Uncanny Avengers #9

[Shiryu]

I know I'm repeating myself but... this series keeps getting better and better.

SPOILER ALERT

not only we get some great character interaction (including a lovely, albeit short, exchange between Simon and Beast), but we also have Cap and Janet *finally* reminding the world that Avengers don't kill.
Although I personally agree with Thor's stance on the matter, it's a refreshing attitude by Steve and one that fits right in what we have been discussing in the "low points" thread. It's also touching to see Logan's body language in that scene and when talking to Rogue, it shows how much he values being an Avenger.

The philosophical confrontation between Rogue and Wanda in the training session is just the icing on the cake. Whichever side one agrees with, both make valid and reasonable points, be them logic or anger-driven.

[tomspasic]

On one level I welcome Cap's speech.
But on another level it makes no sense at all. He and Stark specifically bought Wolverine in to "do the things we cannot do", and unless they meant "not be tall enough for rides at Disneyland" I'm thinking they meant killing.
And he's been killing, since the very start, without it bothering Cap.
So this new morality seems inconsistent with the inconsistent morality of the Bendis Decade, where everybody was fine with killing.
But yeah, it's a fairly good read, with some interesting stuff, but still waaaay too Apocolypse-centric for my taste.
I look forward to seeing a different "arc" without that particular source of personal tedium.

[Marvel Boy]

Jun 21, 2013 11:32:08 GMT -5 tomspasic said:

And he's been killing, since the very start, without it bothering Cap.
So this new morality seems inconsistent with the inconsistent morality of the Bendis Decade, where everybody was fine with killing.

Well, that just shows the inherent contradiction of the Bendis era. One of the Avengers primary rules has always been 'We-Do-Not-Kill' yet Logan was brought onto the team to handle this very issue because the bad guys have gotten more severe, we must respond in kind. Instead of taking the moral high road (as one would think Cap would do) and saying, 'we will not sink to their level, we can and will do better than use that last resort'.

So, I thought Cap's speech was a total indictment of the Bendis Era. Now, this was brought on by their learning that Logan lead a assassination squad under orders from Cyclops (detailed in Remender's Uncanny X-Force title) and had killed not only Archangel, but a small boy who was a potential heir to Apocalypse.

While I thought it strange that Steve would think that Logan had foregone killing, his whole attack of how Logan's actions would impact the team's reputation and actions seemed fully justified.

Wanda and Rogue's discussion was good as well. Unlike the metaphysical musings of Hickman's team(s), here is a solid discussion of issues and conflicts that have plagued the MU for decades. Well done.