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Post by Shiryu on Jan 15, 2014 20:01:00 GMT -5
And here we go, words barely manage to crawl their way out of one's mouth that new projects are born. Let's give the new AA board book club a round of applause. Book club? As in book club? How... how does it work? Each week, we take turns at indicating a classic story to read, be it either standalone or part of a bigger saga or an annual. We read it and then the following week we all come back here and comment/discuss it, to go wherever the conversation takes us. At the end of the discussion week, we repeat with another story, and so on. This means we would have about 14 days to read, comment and discuss, hopefully enough time to give everyone a chance to throw their 2 cents in. Obviously, reading times are just indicative and aren't meant to be taken too strictly, but two stories per month should be manageable by most of us. But... but I don't have the special story printed on the 2nd edition of the 3rd annual of All Winners Squad! How can I take part? Worry not, we'll try not to go too obscure, so that we hopefully all have the story in one format of another. Still, if there is any problem, drop me a private message and I'll do something, as I have nearly (nearly) everything in digital format by now. Is it Avengers only? I soo want to discuss Lockjaw's Amazing Adventures #16! Not too obscure!! But, other than that, not really. I think we should stick to Marvel, and obviously this is an Avengers board, but the sky is the limit (as long as Galactus doesn't place any barrier there). It's 2030, this book club has been incredibly succesfull for over 15 years... when you founded it I wasn't born yet! Can I still take part? Of course you can, the more the merrier. I'm in! I'm in! Who else is there? At the moment, in order of "registration", you have Humanbelly Yours truly Wundagoreborn Ultron69 Dr Bong in one of his several identities Spiderwasp Sharkar Marvel Boy Pym (anyone else who wants to join, just drop a line here. Starfoxxx, Spiderwasp, Woodside, Bobc... I'm looking at you ) Of course the list above doesn't make anything mandatory, this is all just for fun. I put it there because it's as good a way as any to decide in what order we are going to suggest stories to read so that no one gets left out. When do we start?? Right now. It's the 16th of January and I'll hand things over to HB to propose our first read.
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 15, 2014 22:03:16 GMT -5
And here we go, words barely manage to crawl their way out of one's mouth that new projects are born. Let's give the new AA board book club a round of applause. Book club? As in book club? How... how does it work? Each week, we take turns at indicating a classic story to read, be it either standalone or part of a bigger saga or an annual. We read it and then the following week we all come back here and comment/discuss it, to go wherever the conversation takes us. At the end of the discussion week, we repeat with another story, and so on. This means we would have about 14 days to read, comment and discuss, hopefully enough time to give everyone a chance to throw their 2 cents in. Obviously, reading times are just indicative and aren't meant to be taken too strictly, but two stories per month should be manageable by most of us. But... but I don't have the special story printed on the 2nd edition of the 3rd annual of All Winners Squad! How can I take part? Worry not, we'll try not to go too obscure, so that we hopefully all have the story in one format of another. Still, if there is any problem, drop me a private message and I'll do something, as I have nearly (nearly) everything in digital format by now. Is it Avengers only? I soo want to discuss Lockjaw's Amazing Adventures #16! Not too obscure!! But, other than that, not really. I think we should stick to Marvel, and obviously this is an Avengers board, but the sky is the limit (as long as Galactus doesn't place any barrier there). It's 2030, this book club has been incredibly succesfull for over 15 years... when you founded it I wasn't born yet! Can I still take part? Of course you can, the more the merrier. I'm in! I'm in! Who else is there? At the moment, in order of "registration", you have Humanbelly Yours truly Wundagoreborn Ultron69 Dr Bong in one of his several identities (anyone else who wants to join, just drop a line here. Starfoxxx, Spiderwasp, Woodside... I'm looking at you ) Of course the list above doesn't make anything mandatory, this is all just for fun. I put it there because it's as good a way as any to decide in what order we are going to suggest stories to read so that no one gets left out. When do we start?? Right now. It's the 16th of January and I'll hand things over to HB to propose our first read. *SSSPFFFFFFTTT!!!* (That would be the sound of me doing a spit-take. . . ) D'oh! Shir, you crafty devil, you caught me flat-footed-- well (as they say) played, sir-! My first thought would be Incredible Hulk #128 (Greenskin battles the brand-new Avengers team), but that's really more of a sentimental favorite, and also REALLY hard to find, I imagine. And I've just edited out a whole rafter of potential choices, including Avengers #23, #61, #100, and #190, and settled on. . . Defenders #13 & 14--! (The beginning of a rather Avenger-y team of Non-Avengers as they face off against Nebulon and the Wrecking Crew) Does that possibly work for you folks out there? Ha-- I'm possibly not the best to make a targeted choice like this, and am certainly happy to entertain substituting my other candidates, if so desired. Shiryu, whatcha think? Boy, I haven't had those issues out of the box in decades-! HB
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 15, 2014 22:23:32 GMT -5
D'oh! Shir, you crafty devil, you caught me flat-footed-- well (as they say) played, sir-! ;D Hulk #128 is indeed quite hard to find, but I do have Defenders #13 & #14 available digitally, so that's a green light as far as I'm concerned. Unless there are objections, Defenders 13 & 14 it is. Anyone who needs them, drop me a private message and I'll send them over via Dropbox or something else.
