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Post by humanbelly on Jul 22, 2013 14:06:25 GMT -5
I liked Nebula in the Roger Stern, Monica Rambeau in another galaxy story, and I thought she was pretty good in the story from around 1990 where Spider-Man joined the Avengers for about 5 minutes but yeah, she has kinda been all over the place as a character, hasn't she? Well, and she never seemed like a "new" character, y'know? She was so poorly explained and defined in her first appearance that I assumed she was an extant character, and that other folks must already know who she is/was. And then she got VERY muddled for me because she looks exactly like Dr. Minerva from Captain Marvel & (later) Quasar, and I know that I confused them for each other later on. Hmm. Perhaps Graviton & Minerva could face off against Count Nefaria and Nebula--- Oo! Or maybe there's a wild Cosmic Avengers-based adaptation of COMEDY OF ERRORS waiting to be hatched from that nest! The women could be the dominant Antipholus masters, and the fellows could be the hapless Dromio servants. . . HB
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 23, 2013 7:31:30 GMT -5
An Avengers and Shakespeare mash-up? HB, you are a genius!
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Post by spiderwasp on Jul 23, 2013 10:00:53 GMT -5
An Avengers and Shakespeare mash-up? HB, you are a genius! lol. I always wanted to see them do a "Midsummer Nights Dream" parody with the whole Quicksilver, Crystal, Black Knight Sersi thing. Sersi's Eternal buddy, Sprite, could be the Puck character and decide to give the Black Knight a potion to make her fall for him but he accidently gives it to Pietro instead and he falls for Sersi. Let the comedy begin.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jul 23, 2013 10:13:56 GMT -5
Hey, don't feel bad HB, if this wasn't focusing on the Enchantress, I'd miss her completely too on #38. As for #7, so many things hilariously wrong with this picture, but who is that standing behind Cap?? I can't even tell by squinting. I think. . . I think it might be. . . Rick Jones? That was still in the "Why CAN'T I be an Avenger, Cap? Daggone it, it's NOT FAIR!" phase of Rick's career. As Sharkar once so succinctly put it: "Because you have no superpowers, you idiot-!" (I may be paraphrasing a bit. . .my apologies, Shar!). Rick was still a steady presence on & around the team, and IIRC he and his Teen Brigade were really the only reason Kang was initially defeated (or was it Immortus. . . or perhaps Count Nefaria. . . ?). His cover appearances, though, almost seem to occur grudgingly, and this could well be one of the few he had. . . HB Rick Jones......that's something else that's never occurred to me till it was pointed out here, Rick's appearances on the covers. Given his importance to the history of the group, I'm surprised that it's been so few. Of course, this may not even count as one. For he would have to be recognizable in order to count, right? ;D
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jul 23, 2013 10:22:11 GMT -5
An Avengers and Shakespeare mash-up? HB, you are a genius! Well, you're already halfway there given Thor's normal tone of speech. Wanda could do Hamlet's soliloquy: To be a mutant or not to be a mutant, that is Bendis' question: Whether 'tis nobler in making more money to suffer the Slings and Arrows of outraged Fanboys, Or to take Hexes against a Sea of Mis-Characterization, and by opposing indifferent writers, end them.......
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Post by Doctor Bong Crosby on Jul 23, 2013 14:00:33 GMT -5
"Life´s but a walking shadow, a Sentry That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by Bendis, full of angst and decompression, Signifying nothing." (With a thousand apologies to the Bard).
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 23, 2013 17:34:18 GMT -5
Really, my hat is off to both of you--- nicely done! Y'know, John of Gaunt's speech about England in Richard II (I just looked it up) is particularly apt fodder for this treatment. . . but geeze, one would have to maintain the iambic pentameter, which would be murder. . .
Hey, and leave us not forget that beloved Volstagg himself, of course, is a direct and admitted swipe of Shakespeare's John Falstaff. . . and was a fantastic interpretation (continuance?) of that character from the get-go. Stan probably never got enough credit for that, IMO (as well as for the fact that he had a better facility for using that Elizabethan English correctly than almost any other writer--- although I imagine Roy the English teacher probably had a solid grasp of it as well. Did he ever write Thor?).
