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Post by Shiryu on May 11, 2012 16:23:33 GMT -5
Soo, this is the topic where to discuss the film with no fear of spoiling something to someone. Feel free to mention your favourite scenes and lines, the post credit scenes, the most dramatic moments, and so on.
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Post by pulpcitizen on May 13, 2012 4:41:57 GMT -5
A few stand-outs for me, and in no particular order:
1. Cap's line as he jumped out of the transport craft after Thor, Loki and Iron Man: "There is only one God, and I don’t think he dresses like that."
I am an atheist (just to give context to this choice), yet that line just felt so right for Cap.
2. Hulk slamming the hell out of Loki - the whole audience broke out in laughter.
3. The bickering scene; I like that there is the allusion that Loki's machinations are at play in that scene, even though it is not spelled out; the only sign? Tony rubbing his temple as if 'something is wrong'.
4. Hulk taking out Thor as they stood side by side; their fight was not over until THAT point.
5. The tone; it was a distillation of elements from Avengers and Ultimates, and honestly, as purist as fan-boys may want to be, I think that the decision to take that hybrid tone is vindicated.
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Post by Crimson Cowl on May 13, 2012 5:34:39 GMT -5
'I'm in the middle of an interrogation. This moron is giving me everything'.
'Sorry, that was mean...I just wanted to see how you'd react'.
'His first name is agent.'
''Near mint... a little boxing around the edges'.
'I'm listening'
'...and I'm a huge fan of the way you turn into an enormous green rage monster'. (Ruffalo's expression at this moment is genius.)
'He's adopted'
'I do! ...I got that reference'
'Thank you, for your cooperation'.
'Put down the sceptre Dr Banner'.
'Are you ever not going to fall for that'
'You lack conviction...so that's what it does.'
'Son, you've got a condition'
'Performance issues, I understand'.
'If it's all the same to you, I think I'll have that drink now.'
'You and I remember Budapest very differently'.
Oh yeah, and when I realised I was about to see the helicarrier I completely reverted into a schoolboy and had to stop myself from whooping out loud.
I suppose this is as good as anywhere to mention how predictably great Stellan Skarsgard was. When possessed by Loki he captured a quality like a sauced up alcoholic: a false, forced jollity, ingratiating himself with whoever's buying (in this case Loki's supplying the juice), with a creeping sense of shame lurking behind. Doing all that with as little screen time as he had - now that's acting.
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AdmFirePanther
New Avenger
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Post by AdmFirePanther on May 18, 2012 19:18:48 GMT -5
This was not only the best comic book movie EVER, it (in my point of view) completely shames every movie ever made. And I'm a devoted Harry Potter fan.
The characters really make this movie great. I think that even if the CGI sucks in a movie, it can be at least redeemed with good acting and in-depth characters. As this movie had BOTH great CGI and characters, well, it was indescribably awesome.
Tom Hiddleson rocked as Loki, once again making him more than just a villain wanting to do evil. He is quite rightly the most interesting "bad guy" ever. He;s just so.... charismatically devious.
Mark Ruffalo added a layer of.. well, pretty much everything that could make the character better... to Bruce Banner, and I loved that they actually used him to create the Hulk.
Robert Downey Jr. was just as funny and witty as in the Iron Man movies, if not more so. He also is developing his personality more as a character, not just being the ego-inflated billionaire.
Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow was utterly, fantastically badass, and completely fulfilled my requirements for a female Avenger. It was about time the Avengers quit being so sexist.
Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Clark Greg, Samuel L. Jackson,and Jeremy Renner were amazing as well, but I felt that these particular characters stood out the most by way of acting.
And pulpcitizen, Crimson Cowl, you forgot when Agent Coulson is lying mortally wounded, shoots Loki with the huge gun, and says "So that's what it does."
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Post by Crimson Cowl on May 18, 2012 20:58:59 GMT -5
...er, are you sure about that?
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AdmFirePanther
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Post by AdmFirePanther on May 19, 2012 16:40:01 GMT -5
Oh. I see it now. But it wasn't immediately obvious.....
Who am I kidding? I need glasses or something.
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Post by betaraybill on May 28, 2012 12:43:18 GMT -5
Hi all, I read an interesting theory RE: Agent Coulson, in that his death could lead to the creation of the Vision in the Marvel Movies Universe. Stark referenced the concept of Life Model Decoys. Perhaps its through this tech, enhanced by Asgardian powers, since Thor cared about Coulson's wellbeing, that an old favorite in the Avengers' mythos will emerge. Here's the blog: www.spectacularry.com/?p=470 The comment RE: the Vision was on the Facebook page, I think. In any case, seems like an interesting idea.
