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Post by starbug on Apr 28, 2012 4:01:33 GMT -5
Right at the end of the movie, after the credits, it shows a beast looking at the camera and smiling, does anyone know who or what this character is ?
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Post by pulpcitizen on Apr 28, 2012 4:08:07 GMT -5
Yes. But is is a big spoiler.
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 28, 2012 5:48:44 GMT -5
Yes. But is is a big spoiler. Oh, well done again, sir. Well done. Perhaps we should devise a title for you, to wit: Pulp Citizen: Guardian of the Unspoiled Plot Narrative (Man, you whip together a uniform to go with that, and you are going to be a CHICK MAGNET-!!!) ;D HB
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Post by pulpcitizen on Apr 28, 2012 5:57:23 GMT -5
If anyone wants to find out, the Wikipedia page has the information. There we go - the info is available, but no spoiler posted! Whew!
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Post by starbug on Apr 28, 2012 7:07:45 GMT -5
Yikes!! Sorry everyone for the almost spolier, thank god it didnt come to that. I have found out the info i needed. Cheers!
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 28, 2012 8:09:39 GMT -5
Yikes!! Sorry everyone for the almost spolier, thank god it didnt come to that. I have found out the info i needed. Cheers! No offense taken at all, Starbug. In fact. . . here, I'm subtly passing my hand across my body in front of you, and gently suggesting, "You think you want to join this board. You think these are nice people", in the finest of traditional Jedi mind control techniques. (Hmm. Better add, "You want to ship 10 pounds of premium European dark chocolate to Humanbelly. Right away. No need to bother the wife about it. This would be a GOOD thing to do. . . ") HB
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pym
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Post by pym on May 4, 2012 21:30:09 GMT -5
Does this site have Invisotext?
Still....even if it had...I doubt that I would give away the identity of said figure.
Can I give you a hint?
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Post by humanbelly on May 5, 2012 4:57:55 GMT -5
Does this site have Invisotext? Still....even if it had...I doubt that I would give away the identity of said figure. Can I give you a hint? Ha! Nope! Willpower, Pym--- it's all about the willpower!!!(YOU are stronger than the spoiler. . . we KNOW you are. . . you must BELIEVE that. . . ) ;D ;D ;D HB
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pym
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Post by pym on May 5, 2012 9:49:14 GMT -5
Greetings my friend! Thank you for putting me back on track. I hope that you are well!
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Post by Michael on Sept 29, 2012 3:25:43 GMT -5
Thanos
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 29, 2012 6:29:36 GMT -5
Thanos D'Oh! Well, of course, one could hardly call it a spoiler five months down the road, eh? ;D HB
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Post by pym on Sept 30, 2012 16:39:20 GMT -5
How about this?....what if it is not Simon Williams that will provide the brain patterns for The Vision...but Agent Phil Coulson?
Or is Agent Coulson still alive...and that was an LMD that we saw die?
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 30, 2012 20:16:39 GMT -5
How about this?....what if it is not Simon Williams that will provide the brain patterns for The Vision...but Agent Phil Coulson? Or is Agent Coulson still alive...and that was an LMD that we saw die? I think there's no doubt that it was really Coulson-- but that wouldn't negate the possibility of his LMD appearing later in the series. Although it would be creepy. . . and terribly disrespectful of the character. HBSon & I batted around the idea of Coulson's brain patterns being the basis for Vision's mind-- but the actor who plays him- Clark Gregg- has stated directly and emphatically that no such plan is in the pipeline at all. Too bad, really. He would be a somewhat different Vision than ours, but the personal journey of such a quintessentially "human" person being re-created in an artificial body, and coming to terms with it (a Tin Man story, as it were) would make a terrific story and still resonate deeply with those of us that love the original character so much. HB
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 1, 2012 13:00:26 GMT -5
This question may seem odd considering the movie in question, but is it feasible, given the human tech seen so far in Marvel movies, that an operation such as this, taken a dead man's brain patterns and installing them as a base program for a robotic/synthezoid being, possible?