Boy, the wildest of tangents ever, eh? ;D
HB
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Post by sharkar on Jul 23, 2013 19:56:44 GMT -5
I think. . . I think it might be. . . Rick Jones? That was still in the "Why CAN'T I be an Avenger, Cap? Daggone it, it's NOT FAIR!" phase of Rick's career. As Sharkar once so succinctly put it: "Because you have no superpowers, you idiot-!" (I may be paraphrasing a bit. . .my apologies, Shar!). LOL!!!!! Guilty as charged, HB (so, no apology necessary!). Yes, I guess I was kind of hard on the poor kid. Ah well, what else can I say now, except--in keeping with the recent direction of this thread---Alas, poor Rick! ;D You know, including #7, the Rickster actually appeared on 4 consecutive Avengers covers back in the day (one of which, #5, Spiderwasp had already posted back on page 2 of this titanic thread): But that was it for a while in terms of Rick on Avengers covers...that is, until this issue hit the stands.
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 24, 2013 7:11:54 GMT -5
An Avengers and Shakespeare mash-up? HB, you are a genius! lol. I always wanted to see them do a "Midsummer Nights Dream" parody with the whole Quicksilver, Crystal, Black Knight Sersi thing. Sersi's Eternal buddy, Sprite, could be the Puck character and decide to give the Black Knight a potion to make her fall for him but he accidently gives it to Pietro instead and he falls for Sersi. Let the comedy begin. I like it. We could also do a Henry IV with Thor as Henry V, Odin as Henry IV, and of course HB, I mean Volstagg, as Falstaff.
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 24, 2013 7:13:03 GMT -5
Dr. Bong and Marvel Boy, I didn't know we had such literary talent in our midst!
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Post by spiderwasp on Jul 24, 2013 22:47:50 GMT -5
I haven't added any new villains in a few days but it's nice to see our bizarre tangent kept this thread moving along anyway. I'm glad I had skipped over one of the prime Avengers villains this long because the recent movie talk makes the perfect time to spotlight ULTRON! As a matter of fact, I think it could be argued that Ultron is THE Avengers villain. It's easy with some books. Obviously Dr. Doom is the #1 enemy of the FF and Magneto for the X-Men (When he's not a member lol) but it's a little harder for the Avengers. Good arguments could be made for either Ultron or Kang. Kang, if I'm not mistaken was the first original character introduced in the book. He has menaced the team in many ways for years. His involvement in the Celestial Madonna and Avengers Forever storylines alone could qualify him. On the other hand, even though Ultron wasn't introduced for a few more years, he was created by a member. He, in turn, created more members (Vision/Jocasta) and enemies (Alchema) and has allied himself with even more (Grim Reaper.) He, like Kang, has returned many times. His rampage in Slorenia is hard to ignore. What are other people's thought's? Which one is the prime Avengers villain? Or is someone else altogether? Anyway, enough rambling - on with the covers! There are a lot of good covers to choose from here. I'm not sure if I'm choosing this one because I'm a fan of the Wasp or just because it's a nice cover but I do like it. There's just something about this one that I like. I think it's the menacing contrast between the brightness of Ultron's body and the blackness. A strong image from an interesting perspective
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 25, 2013 9:12:24 GMT -5
Dr. Bong and Marvel Boy, I didn't know we had such literary talent in our midst! Adapted from John of Gaunt's England speech (much of which was able to stay word-for-word intact. . . how about that?) As a Watcher lays dying in his refuge on Earth's MoonUATU'S LAMENTMankind’s primordial womb, this marbled sphere, This Earth of majesty, this seat of gods, This other Eden, this teeming paradise, This fortress carved by Nature, Man, and more, ‘Gainst the tide of Kree, Skrull, and Shi’ar hordes, This happy breed of men, this little world, This azure stone, set in the pitch-night sky, Which serves all creation as sturdy gate, As barricade, as wall, as nexus point, Against the envy of less happier worlds, This blessed ball, this Earth, this Dimension, Whose native men, yet base or king they be, Fear’d for what portends, famous for what has passed, Renowned for their deeds as far from home, For self-lessness, bravery, and honour, Minute in size, yet turn’d back Galactus, Thwarted Kang, halted oft Creation’s scourge, This world of such dear souls, this dear, dear world, Dear for her reputation ‘cross the Cosmos, Has since vanished, I die pronouncing it, Like a firework burst or a dwindling sun, Earth-616, remote yet vital still, Whose belov’d champions stemmed the envious siege, Of myriad ‘Vaders, is now bound with shame, With callow heroes, and hist’ry long undone: This Universe that once inspired masses, Hath made a shameful conquest of itself. Ah, would the scandal vanish with my life, How happy then were my ensuing death! The broken Watcher diesAhh- so dark, though. As a brighter end-note, how about Hawkeye and Mockingbird as Kate & Petrucchio in TAMING OF THE SHREW, eh? Good stuff, yes? HB
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Post by Doctor Bong Crosby on Jul 25, 2013 13:01:27 GMT -5
I´m speechless... Bravo! But you know you just made your life more complicated, Belly. Now you know we´re gonna ask you to do "Hamlet", err. "Thor, Prince of Asgard".
