to gaze upon Namor and Simon--what can I say, I'm superficial.
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 15, 2014 21:48:58 GMT -5
I'd mentioned earlier in this thread that Byrne's work in this arc 164-6 seems to contain some Kirby and J. Buscema references... but it looks like there might be some Wally Wood recalls in there too (such as the opening splash of Namor from Daredevil #7). Though I suppose this is a fairly standard comic book pose...so this may be just an excuse to gaze upon Namor and Simon--what can I say, I'm superficial. Darn it, I can't find the specific image for it anywhere, but Shar I think I'm recalling Avengers #61, possibly page 3 or 4, where the vision is being "fed" solar energy into his power jewel. Did that have a similar configuration? (Ha! Testin' the Queen o' Memory, I am-!!!) HB
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Post by sharkar on Aug 16, 2014 11:27:43 GMT -5
Ah, great catch, HB! Yes, it is indeed Avengers #61--and it makes perfect sense that an artist new to the Avengers comic would have some Buscema around as reference for the characters, layout of Avengers mansion, etc. Plus, not only are the seated figures very similar, but look at the positioning of Tony and Hawkeye--also their jawlines and chins--in the two images.
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Post by Crimson Cowl on May 8, 2015 10:10:04 GMT -5
Great idea for a thread guys, shame it doesn't seem to be active anymore.
I just wanted to mention how important I think the introduction of Gyrich in this story is for The Avengers title. Whilst I adore the Roy Thomas/John Buscema era the so called 'Shooter years' are when the book 'came of age'. Introducing the notion of Marvel's 'official' super team having to battle government bureaucracy. Indeed it is this that lends their 'official' status credence and defining colour. Previously they just tended to be a bunch of superheoes going on adventures and the fact that they had governement approval of some sort seemed more like the general approbation that we were supposed to think superheroes would receive rather than being something truly distinctive about the Avengers (indeed were they actually any more 'priveledged' than the FF prior to this?).
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 10, 2015 10:18:40 GMT -5
Hm, I can't recall offhand any real connection between the FF and the gov't. The FF are an incorporated business after all, so unless they violate some business or trade law, I'm not sure if the gov't could intervene in any of their outside adventures. (Unless this is somehow addressed in the Civil War story, which I haven't read just yet, but will now that it seems to form a basis for the next Cap film).
The official gov't liason with the team was a nice inventive touch. Gyrich was always a character you loved to hate and I did like how Busiek treated the role in Vol. 3 of the book. But I rather it be a loose affiliation than outright annexation for nowadays, for all intents and purposes, the team is practically a subsidiary of SHIELD, on call for whenever Maria Hill may need them.
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Post by Crimson Cowl on May 11, 2015 5:40:04 GMT -5
Hm, I can't recall offhand any real connection between the FF and the gov't. The FF are an incorporated business after all, so unless they violate some business or trade law, I'm not sure if the gov't could intervene in any of their outside adventures. (Unless this is somehow addressed in the Civil War story, which I haven't read just yet, but will now that it seems to form a basis for the next Cap film). The point is that The Avengers weren't demonstrably any more priveledged than the FF in spite of their supposed 'official' sanction. The FF can launch a rocket or the Fantasticar from their building. If the FF want info from SHIELD then they can just call up Nick Fury and are pretty much guaranteed access because they're so darn heroic. There were elements of the FF having to 'deal with reality' already established at this point though it usually involved the owners of the Baxter Building. The more specific nature of the teams' roles and thus their more specific identities became more defined as a result of the introduction of Gyrich, the struggles against bureaucrats, and greater emphasis on security and the value of the A1 priority card and clearance. Evidently I haven't read the comics in question. On principle I don't have an objection to a period of closer governmental ties or even subjection but I'd want it only to be for a period and to ultimately serve to confirm the importance of the Avengers' independent role as 'an elite group' as Quicksilver so memorably put it. Duane under Busiek's pen was interesting in having someone who loved the Avengers and got on with them but it all seemed too easy and reinforced the impression that I was reading a DC title rather than a Marvel one. It also made it seem that Gyrich and Sikorsky were just being scumbags rather than their interferences and friction with the team actually being a necessary part of their jobs. That rather undermines the drama.
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