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Post by drew on Apr 6, 2011 9:46:02 GMT -5
Shiryu Exactly! It seems Hawkeye rarely takes off his costume! I think everybody saw the Black Widow thing coming, but the foreshadowing of Civil War caught me by surprise. Plus the likely introduction of the Winter Soldier makes me think he might be the catalyst for the registration act. And Bobc, I thought the Hulk was being increasingly aggressive (talking about eating the Black Widow was a nice nod to the Ultimate version of Hulk) until Cap talked him down, but the Hulk has a lot of comedic potential, especially paired with Hawkeye. Still, everyone is scared of him, which is very much like his comic portrayal. I'm not sure, but the arrow shot was when they were fighting the circus of crime, right? I've seen that cover before but it has been awhile.. HB, I was watching Spider-Man 3 the other day, and while flawed, it isn't that bad. Blade 1,2,3 were pretty good. .. I guess I was most disappointed in Superman Returns.. it was just the original movie recycled with a kid thrown in, making Superman look like a jerk. I know Hollywood is bereft of ideas, but jeez that was insulting. That reminds me of The Man of Steel, which was great, versus John Byrne's revamp of Spider-Man which wasn't. My thoughts are Superman needed a clean slate, while Peter didn't. If you take care of your things you don't have to replace them constantly.
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Post by bobc on Apr 6, 2011 10:09:18 GMT -5
Pssst--a third episode is up.
Hey Drew--I don't recall who the Avengers were fighting in that issue, but the cover with Antman on Hawkeye's arrow is pretty famous. The simplicity of it made it a classic. It really stands out when you see it amidst the busier cover illustrations. All that being said, there is also a kind of scary quality about it--imagine being all of maybe two inches tall, and traveling on an arrow!
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Post by bobc on Apr 6, 2011 10:19:45 GMT -5
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Post by drew on Apr 6, 2011 12:08:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up, Bobc! Also those covers were great! It brought back a lot of memories. I wonder if we'll ever see Yellowjacket on EMH? Man, how would they handle that? They did a recreation of that cover in Avengers: Deathtrap: the Vault except with the Wasp. It was a pretty good story, featuring a prison riot with Venom and Thunderball fighting over whom is alpha dog. Ron Lim did some very solid art (as always) and I think a lot of "Breakout" is based on it. Incidentally, the Connor Hawke version of Green Arrow and the Atom took out Darkseid in a likewise fashion in the "Rock of Ages" storyline if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 6, 2011 16:42:52 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 6, 2011 16:46:18 GMT -5
Pssst--a third episode is up. Hey Drew--I don't recall who the Avengers were fighting in that issue, but the cover with Antman on Hawkeye's arrow is pretty famous. The simplicity of it made it a classic. It really stands out when you see it amidst the busier cover illustrations. All that being said, there is also a kind of scary quality about it--imagine being all of maybe two inches tall, and traveling on an arrow! *gasp* The Taskmaster! It was the Taskmaster! (*pant* *pant*--- my illegitimate internet access at work has been deteriorating steadily, and I've been unable to chime in with that bit of trivia in order to give a questionable boost to my delusional self-image of being at least marginally well-versed in certain arenas of Marvel continuity & history. . . !) (Feels kinda anticlimactic now. . . ) It seems like T-Master's early appearances were geared more towards making him an Ant-Man foe in particular. Yep, one of my favorite covers, too. Remember a thread many months ago, discussing some in-house list of "100 greatest Marvel covers ever"-? I believe we discussed here the fact that this cover didn't even crack that list. . . HB
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Post by bobc on Apr 6, 2011 17:09:04 GMT -5
There already is another one, Shir!!!
IRON MAN FANS--go immediately to Witchcraftial's channel, this is an ORDER not a request--I will say no more but you are in for a TREAT.
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Post by bobc on Apr 6, 2011 17:10:37 GMT -5
Thanks, HB--you are right, it was the Taskmaster! Your info has been over-shadowed by a yet another DYNAMITE episode of EMH!!!!!!
If that cover didn't make the Top 100, well, something's wrong!!!