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 25, 2013 14:47:43 GMT -5
I´m speechless... Bravo! But you know you just made your life more complicated, Belly. Now you know we´re gonna ask you to do "Hamlet", err. "Thor, Prince of Asgard". Ha! That might be a tough row to hoe, there, Bong-- while the Thunder God has many distinctive personal traits, crippling introspection and indecisiveness ain't really amongst them, y'know? ;D The play would last pretty much one page past the scene between Hamlet & his Father's Ghost, lasting only as long as it would take for Claudius to hastily gurgle out a confession during a pause in the whoop-behind that Thor would immediately be laying down upon him. . . . . . boy, a MUCH lower body-count, all things considered. . . HB
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 29, 2013 12:44:09 GMT -5
HB, I think you might be our resident poet laureate after that!
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Post by sharkar on Aug 6, 2013 18:32:51 GMT -5
You know, looking at this famous cover again, it occurs to me that Pietro and the Enchantress have very similar looks. Granted, it's mostly their coloring, but it's also because the shape of Pietro's hair is echoed in Amora's tiara. IMO she seems more suited--visually, at least--to be Pietro's twin or sibling than Wanda does! ;D
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 10, 2013 6:59:03 GMT -5
You know, looking at this famous cover again, it occurs to me that Pietro and the Enchantress have very similar looks. Granted, it's mostly their coloring, but it's also because the shape of Pietro's hair is echoed in Amora's tiara. IMO she seems more suited--visually, at least--to be Pietro's twin or sibling than Wanda does! ;D My goodness, that's all we need-- yet ANOTHER previously-undisclosed element to be added to the hopelessly convoluted goings-on on that one eventful night up there on Wundagore Mountain!!! ;D Hmm- the Asgardian pantheon does seem to be missing the requisite speedster, though. Perhaps Pietro was also "reborn" down on Midgard in order to learn humility, or something. Yeesh, or patience? Or tolerance? Seems to be takin' a bit longer than one would hope. . . (Hmm-- perhaps he's Loki's offspring???) And there's our boy Rick on the cover again! Yep, the whole brown jacket w/ shirt & tie was clearly his "uniform". 'Cause, y'know, every down-on-his-luck teenage orphan in the 60's went around w/ a necktie as part of his daily attire. . . heh. . . HB
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Post by Marvel Boy on Aug 26, 2013 23:49:52 GMT -5
Really, my hat is off to both of you--- nicely done! Y'know, John of Gaunt's speech about England in Richard II (I just looked it up) is particularly apt fodder for this treatment. . . but geeze, one would have to maintain the iambic pentameter, which would be murder. . . Hey, and leave us not forget that beloved Volstagg himself, of course, is a direct and admitted swipe of Shakespeare's John Falstaff. . . and was a fantastic interpretation (continuance?) of that character from the get-go. Stan probably never got enough credit for that, IMO (as well as for the fact that he had a better facility for using that Elizabethan English correctly than almost any other writer--- although I imagine Roy the English teacher probably had a solid grasp of it as well. Did he ever write Thor?). Boy, the wildest of tangents ever, eh? ;D HB Thomas wrote a fill-in issue or two of Thor between the end of Conway's run and Wein coming onboard. When Wein left later on, Thomas wrote Thor from #272-278, #280. Terrific job on Uatu's Lament. Great stuff there. ;D Wow, not only can I barely recognize Rick on those covers, but he's wearing the same lousy clothes. Brown coat, drab slacks, and a tie. Ugh.