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Post by wundagoreborn on Jan 16, 2014 9:28:47 GMT -5
Outstanding! I'm very glad to see this fire up so quickly.
Kicking off an Avengers club with a Defenders read is just off-kilter enough to be perfect.
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Post by sharkar on Jan 16, 2014 11:31:18 GMT -5
Sounds like fun! Count me in too.
And Shiryu, yeah, I know I mentioned to you I did not have the time to contribute on a regular basis... but what the heck, I can still be--er, irregular! ;D
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 16, 2014 12:24:32 GMT -5
Sounds like fun! Count me in too. And Shiryu, yeah, I know I mentioned to you I did not have the time to contribute on a regular basis... but what the heck, I can still be--er, irregular! ;D That's the spirit!
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 16, 2014 21:50:27 GMT -5
[ I've just edited out a whole rafter of potential choices, including Avengers #23, #61, #100, and #190, and settled on. . . Defenders #13 & 14--! (The beginning of a rather Avenger-y team of Non-Avengers as they face off against Nebulon and the Wrecking Crew) Does that possibly work for you folks out there? Boy, I haven't had those issues out of the box in decades-! HB Hoo-boy! And in those intervening decades, I did indeed muddle my villains a bit. This is the story I was thinking of. . . but it's the Squadron Sinister on hand, not the Wrecking Crew. The WC pops up about 4 issues later. Considering a major event that transpires, I still can't believe I made that mistake--! HB (shamefaced)
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 17, 2014 9:33:54 GMT -5
Sounds terrific, I'm in as well. (Oops! Though I do need the assistance Shar. PM sent. )
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Post by ultron69 on Jan 17, 2014 10:28:27 GMT -5
I'm in! I'm in! Who else is there? At the moment, in order of "registration", you have Humanbelly Yours truly Wundagoreborn Ultron69 Dr Bong in one of his several identities Spiderwasp Sharkar (anyone else who wants to join, just drop a line here. Starfoxxx, Spiderwasp, Woodside, Bobc... I'm looking at you ) Humanbelly - first in war, first in peace, first in the hearts of his countrymen, and first in the AA board book club!
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Post by ultron69 on Jan 17, 2014 10:31:41 GMT -5
I don't have Hulk #128 (sounds like a good one though) but luckily I've got Defenders #13 & 14 in my Essential Defenders, so as long as no one discusses how great the coloring is, I'm in.
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Post by pym on Jan 17, 2014 16:28:31 GMT -5
I have always felt that the early Defenders had that same feel as the team that was shown in Avengers #61 - #62. I followed them for about the first 70 issues or so with great gladness. You may count me in, please.
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 17, 2014 16:31:12 GMT -5
Welcome in, guys!
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 17, 2014 21:50:08 GMT -5
I'm in! I'm in! Who else is there? At the moment, in order of "registration", you have Humanbelly Yours truly Wundagoreborn Ultron69 Dr Bong in one of his several identities Spiderwasp Sharkar (anyone else who wants to join, just drop a line here. Starfoxxx, Spiderwasp, Woodside, Bobc... I'm looking at you ) Humanbelly - first in war, first in peace, first in the hearts of his countrymen, and first in the AA board book club! Heh- and leave us not forget: first in line at the buffet. . . ;D HB
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 17, 2014 21:58:54 GMT -5
I have always felt that the early Defenders had that same feel as the team that was shown in Avengers #61 - #62. \. That is a particularly apt observation, pym. It hadn't occurred to me, but it's particularly true w/ #61. Dr. Strange is in both, Black Knight's winged horse is in both (!), Black Knight was an Avenger that loomed large as a plot device in the Defenders, Hawkeye was an Avenger who later had a stint w/ the Defenders, and the team in #61 was definitely thrown together, not yet an integrated & trained fighting squad at all. Boy, and that whole metaphysical Fire/Ice threat could have been right out of the early Defenders-! HB
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Post by ultron69 on Jan 20, 2014 7:56:26 GMT -5
OK, I managed to read Defenders 13 & 14 this weekend, so here goes.