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Post by betaraybill on May 28, 2012 13:39:27 GMT -5
Also, since this is a SPOILER-WARNED board... Holy CRAP! THANOS!!!!!!!!!!! Being a Cosmic Corner fiend, I am ecstatic.
I grew up in the 80's, after he had died, and thanks to the great Avengers stories involving Nebula, I understood that this dead tyrant was the worst of the worst. He had a weight about him, a dread even in death.
Loved him in Infinity Gauntlet and since, with Abnett and Lanning's work. A truly great choice for the Movie Universe.
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Post by Crimson Cowl on May 28, 2012 14:32:09 GMT -5
Hi all, I read an interesting theory RE: Agent Coulson, in that his death could lead to the creation of the Vision in the Marvel Movies Universe. Stark referenced the concept of Life Model Decoys. Perhaps its through this tech, enhanced by Asgardian powers, since Thor cared about Coulson's wellbeing, that an old favorite in the Avengers' mythos will emerge. Well, let's hope that never ever happens. Bringing back Coulson (in any way, shape or form) would seriously undermine the drama of the first movie. Let's hope that the makers of the films will learn from the travesty that Marvel Comics have become and know better than to start bringing characters back from the dead. Thanos is a great villain of course, but I'd really have liked to see Ultron in an Avengers movie (I've also always thought that the Arsenal story would make for a great Avengers or Iron Man flick -with the tech updated to being a Cold war failsafe rather than a WWII one). One thing I didn't particularly like in the movie was the idea that Loki was someone's lackey -he's really far too big a character for that IMO.
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Post by Shiryu on May 28, 2012 15:25:03 GMT -5
Coulson coming back as the Vision is the rumor I had heard before the movie came out, the extra scene would have had Tony and Bruce work on his corpse or something along those lines. Despite no such scene being in the film, the rumor is still going extremely strong. Something along those lines was even implied by Clark Gregg during a couple of interviews. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. I don't think I would mind either, actually.
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Post by betaraybill on May 28, 2012 17:43:49 GMT -5
Hi all, I read an interesting theory RE: Agent Coulson, in that his death could lead to the creation of the Vision in the Marvel Movies Universe. Stark referenced the concept of Life Model Decoys. Perhaps its through this tech, enhanced by Asgardian powers, since Thor cared about Coulson's wellbeing, that an old favorite in the Avengers' mythos will emerge. Well, let's hope that never ever happens. Bringing back Coulson (in any way, shape or form) would seriously undermine the drama of the first movie. Let's hope that the makers of the films will learn from the travesty that Marvel Comics have become and know better than to start bringing characters back from the dead. I hear ya. I hate resurrections a ton. However, I have an appreciation for the old school cheating-death plot devices. Back in the day, a villain would seem to die... his castle explodes, his hand breaks the surface as he drowns, etc. In the case of the Movie Avengers, if Coulson becomes the Vision, it does open the door to what I think are better plot emotions. The Vision is cold and calculating. Cap hands him the vintage trading cards, autographed, in a moment that means alot to him now. The Vision has no real care for them. The rest of the team also deals with this difference in a fallen friend. If they bring Coulson back with no changes, I agree, it takes away from the loss. As the Vision, though, I think it adds a great deal of potential to the storytelling. Thanos is a great villain of course, but I'd really have liked to see Ultron in an Avengers movie (I've also always thought that the Arsenal story would make for a great Avengers or Iron Man flick -with the tech updated to being a Cold war failsafe rather than a WWII one). One thing I didn't particularly like in the movie was the idea that Loki was someone's lackey -he's really far too big a character for that IMO. In the case of Thanos, both he and Loki are the highest order of Super Villain. It may seem like Loki is subordinate, but everyone who knows that mastermind knows better.
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Post by Shiryu on May 30, 2012 14:19:52 GMT -5
Talking of that...
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 5, 2012 6:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by freedomfighter on Jun 5, 2012 20:51:58 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, I spoke with a client about this. I said Loki never intended to win, but rather he wanted to inspire fear and then turn on his allies, so that he could rule over the mindless sheep who'd be so happy that he saved them they would revere him with a minimum of fuss (attack New York for one day with space aliens is a lot easier than a long prolonged attack...). But there was a missing step in there-namely, how he planned to turn on Thanos- so I couldn't reconcile that theory. But this is elegant in its simplicity...