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 28, 2013 21:00:32 GMT -5
Really, my hat is off to both of you--- nicely done! Y'know, John of Gaunt's speech about England in Richard II (I just looked it up) is particularly apt fodder for this treatment. . . but geeze, one would have to maintain the iambic pentameter, which would be murder. . . Hey, and leave us not forget that beloved Volstagg himself, of course, is a direct and admitted swipe of Shakespeare's John Falstaff. . . and was a fantastic interpretation (continuance?) of that character from the get-go. Stan probably never got enough credit for that, IMO (as well as for the fact that he had a better facility for using that Elizabethan English correctly than almost any other writer--- although I imagine Roy the English teacher probably had a solid grasp of it as well. Did he ever write Thor?). Boy, the wildest of tangents ever, eh? ;D HB Thomas wrote a fill-in issue or two of Thor between the end of Conway's run and Wein coming onboard. When Wein left later on, Thomas wrote Thor from #272-278, #280. Terrific job on Uatu's Lament. Great stuff there. ;D Wow, not only can I barely recognize Rick on those covers, but he's wearing the same lousy clothes. Brown coat, drab slacks, and a tie. Ugh. I know, I KNOW I'm beating a dead clothes-horse, here, but I'm still just dumbfounded by Rick's jacket. What the heck was it? It's sort of cut like a suit jacket/sport jacket in the collar and lapels--- but the length is like a leather jacket of windbreaker--- and the brown color makes it look like neither of those, really. Nor is it a bomber jacket-- again, wrong collar & lapels. Y'know, I do think Jack just up-and-designed a wholly original jacket to act as Rick's "uniform". And the necktie. . . always with the necktie. . . HB
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 28, 2013 21:07:38 GMT -5
[Thomas wrote a fill-in issue or two of Thor between the end of Conway's run and Wein coming onboard. When Wein left later on, Thomas wrote Thor from #272-278, #280. . Wow, so he really hardly ever touched Thor at all, then, eh? That's interesting. My gut feeling is that Roy would have had a pretty good facility for that book. . . especially with the Asgardian end of things. Thor's the one book that could potentially have some tonal similarities to Conan. I imagine there were only so many books he could really juggle and still give proper service to. Kinda too bad. . . it would be nice to talk about a Classic Roy Thomas run on that book. . . HB
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Post by ultron69 on Sept 11, 2013 9:40:03 GMT -5
I think you're right about Roy on Thor, HB. He majored in History and English in college and I have a hunch he'd really get into the mythology aspect of Thor. Plus, Roy's good on just about anything.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Sept 22, 2013 11:57:47 GMT -5
I think you're right about Roy on Thor, HB. He majored in History and English in college and I have a hunch he'd really get into the mythology aspect of Thor. Plus, Roy's good on just about anything. Oh, he did. In the original Norse myths, Thor has red-hair and a beard. Whom Thomas introduced in a short two, three part story!
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Post by ultron69 on Sept 23, 2013 6:53:53 GMT -5
I think you're right about Roy on Thor, HB. He majored in History and English in college and I have a hunch he'd really get into the mythology aspect of Thor. Plus, Roy's good on just about anything. Oh, he did. In the original Norse myths, Thor has red-hair and a beard. Whom Thomas introduced in a short two, three part story! Nice find, Marvel Boy. I'll have to pick those up!
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Post by sharkar on Sept 23, 2013 10:55:02 GMT -5
Oh, he did. In the original Norse myths, Thor has red-hair and a beard. Whom Thomas introduced in a short two, three part story! Hey, wonder if inveterate comic book fan Roy had read this classic from 1961? ;D
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Post by ultron69 on Sept 24, 2013 13:09:32 GMT -5
Oh, speaking of Roy Thomas and a red bearded Thor, he also oversaw a red bearded Thor in an issue of All-Star Squadron (a very good Roy Thomas series, in case you wanted to know).
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Post by Marvel Boy on Sept 25, 2013 21:10:07 GMT -5
Oh, he did. In the original Norse myths, Thor has red-hair and a beard. Whom Thomas introduced in a short two, three part story! Hey, wonder if inveterate comic book fan Roy had read this classic from 1961? ;D Hm, I didn't know Jimmy's ancestors were Vikings. Also, nice to know he's worthy of picking up Mjolnir. Great stuff there. ;D Ah, All-Star Squadron, Thomas' love letter to DC's Golden Age heroes and the JSA. Terrific series.
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Post by sharkar on Nov 26, 2013 11:31:49 GMT -5
A strong image from an interesting perspective Wow, that cover is like a crazy (but effective) combination of X-Men #56 (which has inspired/influenced many covers, including the very famous #X-Men 135) and Avengers #157! IMHO, of course. ;D
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