First off, anything with the Squadron Supreme has got to be good. Also, I’m’ probably in the minority, but I like Namor’s costume here. I don’t know what the “wings” under his arms are for, but I think this is far more regal and more fitting for a prince of Atlantis (I love how he refers to himself as “Prince Namor the first” in #14) than a pair of green swimming trunks. I don’t think this is Nighthawk’s best look, though. The beak and super long eyebrows have got to go. Luckily they did. Further visual comment – Nebulon is really cool looking.
It’s a shame that my favorite Defender, the Silver Surfer, had recently left for good a couple of issues ago.
Good, solid Sal Buscema/Klaus Jansen art. Sometimes Sal’s faces bother me, but mostly good stuff here.
Down to the story. Typical Marvel superhero “attack first and ask questions later” approach as Val & the Hulk attack Nighthawk. I do like the “lettuce lips” comment, though. At least it’s a change from “jade jaws”. Dr. Strange has to do what Reed Richards and Cap have so often had to do with their groups and be the only one with a cool head. Interesting that early on, Hulk seemed pretty angry at “dumb magician” but by this issue has been won over by Strange, and considers him a friend. I guess there’s no other way to keep this “non-team” alive than to have them be able to tolerate each other’s presence, though. Also, with all of these serious folks in the group, the Hulk is about the only source of humor. I did like his line to Nebulon to the effect of “let me out of this bubble so I can smash you”.
Gotta love the plot. Hey, Nebulon, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. I wonder if anyone knew about global warming back when this was written, because this is global warming in a hurry! I was wondering why the Defenders didn’t simply destroy the laser cannon rather than attack the Supremors, but of course it turned out to be just as well that they didn’t.
Ah, the old fatal flaw of the supervillain, letting the good guys live when you’ve got them dead to rights. Shame on you, Hyperion! At least Hyperion gives a decent reason for it, though. I was a bit surprised that Dr. Strange couldn’t get out of Nebulon’s bubble. What happened to his ability to teleport? But at least they came up with the old “combine our forces in one spot” idea.
Nebulon comes from a race of geologists? That is one powerful group of geologists! And the others must be even powerful than him, since he’s the only one that’s failed in his objective. I’m not sure why all three Supremors needed to man that laser cannon, other than to allow Nebulon to have to fight the Defenders all by himself. It was a nice surprise ending. I was even surprised again by Nebulon’s true form, as I had forgotten about it! I had been wondering why on earth Nebulon wanted the earth flooded when he was supposedly after minerals, but our plot twist explained that nicely.
All in all, a nice, fun, Bronge Age read. Good solid artwork, some great battle scenes between the Defenders and the Squadron Supreme, a bit of humor between the Hulk and the whole buying the earth thing (plus coocoo for Cocoa Puffs Whizzer) and a bit of a twist at the end.
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 20, 2014 19:29:29 GMT -5
Like Ultron, I've also made the best of my weekend and read this story for what could have been the first time ever. I remember seeing Nebulon elsewhere, but everything else felt new, making it all the more enjoyable. So, the Defenders. I must admit that, as far as groups go, I've never really been into them. I like most of them as individuals, co-stars, villains even, but as a group of heroes they don't seem to mix. Then again, this is probably the point. BTW, does anyone (HB, I'm looking at you ) know why it's always Hulk and never Banner with them? They are still one and the same, right? And yet Hulk is rather calm at the beginning of the book, but hasn't reverted back to BB The opening sequence is rather goofy... someone comes in asking for help and two of the strongest beings on the planet try to smash him. And of course Nighthaws mops the floor with them, just to show how good a Defender he will be. Kind of reminds me of Mantis' first appearance, KOing Thor with her leg hold or something. *shudder* And the failsafe "get near an Avenger and you turn into a ghost" is even goofier. The rest is good fun, though. I've always liked the Squadron Sinister or the Squadron Supreme, so I enjoyed seeing them in action, shortlived as it was. These are the same guys who will eventually show up in Avengers Annual 8, right? Nebulon himself has a great look and interesting powers. Not the most memorable of villains, but not too cliched either. Speaking of visuals, I'm not Sal Buscema's biggest fan - and indeed at times his Hyperion looks overweight rather than muscular - but he surely knows how to draw a crazy Hulk better than many others. I also like his Strange and Namor, but Val seems somewhat off... perhaps her lips are a bit too full? Speaking of Val, she was kind of superflous in this story, wasn't she. Didn't even have a member of the Squadron to clobber. I agree on both accounts. Atlanteans usually wear long dresses, so having their prince parade around naked never made too much sense. I don't know who's the creator of this costume, but it's simple enough to look elegant. I also like the shape of Nightwings' cape, makes it different enough from all the others. But the beak is nearly as bad as Iron Man's armor with a nose.
