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Post by woodside on Feb 12, 2011 10:15:24 GMT -5
Probably the best thing from Marvel in a long time, "Children's Crusade" has me enthralled. Is anyone else reading this masterpiece? Doom, Magneto, Kang/Iron Lad -- this is the book I've been wanting for a looooong time.
It nicely addresses the inconsistencies in Disassembled and follows up on House of M in a way that works. I have a feeling it's going to be redemption for Wanda!
My one and only complaint is the Doom/Wanda wedding seemed really silly. But it's forgiven with all the "holy crap" moments that have come up!
Anyone else reading this?
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Post by pulpcitizen on Feb 13, 2011 8:31:36 GMT -5
I love this book; I just hope we get more Heinberg-YA in the future.
I have a suspicion that at the end we will see an adult Vision (again) and Iron Lad back on the team.
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Post by comaboy on Jul 10, 2011 9:59:53 GMT -5
I love it, Heinberg "gets" how to write an Avengers title.
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Post by pulpcitizen on Aug 1, 2011 12:49:07 GMT -5
I am still loving this book; I really hope Marvel and Heinberg find a way for him to continue more frequently.
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Post by goldenfist on Oct 21, 2011 16:36:21 GMT -5
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Post by pulpcitizen on Dec 30, 2011 8:33:26 GMT -5
Issue #8 picked up today; I think I will savour it and leave it to read last.
Once I have finished re-reading Family Matters (pretty much an annual re-read of volume 1 as a whole for me), I think I will re-read all of Children's Crusade so far in anticipation of the finale.
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Post by spiderwasp on Dec 30, 2011 10:01:24 GMT -5
Yay! Due to the new internet provider I temporarily switched to being so bad I switched back to my original, I was able to re-establish my previous e-mail address and thus salvage my password. So, I'm back to being a founder rather a freaking New Avenger and no longer have to have a 2 after my name.
Anyway, as to CC, I too had thought about rereading the whole series before the finale since I have loved every issue as an individual but they have been so far apart that it is difficult to appreciate the flow. This issue was no exception. I can't wait for the finale.
*****Spoiler alert********
Loved Wiccan's speech. Every word of it was true. In real life, one can certainly see where forgiving the Scarlet Witch would be difficult. In a comic book reality, where all the things he mentioned have happened previously, it should be possible. I know I'm ready to forgive, forget, and move on.
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Post by pulpcitizen on Jan 2, 2012 12:03:06 GMT -5
Started my re-read, and loving doing so!
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Post by pulpcitizen on Jan 3, 2012 13:47:41 GMT -5
Just finished re-reading #1-7 today, followed by a first reading of #8.
I forgot just how many characters have been involved with the Young Avengers, the Avengers, X-Men, X-Factor and two of Marvel's biggest villains. A massive story. Really excited to see how this turns out and what the 'future' may hold for the Young Avengers (and hoping for more Heinberg and Cheung magic down the line with the YA team).
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Post by pulpcitizen on Mar 18, 2012 15:28:30 GMT -5
A poignant end to the series with #9. I look forwards to picking p the HC collection an re-reading it yet again. Great stuff.
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Post by comaboy on Oct 31, 2012 8:41:03 GMT -5
I'll start off by saying that I've loved Heinberg doing YA but that this series ultimately left me cold. I went back and reread it recently having let some time pass. There seems to be a lot of milling about and repeating the same things over and over without actually resolving the conflict. And when we do get to the end . . .
************SPOLIERS*************
. . . characters die for seemingly no particular reason. Maybe Cassie exchanged her life for her father's but it would have been nice if that choice had been made more explicit. And having the Vision killed again bothered me. Actually I get the impression that Heinberg wrote an ending which would allow him to avoid having to come back and write more actual YA titles, letting others pick up the characters as they wish.
Of course that's just my opinion . . .
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Post by tomspasic on Oct 31, 2012 16:22:21 GMT -5
I had some mixed feelings towards it (the Children's Crusade). I sort of enjoyed some of the "housecleaning" and fixing and character redemption undertaken in the book. But I also thought the book felt a little bit like it was written to do those things rather than to tell a story. And even though I liked those things, and welcome many of them (though not Cassie's death. Young Vision was, for me, an almost acceptable price to pay for getting back the "real" Vision). Having expressed those misgivings, (and getting in a quick carp about its lateness), I'd still say it was one of the better (marvel) books of the last few years. Not as good as Avengers Academy, though.
