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Post by canadianavenger on Feb 5, 2012 23:43:25 GMT -5
I assume most of you have watched the Avengers trailer during the Super Bowl. Was that not amazing. We got to see the entire team assembled together ready to take on the alien army. We got to see more of the Hulk in some action, as well as Iron Man's aerial battle. The exchange between Loki and Stark was some excellent dialogue. My anticipation for this movie is growing every week.
What did you guys think??
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 6, 2012 8:19:23 GMT -5
It is this one?
Awesome, just can't wait!
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Post by starfoxxx on Feb 6, 2012 15:35:29 GMT -5
Ditto, I can't wait.
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 6, 2012 18:49:54 GMT -5
I did catch the Superbowl spot-- but was a bit distracted (believe it or not). I feel like this one might in fact be a fraction. . . better, even. (!)
Ol' Greenskin still looks about as CGI as he has in his two previous films. . . but that won't stop me from lovin' 'im to pieces! Heh. "We have a Hulk." (Unspoken: "Which naturally trumps your army. . . ")
Cap's uniform certainly isn't the abomination that we'd been harping about over in that other thread. Quite a relief. HBSon & I still preferred his WWII look, though.
Robert Downey Jr makes anything he's in greater just by showing up and being in the moment. Lord, I like him as Stark more than I ever liked the "real" Tony Stark-!
Terrific sound effects mixing.
Believe it or not, much as the action looks up to the usual high Hollywood standards, I'd love to have seen one more quiet, interactive moment between a couple of the big guns. If Joss Whedon is directing, I can't imagine the film will be lacking them.
HBSon said the trailer led him to believe that Kang is going to somehow be a factor in this movie. Is that true? I haven't followed any of the publicity or hype at all about what the actual plot is. Or is he just jumping to a wild conclusion?
Hooooo-boy!!!
HB
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 6, 2012 20:37:33 GMT -5
Believe it or not, much as the action looks up to the usual high Hollywood standards, I'd love to have seen one more quiet, interactive moment between a couple of the big guns. If Joss Whedon is directing, I can't imagine the film will be lacking them. Agreed. I think my favourite moment is Thor helping Cap u, it reminds me of their deep friendship in the comic book. But, for entertainment value, I can see why the trailer is so action-packed. As far as I know, Kang isn't involved. Apparently they are aliens from the Negative Zone, possibly Krees (yep, I know, Krees shouldn't be in the NZ, but that's the rumor)
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Post by canadianavenger on Feb 6, 2012 22:49:52 GMT -5
Kang is definetly not in this movie. From what I have read from several news articles over the last few weeks, the army they are fighting are one of the following:
1) Kree 2) Atlanteans. The Avengers will be fighting a giant creature - a Leviathon that will be coming from the ocean, so I think that's why Atlanteans was brought up. Although from this trailer, they certainly don't look Atlantean. 3) Raddak - This was interesting. Apparently Marvel cannot use Skrulls because Sony has the rights to using that in their movies. So, they came up with the word Raddak to replace Skrulls.
I also read that Thanos may be Loki's secret partner.
Someone please correct me if any of this info is incorrect. I'm just going off what I remember.
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Post by bobc on Feb 7, 2012 12:02:19 GMT -5
That clip makes me feel much better about this movie! You have to admit Robert Downey Jr is the perfect choice to play Tony Stark.
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 7, 2012 12:32:24 GMT -5
That clip makes me feel much better about this movie! You have to admit Robert Downey Jr is the perfect choice to play Tony Stark. My reaction those several years ago, when they first announced his being cast as Tony? "Oh my GOD! That's BRILLIANT! He's PERFECT!!" Does anyone recall that it came at a point when RDjr's career seemed to have taken a final death-spiral due to repeated drug & alcohol-fueled self-sabotage? There were huge problems for studios to even get proper insurance coverage if he was in a film. Obviously, he's channeled that addictive drive into being a movie-star workaholic (he is in LOTS of independent films as well as multiple yearly blockbusters). God bless 'im, we all benefit from this positive channeling of his personal demons. And could the connection that gives him to Tony be any more apt? Almost eerie? Heh. My second comment, however, was "He's really 'way too short, y'know?" To be a stickler, I believe Tony's 6'-3" or 6'-4" (remembering from the original HBofMU, I think)-- and Downey's a fairly little guy. Totally makes no difference on the big screen, o'course-! Y'know, the better Marvel films seem to be blessed w/ spot-on casting, as opposed to "trendy actor/actress" casting. Robert Dowey as Tony. Patrick Stewart as Prof. X Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker And that works its way down to the villains & supporting cast as well. Anyone care to toss out some of their favorites? (Too much of my own voice these days. . . ) HB
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 7, 2012 13:08:55 GMT -5
Y'know, the better Marvel films seem to be blessed w/ spot-on casting, as opposed to "trendy actor/actress" casting. Robert Dowey as Tony. Patrick Stewart as Prof. X Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker And that works its way down to the villains & supporting cast as well. Anyone care to toss out some of their favorites? (Too much of my own voice these days. . . ) HB Hugh Jackman was great for Wolverine. Too tall, yes, but for me he single-handedly made all the X movies better. And yes, Patrick Stewart was very good too. I also think Chris Hemsworth and Tony Huddleston were very good choices for Thor and Loki. Chris had the right sort of "brag-ish" attitude to pull off the early Thor. I was never too taken in by Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker though. Peter never really looked nerdy in the comics, in fact he was quite good looking under Romita.