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 20, 2014 22:31:35 GMT -5
Oh, what a hoot to rediscover this title at this particular point in its run. Here's the thing-- up until this point, the Defenders had been an extremely off-beat group who tended to go up against mystical, magical, metaphysical-type threats. Including demonic forces and the odd Asgardians. And Xemnu the Titan who kind of defies a category (Is he an alien? Is he a magical hypnotic troll? Is he a plush toy?). The Avengers/Defenders War right before this sort of crossed them over into a more mainstream role. . . and this story put them up against a much more "traditional" bronze-age type of foe (or foes). And with the subsequent addition of Team-Guy Nighthawk (and the exit of scowling, prickly, resentful, arrogant Namor), this "non"-team of course became, for all intents and purposes, another regular ol' superteam--- just w/out the formal Roberts Rules of Order and parliamentary procedure and all that. A team, in fact, that would have far more appeal to an adolescent kid who might be sick and tired of the pointless, boring rules and restrictions and routines that had to be born on a daily basis.
I'll hold off on further deeper observations at the moment (getting kinda late-- big snowstorm coming in the morning, apparently)-- but let me answer a couple of questions that you guys (Ultron & Shiryu) touched on:
-- Yep, Banner does indeed appear from time to time in the Defenders-- you even get the sense (I think) that he and Steven became friends. But you weren't the first to comment on the fact that it seems to be all-Hulk, all-the-time. . . and why the heck doesn't he just change back when he's not angry? This was actually an inconsistency throughout Greenskin's mag, as well. He would find some place to fit in as the Hulk, and time would pass, and he'd obviously be doing just fine. . . . and still remain the Hulk. In #137 he's even shown laying in a bunk, at rest (!). The answer, of course, is that The Incredible Dr Banner isn't who we're really buying the book to see, so rationalizations were made every now and then about heightened levels of gamma radiation in the blood, etc, etc. You just expect to roll with it, in the long run.
-- Namor's water-circulatory suit? I always rather liked it, too. It was designed by Reed, and was necessary to keep Namor sane and, ultimately, alive. The "wings" actually were part of the water circulation system that kept his biochemistry in balance. There's a chilling moment in GSDefenders #3 or 4 where that system gets busted to pieces in battle. . . and Namor knows he's done-for.
--Poor Val (who's been on the team since issue #4) doesn't even make the cover in either of these two issues. Good heavens-- glass ceiling much?
--This really is the point where we do start to see the personalities gel for this team. It takes the addition of the average, everyday millionaire playboy Everyman to give us "human" readers an observation point to watch from.
More (quite likely) tomorrow, teammates-!
HB
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 20, 2014 22:35:44 GMT -5
I hope I would not be perceived as a jerk if I offered that Tana Nile and I have reviews of these two issues over at the Bronze Age Babies blog. You can click the link below, and then click on the "Library of Reviews" link when you get to the blog. Leave a comment if you feel so inclined.
I think it's great that this thread has sprung up, and I hope it takes hold. This board has needed some rejuvenation for years, and this might just be the solution! I hope you'll find that this will become something like hanging around the comic shop, chatting up the proprietor and the regulars.
Best,
Doug
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Post by ultron69 on Jan 21, 2014 8:34:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the answers to our questions, HB. I'd also had Shiryu's question about all-Hulk, all the time. I do now seem to vaguely recall Namor's "wings" getting torn off in that fight you mention.
Another thing I meant to mention is that Valkrie seemed to get more powerful as the series progressed, perhaps as some of the heavy hitters (Surfer, then Namor, then, much later, Dr. Strange) left the group and there was more of a need for an additional heavyweight on the team.