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 6, 2012 5:34:08 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, I spoke with a client about this. I said Loki never intended to win, but rather he wanted to inspire fear and then turn on his allies, so that he could rule over the mindless sheep who'd be so happy that he saved them they would revere him with a minimum of fuss (attack New York for one day with space aliens is a lot easier than a long prolonged attack...). But there was a missing step in there-namely, how he planned to turn on Thanos- so I couldn't reconcile that theory. But this is elegant in its simplicity... Great article link, BTW, Shiryu. And I tend to agree at this point, FF, that Loki never intended to win. The one element that never sat as kosher with me (I mean, in the context of the film-- not as an error) was Loki's taking so much high-handed back-talk from the Chittauri leader, and even allowing him to lay hands on him. Unless it clearly suited Loki's purpose, he doesn't seem built to take that sort of thing at all from creatures that he surely believes to be his inferiors. That little memory-play thing just screamed to me, on an instinctive level mind you, "Loki's got these guys right where he wants them-!" This would suggest a much larger game being played. Both terrific writing and a terrific, subtle portrayal on Hiddleston's part. HB
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Post by Crimson Cowl on Jun 7, 2012 3:42:27 GMT -5
Hmmm.
I don't think so. I just don't buy it. Whilst you can certainly construct such a hypothesis from selective use of details and having a bit of background knowledge about the characters involved I think this is reaching -and quite a way too far.
I don't believe this is part of the subtext of the movie. Whilst they could choose to knock up some elaborate plot like this for the second movie I suspect that using the idea of raiding Odin's treasure chest again for yet another movie would be seen as a bit too repetitive (it's already played a key role in three films). I'd like to think that they do actually have more ideas than that.
If the Infinity Gauntlet had really had a significant role in their long term plans then I'm sure we'd have been given a better look at it rather than just something that fanatics can dig up if they crawl through a scene in super slow-mo and blow up a tiny bit of the background. That stuff was there for the fans.
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Post by freedomfighter on Jun 7, 2012 6:53:41 GMT -5
Hmmm. I don't think so. I just don't buy it. Whilst you can certainly construct such a hypothesis from selective use of details and having a bit of background knowledge about the characters involved I think this is reaching -and quite a way too far. I don't believe this is part of the subtext of the movie. Whilst they could choose to knock up some elaborate plot like this for the second movie I suspect that using the idea of raiding Odin's treasure chest again for yet another movie would be seen as a bit too repetitive (it's already played a key role in three films). I'd like to think that they do actually have more ideas than that. If the Infinity Gauntlet had really had a significant role in their long term plans then I'm sure we'd have been given a better look at it rather than just something that fanatics can dig up if they crawl through a scene in super slow-mo and blow up a tiny bit of the background. That stuff was there for the fans. I've seen stills from Iron Man 3 featuring yet another villain in armor, so don't discount the idea that they will go to the same well more often than not... The tesseract (cosmic cube) has already been used as a plot device in several films as well, and they still have Thor 2 and Cap 2 and IM 3 to build to the Gauntlet/Loki/Odin/Thanos etc. Not saying the post that Shiryu linked to is actually how the plot will turn out, but it would be easy to do so, even if they decided to fit it in after the fact... www.hollywoodgrind.com/iron-patriot-iron-man-3-leaked-pictures/
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Post by betaraybill on Jun 9, 2012 0:55:14 GMT -5
I don't believe this is part of the subtext of the movie. Whilst they could choose to knock up some elaborate plot like this for the second movie I suspect that using the idea of raiding Odin's treasure chest again for yet another movie would be seen as a bit too repetitive (it's already played a key role in three films). I'd like to think that they do actually have more ideas than that. If the Infinity Gauntlet had really had a significant role in their long term plans then I'm sure we'd have been given a better look at it rather than just something that fanatics can dig up if they crawl through a scene in super slow-mo and blow up a tiny bit of the background. That stuff was there for the fans. I hope they just stick w/ the Cosmic Cube (I will henceforth call it the Cosmic Cube because I don't want to have to keep remembering how to spell tesseract... though that's a cooler word). Save the Infinity Gauntlet for the Movie reboots 20 years from now.
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Post by cameron on Sept 27, 2012 22:03:46 GMT -5
All I have to say is I loved when Barton/ Hawkeye shoots two people in front of him, then without looking shoots a guy behind him.
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 28, 2012 20:32:01 GMT -5
All I have to say is I loved when Barton/ Hawkeye shoots two people in front of him, then without looking shoots a guy behind him. Yes indeed-- totally on-board with that one, too. Although this Hawkeye was quite a different fellow from our own familiar, beloved loud-mouthed, belligerent Clint, I liked this guy a LOT. And the one core characteristic they shared was their obvious and complete confidence in their own abilities being able to meet the demands of whatever extraordinary situation they might be in. Highly-energized, focused, and unflappable. (The shot he made on Loki, which Loki caught only to be surprised by its explosive charge, was my personal favorite. It showcased both Clint's uncanny marksmanship and his resourcefulness in engaging a more powerful foe.) HB
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 1, 2012 13:08:16 GMT -5
Obviously, the team confrontation scene in the SHIELD lab was a big highlight for me. Whedon nailed each character's motivations and speech perfectly here, all the while showcasing why and how they are able to move past those differences and work together as a team.