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 6, 2011 17:19:16 GMT -5
I love how the writers allow all the Avengers to shine. We all have our favorites, but this cartoon lets everybody have his or her moment(s). HB--forgive me--but I always saw the Hulk as a great villain or guest star, but thought he was too erratic to be on a team like the Avengers. EMH has made me a believer. The Hulk is probably the funniest character on the team, along with the Wasp. Any scene with the Hulk and Hawkeye, or Wasp and Hulk, grab my attention. . Honestly, it's like the writers had been reading my mind for the last 40 years. Yes, nearly every attempt to work the Hulk into the disciplined, organized Avengers structure seemed to fail before it ever got off the ground, because-- a) he's impossibly & dangerously volatile, and b) because every other member of the team seems to have been lobotomized when it comes to recognizing that simple fact. INEVETIBLY (and usually immediately) someone gets intimidated or irritated by ol' Greenskin, and gets in his face, and invariably calls him a "Monster" (or something synonymous). And then a battle ensues, and it's all-- "well, obviously he's just an uncontrollable savage! What were we thinking??" How about, "Don't belittle him, attempt to bully him, or call him EXTREMELY hurtful names right to his face while asking him to join your group??" Y'know, the Defenders managed to keep him in the fold for years and years. . . and Doc Strange never failed to treat him openly with respect and friendship (although there were plenty of outbursts--make no mistake). The read-through of his title offered a particular revelation: time and time again an event or situation would go horribly awry because of someone directly calling the Hulk a MONSTER. That particular word-- it was like, "Niagara Falls!!---Sloooowly I turned. . . !" He hated being considered a monster, hated the fact of his being one (which he considered himself to be), and it just tore a piece out of his heart every time he was called one. And what's really neat in EMH is that same scenario existed. . . AND IT WAS HANDLED REALISTICALLY AND MATURELY. Effectively, Thor apologized for his ill-treatment of the Hulk. Wasp has his back during battle. Hawkeye treats him directly like a pal & teammate-- not intimidated, no agenda. AS A KID I couldn't understand why that couldn't be the case--- especially with the childlike Hulk who was just heartbreakingly starved for acceptance & companionship. Oh daggone it, bobc-- you lured me right back out into a Hulk-rant again, didn't ya? You are a crafty one, ol' pal. . . HB
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Post by drew on Apr 6, 2011 19:27:48 GMT -5
@hb I think that was something a lot of Hulk stories were shooting for- you leave the Hulk alone; you're fine. But if you make him angry.. In many ways the Hulk is just a big kid, essentially. A nice touch on EMH is seeing Hulk enjoying himself a little. I never thought of TM as an Ant-man foe; I always thought he was an excuse for all the henchmen running around the MU, but you might be onto something that was dropped or forgotten. And how scary is Ultron? Tom Kane just knocks it out of the park! If anyone hasn't seen Next Avengers, he is just as good there. I know there is an huge scheme by Loki in the works, but the guy to watch is Hank Pym. Ultron is based on his philosophy of peace though he ultimately perverts it and takes it to a logical, if inhuman extreme. Essentially, if Ultron is wrong.. then Hank is wrong, at least to him. I can see Yellowjacket happening as a result of trying to distance himself from his failure. I don't know what EMH's staff is up to, but they have my gratitude. I also liked seeing the beast from Yancey street giving Cap a hand, but I still want to see Hercules.
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Post by bobc on Apr 6, 2011 19:58:51 GMT -5
HB--You fell into my trap! Hee hee! This is what has me so psyched about this series! The stories are so respectful of Marvel history, yet not slaves to it! They take the foundation and build on it without compromising anything! Every time I think there is ample space to derail, they never do! I have never, in all my years, felt so excited about an animated Marvel series (not that that is anything big considering what's gone before)--and I am noticing that comic fans across all the boards are ranting and raving! No nasty nit-picking, no whining that this character or that one isn't getting enough face-time--everybody loves it!
We have to make sure this thang endures!!! Despite the crappy promotion and ever changing timeslots, this is the animated series all Avengers fans have been waiting for!!
And yes, HB, your beloved Hulk is a breakout star on the show. I'm noticing that the Wasp, Hulk and Black Panther are the characters that are getting attention!