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Post by sharkar on Jan 21, 2014 14:51:41 GMT -5
I have always felt that the early Defenders had that same feel as the team that was shown in Avengers #61 - #62. I agree with HB-- this is an excellent point, pym! ...I don't know who's the creator of this costume, but it's simple enough to look elegant. You want a simple and elegant Namor? Okay, how about this? ;D And while Reed did indeed devise Namor's new costume (of which I am not a huge fan--but more on that when I actually read/comment on these stories), I took Shiryu's "creator" question here to mean who the Marvel artist/creator was who designed Namor's new look. So if you were wondering who the artist was, Shiryu, it was none other than Jazzy Johnny (Romita Sr.!).
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Post by wundagoreborn on Jan 21, 2014 15:46:22 GMT -5
This was definitely my first time reading these books. I loved team books when I was starting out reading comics (the 40 cent days) and I read Defenders for a while. But since, as I've mentioned else-thread, I have never been a fan of the Hulk I never really clicked on the book. When I discovered X-Men, I switched teams and never looked back.
Apparently, I missed a bit since these issues were great fun. I never knew how Nighthawk had joined the team, or even that he was a reformed villain. In the era I recall, they were living at his mansion and he was the glue that held the team sorta together. His beak was awful, but his conversion enjoyable to read. I really loved that Hulk immediately had such a great and lasting nickname for him.
Who is this Whizzer? Any relationship to the Liberty Legion, All-Winners character of the same name? If so, this was an odd point in his story.
The bit where Nebulon is a humanoid projection hiding an alien scientist is SO Star Trek. This is what I love about that comic universes that were born out of the Silver Age - they are such delightful mashups of sci fi, fantasy, mystery, monster movies, mythology, you name it. The elements are so disparate, so it's amazing that what pours out of the genre-blender is so tasty.
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Post by wundagoreborn on Jan 21, 2014 15:50:41 GMT -5
Tana Nile and I have reviews of these two issues over at the Bronze Age Babies blog. Thanks! Look forward to reading them. w
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 21, 2014 18:18:19 GMT -5
I had forgotten that Len Wein was the DEFENDERS writer at this point, which explains why the Hulk does sound so comfortably like himself here, as Len was (I'm pretty sure) writing both titles at this point. And Len's Hulk is one of my favorites-- he really gets how Greenskin thinks and speaks. Man, though, if anyone was a worthy heir to Stan's old "Make it fast and fun and talk like you mean it and don't stop to see if it makes any real sense" style of seat-of-the-pants story-rendering, it's Lively Len right here! The whole thing is, yes, an all-you-can-eat nitpicker's buffet-- no doubt. Heh-- but y'know, I didn't care a whillisker, because it really is fun-- verging on almost a golden-age level of implausibility, but with a fine veneer of solid bronze age art and scripting to carry it over. And it really does have kind of an Avenger-y feel to it, regardless. A squad of evil super-baddies and an interplanetary alien threat with a doomsday device-- just another day in the MU.
My goodness, Shar-- that young Namor was a dapper one, wasn't he? Such a sharp-dressed man!
Wundy, that is indeed a different Whizzer-- not related to Bob Frank, other than usurping the aged speedster's code-name. He seemed particularly more insane here than maybe I re-called him being in Avengers #76. . . but I'm pretty sure that's the guy.
HB
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 21, 2014 20:46:27 GMT -5
Oh, what a hoot to rediscover this title at this particular point in its run. Here's the thing-- up until this point, the Defenders had been an extremely off-beat group who tended to go up against mystical, magical, metaphysical-type threats. Including demonic forces and the odd Asgardians. And Xemnu the Titan who kind of defies a category (Is he an alien? Is he a magical hypnotic troll? Is he a plush toy?). The Avengers/Defenders War right before this sort of crossed them over into a more mainstream role. . . and this story put them up against a much more "traditional" bronze-age type of foe (or foes). And with the subsequent addition of Team-Guy Nighthawk (and the exit of scowling, prickly, resentful, arrogant Namor), this "non"-team of course became, for all intents and purposes, another regular ol' superteam--- just w/out the formal Roberts Rules of Order and parliamentary procedure and all that. Ook, I had totally missed shift. I remember several less powerful heroes like Beast, Daredevil and so on eventually became part of the Defenders for short stints, but it hadn't occurred to me that it had all begun with Nightwing. Any speculation for the reason behind this change? Poor sales? Creative decisions? A need to depower the team? It must have been difficult to regularly find foes for a group sporting Silver Surfer, Hulk, Dr. Strange and Namor. I suppose it makes sense, a bit like Thor's human identity occasionally being forgotten for months at the time. Was Bruce Banner ever particularly popular? He is kind of the cheerleader desperately dancing to keep the public entertained before the real game begins... Thank you, Shar. I did indeed wondered who had designed his new look, although it's also interesting to learn the in-story creator had been Reed. Your pic is from the Golden Age I assume? So bizarre to see him in a suit, and talking like a regular guy ("Betty, honey,..."). Just a coincidence she looks a bit like Sue Richards with all that blonde hair? The "old sea-dog" is consistent ;D
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Post by ultron69 on Jan 22, 2014 9:08:58 GMT -5
Wundy, that is indeed a different Whizzer-- not related to Bob Frank, other than usurping the aged speedster's code-name. He seemed particularly more insane here than maybe I re-called him being in Avengers #76. . . but I'm pretty sure that's the guy. HB I thought the Whizzer's insanity here was a lot of fun!