You have a basis for it though, for the Human Torch created by Horton was seen in the Cap movie. I like the idea for this, but maybe some stolen/salvaged alien tech retrieved in the upcoming conflict with Thanos and then used in this Vision venture would make this idea more sensible for a more general movie audience not properly schooled in Avengers history.
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Post by Crimson Cowl on Oct 5, 2012 12:45:34 GMT -5
Clark Gregg- has stated directly and emphatically that no such plan is in the pipeline at all. Too bad, really. He would be a somewhat different Vision than ours, but the personal journey of such a quintessentially "human" person being re-created in an artificial body, and coming to terms with it (a Tin Man story, as it were) would make a terrific story and still resonate deeply with those of us that love the original character so much. HB I'm glad to hear it. On the one hand I think it would've ruined the pathos of Coulson's death in the first movie. Secondly I've never thought that the idea of anybody's brain patterns being in the Vision were a good idea. He should just be an android and his struggle to discover whether he's a 'real boy' should be on that basis. I've always felt that the attempts to tie him to the original Torch and then to Wonder man were ill advised, seeking to give him a history, providing spurious reasons for super villains such as the Grim Reaper to attack, but more importantly acting as a sop and detracting from the real theme of whether androids are 'alive' and have 'real feelings'. Planting the notion of him as someone else in a new body always weakened that idea which should've remained central. Actually it's one of the reasons that I really liked what Byrne did with the Vision (I gather I'm rather unusual in that regard). It got back to the essence of the character and provided a platform to go forward with him. Unfortunately that didn't happen and it seems to me that successive writers have made a real mess with him.
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Post by humanbelly on Oct 5, 2012 18:07:47 GMT -5
Clark Gregg- has stated directly and emphatically that no such plan is in the pipeline at all. Too bad, really. He would be a somewhat different Vision than ours, but the personal journey of such a quintessentially "human" person being re-created in an artificial body, and coming to terms with it (a Tin Man story, as it were) would make a terrific story and still resonate deeply with those of us that love the original character so much. HB I'm glad to hear it. On the one hand I think it would've ruined the pathos of Coulson's death in the first movie. Secondly I've never thought that the idea of anybody's brain patterns being in the Vision were a good idea. He should just be an android and his struggle to discover whether he's a 'real boy' should be on that basis. I've always felt that the attempts to tie him to the original Torch and then to Wonder man were ill advised, seeking to give him a history, providing spurious reasons for super villains such as the Grim Reaper to attack, but more importantly acting as a sop and detracting from the real theme of whether androids are 'alive' and have 'real feelings'. Planting the notion of him as someone else in a new body always weakened that idea which should've remained central. Actually it's one of the reasons that I really liked what Byrne did with the Vision (I gather I'm rather unusual in that regard). It got back to the essence of the character and provided a platform to go forward with him. Unfortunately that didn't happen and it seems to me that successive writers have made a real mess with him. Yyyyyyyyyyyeah, CC, I do think you'd be representing the minority opinion, there. But I've heard your same sentiment expressed by someone else at least once or twice, so you're not flat-out alone. And I don't entirely disagree that the whole "recorded brain patterns" convention became more and more muddy every time someone tried to use it as a story-point. It seemed quite clear early on that those brain patterns were simply the blank slate upon which the Vision's own consciousness was anchored. He obviously had none of Simon's memories. None of his emotions. And certainly none of his established personality. Even as a kid I got that, and had no problem seeing that Vision was, of course, not "Simon" at all. Simon's mind provided a suitable untouched canvas and the depth of awareness that allowed the Vision himself to become self-aware and sentient. The nature/nurture factor alone makes the whole "Am I Simon, or Vision?" question a beside-the-point matter at best. And although I know we got a lot of very interesting story developments out of it over the years, that We're Brothers angle never failed to rub me just a bit the wrong way. It was a forced plot point at best. HB
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