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Post by bobc on Feb 7, 2012 13:09:30 GMT -5
Of course I remember! I originally made a reference to that in my last post, but took it out, since I'm trying to be a kinder, gentler Bob. But yeah Robert went to the big house after he woke up after a bender in some strange family's house. Robert let himself in and promptly went to sleep in one of the kid's beds. It was very trashy but did perk up a dull news day. Anyway--now Spiderman's new trailer is out, featuring our beloved Lizard: www.toofab.com/2012/02/07/the-amazing-spider-man-trailer-the-lizard-andrew-garfield-emma-stone/
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Post by kidcage on Feb 7, 2012 13:31:29 GMT -5
Been awhile since I posted, but...
I loved the trailer for the SB. I thought the nice picture of the six of them all encircled was perfect, and the more and more I see of Renner as Hawkeye, the more I like the casting. He's pretty much the only person I can think of who could pull him off. I had to freeze the trailer to get an idea of who the army could be made up of, and Atlanteans seemed like a good pick.
As for overall Marvel casting: I loved Doc Ock (Alfred Molina) in Spider-Man 2. And Sandman for #3 was pretty much a great coupe.
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Post by bobc on Feb 7, 2012 14:10:49 GMT -5
Hi Kid--seems like the last time we heard a huge outcry over casting was in the Batman movies (George Clooney and Keaten), but so far Disney/Marvel seems to be nailing it 99 times out of a hundred. If you put this with EMH, I'd say Disney is the best thing that happened to Marvel in years. Good job!
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Post by spiderwasp on Feb 7, 2012 19:06:19 GMT -5
I agree about Doc Ock and Sandman as well as some of the others that were mentioned. I also really liked Chris Evans as Cap. I was opposed to giving him the role initially because I don't like the idea of one guy playing 2 major Marvel characters, but I thought he suited Steve Rogers far more than Johnny Storm. One that never got much recognition was Taylor Kitsch as Gambit. I'd like to see more of him in that role.
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 7, 2012 19:47:11 GMT -5
Say, could I toss in three of the supporting cast from Spiderman that I thought were just superb?
Rosemary Harris as Aunt May- She simply nails it and sticks the landing. The potential for that character on screen to come across as cliche' or hokey or 2-dimensional is huge, and every time I watch it, she drags me right in. (Except for when she's being attacked in her hospital room, I guess. But the whole "FINISH IT!" schtick w/ the prayer is indeed hokey beyond redemption-- seems much more like a cheesy television moment).
Cliff Robertson as Uncle Ben- Sadly, the third film kind of ruined his death sequence by over-retconning it, but Cliff is so warm and genuine that it still comes as a heartbreaking shock when he gets killed. Geeze, as a father, that whole last argument he and Peter have carries a particularly cautionary resonance for me.
JK Simmons as J Jonah Jameson- Omigod, could he be more perfect and more hilarious? Yes, he's comic relief, and lacks any of the true depth that maybe Jonah exhibits a few years down the road in the comic-- but he completely embodies the hyper-driven, egomaniacal, universally-contemptuous force of nature that we all know as JJJ. On one of the DVD's they have his audition screen test. . . and he truly nails it right there on the spot.
Count me as one of the group that does like Hugh Jackman as Woverine-- even though I recognize that he's not exactly the same Logan we've known for years in the comic. But the comic's Logan may not have transferred very well to the big screen, y'know? Awfully dark, and a movie's length is too short for us to take the whole "unpleasant man of mystery who we gradually find the warmer side of as he reforms,etc" route.
