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Post by goldenfist on Jun 8, 2011 23:44:23 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 9, 2011 8:42:53 GMT -5
Hunh.
Well. . . I can see this both ways. I'm pretty darned sure Cap's team (the next one) was about to offer him membership 'way, 'way back sometime before issue #50-- but DD slipped out the back door or something to avoid it. So there's a precedent for the idea, at least. But man, if anyone is more of a natural solo-operator than Spidey, it would have to be DD.
However, that New Avengers team resembles nothing more than it does the old Defenders team after it had been well-established. Especially w/ Doc Strange, Luke Cage, and Spidey on hand (it became a book with a LOT of folks wandering in and out!). And, due in large part to Defenders Giant-Size #3, I've always associated Hornhead w/ the Defenders. . . so maybe this works out?
Say, is Daredevil indeed Matt Murdock again?
HB
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Post by goldenfist on Jun 9, 2011 11:29:16 GMT -5
Yes Matt Murdock is Daredevil again.
Even Nighthawk calls them the New Defenders.
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Post by tomspasic on Jun 11, 2011 9:23:44 GMT -5
Alternate titles for the thread:
Daredevil's IQ to drop by 70 points in September
Daredevil to repeat back everything said to him, but as a question, in September
Daredevil to become much less interesting in September
Not that I'm bitter...
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Post by spiderwasp on Jun 11, 2011 10:08:14 GMT -5
Alternate titles for the thread: Daredevil's IQ to drop by 70 points in September Daredevil to repeat back everything said to him, but as a question, in September Daredevil to become much less interesting in September Not that I'm bitter... Daredevil's IQ is going to drop by 70 points in September? Daredevil is going to repeat everything said to him, but as question? In September? Daredevil is going to to become much less interesting in September? I'm not bitter? |
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 12, 2011 7:14:32 GMT -5
Boy, DD fell off of my list sooo many years ago, I'm afraid. Sometime late in, or after, the Ann Nocenti/JRjr run. Incomprehensible storylines involving Mephisto, and a ZILLION Ultrons (or at least an Ultron graveyard), and Gorgon & Karnak as supporting characters, and. . . Mephisoto's daughter, was it?
BUT, be that as it may-- are you a resident Daredevil fan, then, Mr. Spasic? That would be a nice addition to our crew. My question at the moment is, didn't Bendis have a well-received run on DD awhile back? And did he handle the character well then, or was he guilty at that point of the shallow writing shortcuts/tricks that you've astutely pointed out here?
I mean, I am entirely devoid of optimism at this point (Avengers #13 has me still resolved to let my sub lapse in 4 months), but I'm just curious about the take on his previous turn w/ the character.
HB
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Post by tomspasic on Jun 12, 2011 16:26:10 GMT -5
It was during Bendis' DD run that I began to tire of his limited bag of tricks. One particular issue which more or less entirely consisted of DD and Black Widow at a cafe having breakfast and talking, (largely about nothing, of course). And about the same time an issue with DD and Spider-man in Matt's apartment talking about spilled milk, literally. So even before his Avengers run I'd decided his stuff was unlikely to engage me further. And it didn't.
Like everyone reading comics at the time, I loved Miller on DD, but I actually preferred the earlier stuff where he had a real Eisner vibe going on. I liked "fall from grace", too. Since then, little has grabbed me. People seem a bit too derivative of Miller in terms of themes and stories, which at least Bendis could not be accused of.
I think DD is one of those characters a bit like Batman, who sort of need some isolation from the rest of Super-dom to work best. Team-ups, yes, but sparingly. He should really be used like the Spirit, to tell stories about more or less ordinary people in New York, (not endlessly necking down bagels with Wolverine, Cage and Spidey whilst saying and doing nothing).
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Post by goldenfist on Jun 13, 2011 12:01:26 GMT -5
They were trying to get Daredevil to join for a while I know it
looks like a bad thing but something might work out for Daredevil.
As long as Bendis has a good relationship with Marvel they will
let him do whatever he wants.
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 13, 2011 20:35:59 GMT -5
They were trying to get Daredevil to join for a while I know it looks like a bad thing but something might work out for Daredevil. As long as Bendis has a good relationship with Marvel they will let him do whatever he wants. You know what's kind of funny is that so many of the Marvel heroes are probably on more comfortably personal terms with Matt Murdock than they are with Daredevil, since practically ALL of them have had him as a lawyer at some point or another (Incredible Hulk #'s 152 & 153--- just as an eye-rollingly predictable example). HB |
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Post by freedomfighter on Jun 13, 2011 21:35:23 GMT -5
it's getting to the point where it's easier to say who isn't an avenger in the current MU.
personally I always found a squad of a-listers and then some b and c- list characters more interesting because it gives you more to work with, personality-wise (you can hate quicksilver and moondragon, but they make a book interesting...) as well as not conflicting with other appearances.
guess marvel isn't as concerned with that these days.
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Post by pulpcitizen on Aug 1, 2011 13:46:48 GMT -5
I have wanted DD aboard since New Avenegrs kicked off; I can see no strong argument against this other than the loner aspect, but even in that I feel he is a better fit than say Wolverine.
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 7, 2011 6:16:22 GMT -5
I have wanted DD aboard since New Avenegrs kicked off; I can see no strong argument against this other than the loner aspect, but even in that I feel he is a better fit than say Wolverine. Yes-- yes, I would have to agree with you on that. If nothing else, we've seen him in the MU for much longer, and he's always been a willing and co-operative collaborator in informal "team" environments. And, like Spidey, everyone knows him (although I have no idea of what his secret/not-secret identity status is these days). (And as Matt Murdock he's pretty much represented EVERYONE in court at some point-- multiple times for several. . . ) HB |
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 7, 2011 13:00:57 GMT -5
It's a pity that it will be in a Bendis-written book, because I quite like the idea of DD joining. I've said before when we were talking about Spider-Man that if Batman - the ultimate loner - has been part of the JLA since the start, I don't see any problems with Peter or Matt becoming Avengers after such a long solo career. BUT given the writer he will be just another snarky talking head  |
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 17, 2011 13:48:12 GMT -5
Somewhat OT, but I've read the first 3 issues of the new Daredevil series by Mark Waid and I've been pleasantly surprised. It felt much more like a comic book than everything happening before Shadowland, the art by Rivera was clean and neat, and there were characters like the Spot and Klaw.
Give it a look if you have the chance
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