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Post by ultron69 on Jan 22, 2014 9:11:11 GMT -5
I suppose it makes sense, a bit like Thor's human identity occasionally being forgotten for months at the time. Was Bruce Banner ever particularly popular? He is kind of the cheerleader desperately dancing to keep the public entertained before the real game begins... Especially in the movies. "C'mon, Hulk out already!!"
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Post by ultron69 on Jan 22, 2014 9:14:35 GMT -5
This was definitely my first time reading these books. I loved team books when I was starting out reading comics (the 40 cent days) and I read Defenders for a while. But since, as I've mentioned else-thread, I have never been a fan of the Hulk I never really clicked on the book. When I discovered X-Men, I switched teams and never looked back. Did you collect Defenders when they brought all of the ex-X-Men on board? I'd only had a couple issues of the Defenders (issue numbers in the 70's) but I started collecting when the Beast, Angel, & Iceman joined. I was such an X-Zombie at that point...
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Post by sharkar on Jan 22, 2014 15:24:42 GMT -5
Your pic is from the Golden Age I assume? So bizarre to see him in a suit, and talking like a regular guy ("Betty, honey,..."). Just a coincidence she looks a bit like Sue Richards with all that blonde hair? The "old sea-dog" is consistent ;D Hi Shiryu, the image is post-Golden Age; it's from Young Men #24, which ushered in the 1953 (short-lived) relaunch of Timely/Atlas's big three superheroes--Cap, the original Human Torch, and Subby. And you're so right about Namor's weakness for blondes : Betty Dean was his 1940s and 1950s "friend"...and then there's Sue!
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Post by sharkar on Jan 22, 2014 15:29:40 GMT -5
-- Namor's water-circulatory suit? I always rather liked it, too. LOL, something about the way you worded your assessment--okay, it was the words themselves! ;D--and all the talk about Namor, new costumes and so on, made me think of this similar exchange from FF #387:
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Post by spiderwasp on Jan 22, 2014 16:18:04 GMT -5
First off, anything with the Squadron Supreme has got to be good. Not to be argumentative, but this was actually the Squadron Sinister, not Supreme. I love the Squadron Supreme though, so I agree with your statement. I've even said before that the Squadron Supreme limited series is my all-time favorite comic book story. The whole Sinister/Supreme thing still confuses me though. However, this story had an interesting connection to that limited series though, in my mind. In that story, the Squadron has a plan and Nighthawk is the only member that is opposed. He pulls out and gets help to resist what the rest of the team is trying to do. Here, this Nighthawk does the same thing. It shows a nice consistency in the character of Kyle Richmond. No matter what Earh he's from or whether he's linked with heroes or villains, he remains an independent thinker. I am actually in the camp that liked Namor's costume. It looked liked something a prince might wear. I've always thought it was strange that the other Atlanteans wore more clothes and Namor just stuck to a bathing suit - a surface world expectation of what someone would wear to swim. Never thought that was a proper look for someone with his importance and nobility. I've always been amused at the amount of dialogue people manage to say in an incredibly short time. In #13, Namor throws the Whizzer and then says "Eh? The Speedster twists his body in mid-air --negating the force of my throw--and now rushes towards me at blinding speed" to which Whizzer replies "And when I reach you Fish-man -- you're not gonna have time to regret it." For Pete's sake, if Whizzer is as fast as he's supposed to be, all there should have been time for was "Eh?" If there was this much time, Namor should have been able to move out of the way. This happened frequently in comics and always annoyed me. Overall, I enjoyed this story and the Defenders in general. I wish the team could make a successful resurgence.
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