Oh, and hey, I know it had a lot of discussion earlier, but the entire FamilyBelly is pretty much of a mind that Marvel could do worse than to retcon the entirety of Thor/Asgard so that Idris Elba would have always been Heimdall there as well. . .
HB
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 7, 2012 19:54:30 GMT -5
Hi Kid--seems like the last time we heard a huge outcry over casting was in the Batman movies (George Clooney and Keaten), but so far Disney/Marvel seems to be nailing it 99 times out of a hundred. If you put this with EMH, I'd say Disney is the best thing that happened to Marvel in years. Good job! The Michael Keaton Batman was a very long time ago, of course, but I do remember howling about what a horrible, disrespectful choice that was. Mostly because of his recent gonzo, off-the-wall, manic-comic portrayal of BEETLEJUICE. But, y'know, apart from being nearly as wrong for the role physically as an actor could be, I really thought he was fine- even good- in both of his Batman films. As is sort of the case w/ the current series, Batman's story was seriously overshadowed by the more-interesting villains (Jack Nicholson's Joker, and Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman). HB
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 8, 2012 8:36:09 GMT -5
Oh, and hey, I know it had a lot of discussion earlier, but the entire FamilyBelly is pretty much of a mind that Marvel could do worse than to retcon the entirety of Thor/Asgard so that Idris Elba would have always been Heimdall there as well. . . HB He was amazing, wasn't he? So cold and serious, almost scary at times, as befits the guardian of the Bifrost bridge. To me, another top choice was Willem Dafoe in the first Spidey movie. He was so expressive in that scene where he talks to himself in the mirror that it was almost worth the ticket price alone. I think he had pretty much nailed Johhny's attitude in the FF movie, but was able to display a completely different range of emotions and expressions in the Cap movie. Kudos to him, that shows talent.
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Post by bobc on Feb 8, 2012 9:11:50 GMT -5
I always thought Rutger Howard should have played Batman. Ever since I saw him in Blade Runner I thought so.
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 8, 2012 14:04:03 GMT -5
To me, another top choice was Willem Dafoe in the first Spidey movie. He was so expressive in that scene where he talks to himself in the mirror that it was almost worth the ticket price alone. [. Completely agree, yes. The unofficial, behind-the-scenes story on that sequence is that we (the audience) are seeing it largely as Dafoe performed it, with a minimum of editing to enhance the two-personalities-at-war effect. Naturally, there would have been multiple takes, but there just couldn't be any substitute for the creepiness of one man going through that awful process in real time, as it were. Geeze, what a fine actor. Not to de-mystify the process too much, but there really is a specific technique involved for portraying different interactive voices/characters like that-- it's very popular at the college/conservatory level. It's seen as Reader's Theater or Interpretive Drama or even as formal Storytelling, and can give an actor a nice facility for doing just what Dafoe does in that scene. Boy, his is about as good as it gets, though. . . (Way too much info? Okay-- very sorry, teammates. . . ). I do also kind of think that Dafoe's and Molina's performances- both mentioned as being possible academy award material- paved the way for Heath Ledger's Joker to be taken seriously for the same a few years down the road. . . HB
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Post by pulpcitizen on Feb 9, 2012 7:57:40 GMT -5
Really enjoyed the trailer; Marvel have done so well with their own productions that i am very, very excited for this.
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Post by bobc on Feb 9, 2012 9:32:32 GMT -5
Are you new, Pulp? If so, welcome aboard! I think everybody here is enjoying the vast majority of the movies Marvel/Disney is putting out.
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 19, 2012 18:38:43 GMT -5
Oh, and hey, I know it had a lot of discussion earlier, but the entire FamilyBelly is pretty much of a mind that Marvel could do worse than to retcon the entirety of Thor/Asgard so that Idris Elba would have always been Heimdall there as well. . . HB He was amazing, wasn't he? So cold and serious, almost scary at times, as befits the guardian of the Bifrost bridge. . HBSon & I watched THE MATRIX last night (he'd never seen it). Not a fan of the film, personally, and he had multiple problems with the basic science/physics and the logic of the story itself. . BUT. . . ;DWouldn't it be great to have Hugo Weaving's Mr. Smith & Idris Elba's Heimdall go at each other on-screen?? They'd just stand there, 3 inches apart, and "Intense" each other too death-! Cripes, the planet would melt out from under their feet, and still neither would yield, surely. . . ! ;D HB
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Post by ultron69 on Feb 20, 2012 9:56:54 GMT -5
HB, if your son had multiple problems with the basic science/physics and the logic of the story in Matrix, how is he ever going to enjoy comics?