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Post by woodside on Oct 31, 2012 21:04:26 GMT -5
I do agree that some of it felt forced. The housecleaning aspects, especially, but I really enjoyed it otherwise.
I too wasn't fond of Cassie's death. Part of me likes to think that one of the reasons Vision showed up not long after this story is because Tony used parts of Young Vision to help rebuild him.
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Post by comaboy on Nov 1, 2012 13:37:41 GMT -5
Housecleaning is a good way to put it.
And I realize for the most part that having both a young and the old Vision running around at the same time is pretty needless. Still, a fate other than death would have been preferable to me, probably because I'm still miffed at the arbitrariness of the real Vision's death so many years ago.
What I'd really like is to see the Vision returned to the status he enjoyed so many years ago as one of the heavy hitters in the Marvel universe.
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Post by tomspasic on Nov 1, 2012 15:11:29 GMT -5
Housecleaning is a good way to put it. And I realize for the most part that having both a young and the old Vision running around at the same time is pretty needless. Still, a fate other than death would have been preferable to me, probably because I'm still miffed at the arbitrariness of the real Vision's death so many years ago. What I'd really like is to see the Vision returned to the status he enjoyed so many years ago as one of the heavy hitters in the Marvel universe. I'm personally so sick and tired of the multitude of Multicoloured Hulks and She-Hulks and Son-o-Hulks and Wolverine-Girls and Spider-Women and so on. So although "death" seems a bit harsh and arbitrary for "kid-vision", I'm just grateful to not have yet another diluted xerox tribute to Marvel's chronic lack of imagination and their customers' chronic lack of intelligence. It was one of my bug-bears about the Young Avengers to begin with, and although some good writing and art almost won me round, it remains a thorn in my side with the title. One of the reasons I love Academy is because Gage and McKone created NEW characters. And made them good. Sure, they aren't Purple-Son-of-Wolverine-Woman types who protect a copyright and squeeze a few more shekels from it. But they are new, and interesting. Even though almost all have powers that could have had them instead marketed as Kid-Electro, Taskmaster-Girl, Radioactive-Girl etc. etc. And there are hints that those origins and links may apply. Still, they gave them names and costumes and personalities of their own. If a teen robot/android is an idea that a writer or audience wants to explore, then create a new character, I say. Not "Teen-Machine" or "Kid-Vision", please. All that said, the character deserved better than death. If I'd had my way, a more respectful, if contrived, end for K-V would have been to give up his life and subsume his body and mind to bring back the original Vision (whose body or mind K-V was partly based on anyway). Close the circle, so some part of him lived on, and made the Vision's patchwork quilt of ancestry and personalities a bit richer. Killing Cassie was just wrong, and will at some point be un-done. Marvel desperately needs some new, original female characters. Yes, "Giant girl" or even "Stinger" is exactly the kind of Derivative I railed against above. At first glance. But think a little bit and you realize we've seen her grow up and become a hero, she did not spring fully-formed from Wolverine's or Red-Hulk's forehead. The CHARACTER preceded the hero. There was a poignancy to her legacy identity as Stature that has a kind of logic, and also an echo of old-fashioned super-hero comics origins. Not just "let's make a Red Ant-Man/Ant-Woman/son-of-Ant-man". So give her an identity of her own, a powerset of her own. Just insect control but no size-change, for instance.
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Post by humanbelly on Nov 2, 2012 13:35:49 GMT -5
H Not just "let's make a Red Ant-Man/Ant-Woman/son-of-Ant-man". So give her an identity of her own, a powerset of her own. Just insect control but no size-change, for instance. OMG, this will reference both your post and Woodside's (where he talks about Jan coming back, and not being "dark"): at the end of the current issue of Secret Avengers, this latest guy who is now Ant-Man (& whose name I have completely blocked out), turns out to be a bad-guy-controlled LMD who effectively announces in the last panel that we'd all better watch out, 'cause he's now the new guy in town . . . THE BLACK ANT-!!! And even though it does actually work better than most characters' putting "Black" or "Dark" in front of their name when they invariably go bad-- since there actually ARE black ants-- this cliche'd convention is far, FAR too long in the tooth to come across as anything but comic. Which I think it does. And I'm pretty sure it's unintentional. Besides-- we always think of black ants as the "good" ants, y'know? Hey, and Flash Thompson and Valkyrie hook up, too. Boy, that ol' high-school bully's come a long way, hasn't he? HB
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