But the unsung heroes are Clint and Natasha. They could have easily been overlooked and underused. Even when he was brainwashed, I kept pulling for Clint to come out of it in a big way, which he did. Seeing Natasha's quiet but firm intent on rescuing someone she feels strongly about, that was excellent.
Cap's command of 'Hulk smash" is the best line ever....in any comic movie.....ever made.....now and in the future........ ;D
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 1, 2012 14:18:02 GMT -5
Cap's command of 'Hulk smash" is the best line ever....in any comic movie.....ever made.....now and in the future........ ;D I would take exception. The best superhero line ever, in a film, was: "Pink" Doug
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Post by humanbelly on Oct 1, 2012 18:04:12 GMT -5
Cap's command of 'Hulk smash" is the best line ever....in any comic movie.....ever made.....now and in the future........ ;D I would take exception. The best superhero line ever, in a film, was: "Pink" Doug Oh, I am so very, very sorry, dlw-- but it is w/out question my bound duty to go with Marvel Boy on this one-! ;D In a film that was bursting with memorable one-line gems, that one particularly stands out because it's a fresh take on a line that- at this point- only exists as a groaning cliche' when uttered by the lips what birthed it. And yet. . . you GOTTA have it, so. . . give the line to someone else! That's such clever writing/directing (and so simple) that it gives me goosebumps. Take something overly-familiar, change it just a little, and suddenly it creates a new bit of life and fun while staying completely true to the spirit of the character(s). "Does Mother know you wear-eth her drapes-?" also made me laugh heartily every time I saw the film. Hey, HBSon saw the movie again on the bus ride back from a band trip, and he came up with an observation/question: Obviously, SHIELD would have taken possession of Loki's staff-thingy, yes? Not sure we actually saw that happen. Now, the staff was powered by the tesseract, right? But-- did it have any inherent powers/properties of its own? I was a little unclear on that score myself. HBS's question was whether I (and by extension, "we here") have any knowledge of a particular similar weapon or object of power in the traditional Marvel Universe? Nothing came to mind for me, but I'm certainly not the measure of all things, believe me. Anybody have a clue about this? HB
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Post by ultron69 on Oct 14, 2012 11:26:43 GMT -5
A few stand-outs for me, and in no particular order: 1. Cap's line as he jumped out of the transport craft after Thor, Loki and Iron Man: "There is only one God, and I don’t think he dresses like that." I am an atheist (just to give context to this choice), yet that line just felt so right for Cap. 2. Hulk slamming the hell out of Loki - the whole audience broke out in laughter. 3. The bickering scene; I like that there is the allusion that Loki's machinations are at play in that scene, even though it is not spelled out; the only sign? Tony rubbing his temple as if 'something is wrong'. 4. Hulk taking out Thor as they stood side by side; their fight was not over until THAT point. 5. The tone; it was a distillation of elements from Avengers and Ultimates, and honestly, as purist as fan-boys may want to be, I think that the decision to take that hybrid tone is vindicated. I agree with all of these. Regarding #1, I'm not at all religous, but agree that it was a great line by Cap. I think the first "hell yeah" moment in the movie for me was when the SHIELD Helicarrier first started rising out of the water. I'd just tough it was an aircraft carrier at that point, though maybe I should have known better. Tony had a ton of great lines. I also loved the two scenes where Cap took over, first giving orders to the police officers, then later to the Avengers. That was just how Cap is suuposed to act. I also thought it was kinda cool when Loki threw Tony out the window and his armor saved him. The very first time Hulk smashed one of those Chitauri dragon thingees was pretty cool, too. Tony Stark was my favorite character in the movie, but I think Cap had the best moments, between his taking charge and some of his acrobatic moves, and the Hulk was a close second for best action moments.
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Post by tomspasic on Oct 15, 2012 8:13:29 GMT -5
Here's a thought that's come back to me each time I've watched the movie, and it's with reference to Hawkeye's arrows. Specifically, that in a couple of shots we get a nice clear view of the arrow heads, I'm thinking of the attack on the helicarrier, in particular. Now the thought I have is that the arrowheads we see remind me enormously of arrowheads I've seen drawn in the comics, one By Don Heck, the other by John Buscema (I think). But to my irritation, I cannot find panels which match my (possibly imaginary) memory. Does anyone else see what I'm seeing? (And I know that this is arch fanboy/nerd-ism, but don't much care).
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