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 20, 2012 16:51:46 GMT -5
HB, if your son had multiple problems with the basic science/physics and the logic of the story in Matrix, how is he ever going to enjoy comics? Ha! Well, of course, he's not the devoted fan that I am-- more just a casual reader that finds comics mightily entertaining. And I think he's more forgiving in the comics medium than he is with movies. BUT-- whereas the physics/science issues in comics can be assessed with a "one miracle exception allowed" rule, MATRIX has a gaping hole, for example, with one of its most basic premises: the Technoids developing that enormous farm system to "grow" humans so that they can become living batteries for the Technoids (I'm coining that label-- don't know the correct one, offhand) needs. The Laws of Conservation of Mass, Energy, and Matter (or maybe just Mass & Energy) can't even remotely support that as a feasible enterprise. Even at its most efficient, there's no way at all that the human batteries could return even a fraction of the energy/mass investment it would take to grow and sustain them. It's horrific & dramatic, yes-- but it's just scientifically silly, and rather obvious. Boy, first slamming William Shatner, and now turning the ol' NoseBelly up at the Matrix--- how long can I maintain any goodwill at all in these parts. . . HB
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Post by pulpcitizen on Feb 25, 2012 16:42:39 GMT -5
Are you new, Pulp? If so, welcome aboard! I think everybody here is enjoying the vast majority of the movies Marvel/Disney is putting out. Been around for about a year or so. Thanks for the welcome. I have recently been re-watching the Marvel studios slate, and even the weakest (The Incredible hulk) holds up well for me, while the strongest (torn between Iron Man and Captain America for this) have such strong actors perfectly cast for playing their roles - not playing comic book characters, but their cinematic derivations. More importantly, I cannot but agree with what spiderwasp said about being impressed by Chris Evans being able to portray Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers so differently and so well.
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Post by bobc on Feb 27, 2012 13:34:50 GMT -5
I haven't seen some of the movies but loved all the X-Men movies (yes, even the 3rd), liked most of the Batmans, sort of liked the first FF movie and liked both Iron Man movies. Loved Watchmen. Liked Thor. The only comic movie I hated was Daredevil. Ben Afleck had no business being in that role and what they did to Electra was criminal.
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 29, 2012 16:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by starfoxxx on Feb 29, 2012 18:08:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the trailer, Shiryu.
I still can't believe my favorite comic book has finally got the big-screen treatment----looks fantastic.
It also makes me want to kick myself for selling my AVENGERS #1 (1963) back when I was in college.
Anyone thinking about selling any of their Avengers goodies, since the next few months will be the hottest, hype-ist time to sell? I've yet to start selling off any of my collectibles/comics, but I'd like to hear some feedback/stories about making money off the movie-hype of the new age of Marvel Movies.
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 29, 2012 21:15:12 GMT -5
This trailer's workin' on me! I think it would make me want to see the movie even if I didn't follow the comic book, in fact. I'd still like to see a couple of more "quiet" moments in the mix, but you know what? I don't think any of those brief snippets came off sounding hokey or forced or cliche' or artificial-- at least not to me. Everyone seemed committed and in-the-moment, as it were-- which is SO OFTEN not the case in superhero movies! Dare I say that that was one of the strongpoints of both Buffy and Firefly? Dare I hope that this brilliant director has indeed captured the inner spirit of this team?
Wow-- I've been holding off on letting my excitement build. . . but now. . . !
HB
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Post by kidcage on Mar 1, 2012 15:18:47 GMT -5
At the end of each of the lectures I use in my "Women in Film" course, I give the student a random video, usually something funny (opening song from "Three Amigos", etc)...
Last night, it was this. Nothing like a class room full of people go "I didn't know about this, but this looks AWESOME."
So I might've at least convinced 28 non-Avengers fans to see this movie.
If they do this right, which I have a slight feeling they will, I will see this movie four times in the theater.
Seriously Marvel... take my money.
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Post by bobc on Mar 2, 2012 12:52:15 GMT -5
Sorry I started a new thread about the new clip--I didn't realize Shir had already posted the new trailer.
Anyway--am I the only one who is finding it almost surreal that the mainstream world is suddenly so interested in Marvel superheroes? I mean actual news outlets reviewing these clips and pointing out where certain scenes came from? I am amazed! 15 years ago, nobody cared! The X-Men are a household name now but in the 70's, 80's & 90's I'd mention them to friends and get blank stares!
This is really weird!
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