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Post by drew on Apr 6, 2011 20:27:29 GMT -5
Guys, I don't know where to start. I loved seeing all the other Iron Man armors, especially the "classic" and original ones. If someone had told me a few years ago I'd see a faithful adaption of the Lee-Kirby-Perez- Thomas etc, classic comics recreated with loving detail and nice winks to the fans, I would never have believed it. But here it is! This show has something for the old school and the new school. bobc I keep thinking the same thing about derailment... but then they steer it into a logical area, and it just works. I tend to expect the worst, but then they reveal a larger plan and all the pieces fall into place. All comic based shows should have this quality.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 7, 2011 6:37:14 GMT -5
Episode 23 is out!! Going back to 22: the Serpent Society!! And Ultron analysing Cap's shield, probably so that he can rebuild himself in adamantium next time. This shows pays a lot of attention to details
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Post by bobc on Apr 7, 2011 9:00:24 GMT -5
Drew--that was the Iron Man treat I was hinting at. When Iron Man comes clomping out in that old gray suit--the one that looks like an old school vacuum cleaner with eyes, I just about died!
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Post by bobc on Apr 7, 2011 9:32:24 GMT -5
OMIGOD--23 ROCKED! Man FINALLY somebody gets how to do the Panther RIGHT!
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Post by drew on Apr 7, 2011 11:22:11 GMT -5
Shiryu. You're probably right on the money! I thought he was analyzing it for flaws, but as Ultron comes back as adamantium that makes more sense. bobc My favorite IM armor is the classic 80's one, but the gray one is great too. Guys, the Marvel characters, when treated properly make a great show. Who saw that coming?
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Post by bobc on Apr 7, 2011 13:10:51 GMT -5
I sure didn't! This series totally blind-sided me! Trust me when I say I viewed the first episode with zero high hopes.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 7, 2011 14:26:16 GMT -5
I was hopeful, but this series is far beyond my expectations!
Did you notice Thor quoting himself from Ultron Unlimited when he says "we would have words with thee"? Or "password: synthezoid" Even the way Ant-Man enters his body reminded me of the journey inside Vision (whom I still really hope we will get to see)
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Post by bobc on Apr 7, 2011 14:54:15 GMT -5
Good lord, Shir--I noticed every single one of those things--and got all tingly when the synthezoid comment was made. Could this, along with Hank going into the body of Ultron, be setting us up for one of our favorite Avengers coming on board? My guess is YES!
You know what else is weird--just yesterday I was thinking I was hoping they'd let the Wasp do something really cool like growing huge, and I was also wondering if they'd ever show the Panther's enhanced senses being an asset in a fight. Sure enough--both things occurred! This show just gets better and better and better.
I loved the serpent squad too. And that's another thing. I was fretting that maybe too many super dangerous menaces like Kang or that Frost Elf guy might get mind-numbing after a while, and boom! The Serpent Society! It was a nice break to see the Avengers fighting lesser villains--creepy as they were!
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 7, 2011 15:21:54 GMT -5
You know what else is weird--just yesterday I was thinking I was hoping they'd let the Wasp do something really cool like growing huge, and I was also wondering if they'd ever show the Panther's enhanced senses being an asset in a fight. Sure enough--both things occurred! This show just gets better and better and better. Do you reckon it was hit enhanced vision in that scene? I thought he had some infra-red system built in his mask, the way his eyes changed colour. But I suppose it could be him too. I love the Wasp so far, she is... I don't know, pure. She reminds me of Jolt from the original Thunderbolts, idealistic and caring. It's also nice to see how the team means more and more to the members now, Hawkeye wanted to leave the episode after he joined, but in #21 he refuses the Widow's offer saying his place is with the Avengers. And Wasp says they mean a lot to her.
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Post by bobc on Apr 7, 2011 16:01:15 GMT -5
Well, whether it was the suit or his senses, it was great to see him be the guy to "see" the invisible Iron Man. I loved the acrobatics too. Yost promised to make the Panther formidable and he certainly has kept his word.
The Wasp has always been one of my favorite Avengers--even when she was useless in the 60's.
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Post by kidcage on Apr 7, 2011 16:36:02 GMT -5
Episode 20: <> I loved the battles in this, along with Human Torch and Thing showing up to help out. Torch's "You Owe Me" with Cap saluting was classic, and when Hawkeye is facing off with the monsters and he gets the "Oh crap" look on his face I had to allow myself to laugh. And when Cap originally shows up to battle, I thought it was this cool scene, just kind of oozed "That's right NY, Captain America is still here to protect you."
Episode 21: <>Loved Cap's talk with the Hulk, it was a great moment between the two and a great moment to see the Hulk accepted by Cap. Also the different teams you see (Wasp/IM, Hawkeye/Hank/BW, etc) make for great interaction. There's a lot of great character interactions that make this a good team show versus "Iron Man and Friends" which was what I feared the show would be. And watching AIM and Hydra go to war with each other was fun. And the homage with Ant-Man/Hawkeye to Avengers 233 was a nice touch as well. And Hawkeye flipping in with the "Everybody Relax, I'm here to save the world again" was AWESOME. There's just a lot to like about this cartoon.
Episode 22: <>Ultron always makes for a fun time, and there were so many nice little moments that made me realize how CREEPY he can be. Analyzing Cap's shield was a nice touch, along with continually promising Janet he can't hurt her... yet. Or when he re-boots after the shutdown code was just eerie. And IM showing up in the old tin-can was nice, and Ultron's reaction to the Hulk showing up and Hank telling him to rip him apart... priceless.
Episode 23: <>To see the different Iron Armors under Ultron's control was a nice little add to see some cartoon interpretations of the different armors. And Thor... oh man... Thor. Like I said before, there's just so much to enjoy about this show, and it just seems like it's all done with love toward the source material.
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Post by drew on Apr 8, 2011 1:48:35 GMT -5
Personally I was a little skeeved out seeing Jan and Clint poolside; it reminded me of some of those horrible Chuck Austen stories, like when they were having a semi-affair behind Hank's back. Speaking of which, why was Ultron never reset? Is it not possible? Maybe his programming had progressed too far... But seeing Ultron's brain based on Pym was priceless... in one fell swoop it covers all of his mental problems and instabilities through the years. A very nice idea by Mr. Busiek. And bobc, I agree, once in awhile the Avengers have to take on some second stringers, if only to make the big villains seem cooler. That is why I was happy to see the Madrill. If they will animate a monkey guy in a powder blue shirt wearing a red cape, well all bets are off. I thought it interesting the Hulk and T'challa brought in the Red Ghost, though. If the Avengers can tangle with FF foes, maybe the Sinister Six or the Kingpin are waiting in the wings. My new expectation is this: can EMH make the evil team Zodiac interesting? They can mix and match different members, but I can't see how it could be done.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 8, 2011 3:15:26 GMT -5
Episode 24 is out!
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Post by bobc on Apr 8, 2011 8:35:28 GMT -5
oh GOD!!!!! Another episode?!!!!
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Post by bobc on Apr 8, 2011 8:42:29 GMT -5
I'm not seeing it, Shir. Are you talking about Witchcraftial's site?
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 8, 2011 9:07:09 GMT -5
He might not have it up yet, just type Avengers 24 in youtube EDIT: he just put it up now too
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Post by bobc on Apr 8, 2011 9:54:18 GMT -5
Yeah I got it--thanks
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 8, 2011 10:02:17 GMT -5
I just rewatched it. Love how they weren't afraid of making the inhabitants of some of the other worlds really creepy, especially the dark elves surrounding the Dynamo, or the dead spirts in the cemeterary. Hawkeye was the funniest "I have an elf giving me a dirty look" I also appreciate that the Avengers didn't happen to fight the one member of the Masters' ranks closest to them. It would have felt forced to have the Hulk meet the Abomination or Cap Zemo, instead we had Wasp vs Abomination (!) or Cap vs Crimon Dynamo. And Black Panther held his own against Wonder Man! On the down side, Tony's plan to separate the Avengers in solo missions was a bit risky. If not for Hank we would have lost Wasp. I also don't see the point in killing (?) Grey Gargoyle, who could have still been useful. PS, the Karnilla cameo at the beginning was great!
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Post by bobc on Apr 8, 2011 15:51:21 GMT -5
I like Hank and Jan better as a team than solo. The take on Jan on EMH seems much closer to her character in the 60's, personality-wise. I like it. She's sweet and funny and I loved that she was afraid of the Abomination.
I think it's kind of sweet that the Hulk does anything she says, too.
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