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Post by starfoxxx on Jan 15, 2011 15:41:20 GMT -5
The Kang episode was the best yet, IMO. I really think the battle against Kang works so much better animated, because as much as i love the Avengers, Kang was never one of my favorite villains. (Avengers #69 with the Growing Man was pretty cool, tho: I love that cover). This Kang was tougher than the one I imagined through the comics, with a Vader-esque voice, even his spacecraft looked like an Imperial Destroyer. Can't wait for a DVD (and my cheap butt NEVER buys stuff new, I'll make an exception here). My DVR is getting filled up.
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 16, 2011 8:59:02 GMT -5
Hey, I'm caught up through the Kang episode! (Finished watching on my company's laptop whilst Daughter of HB was in a long series of dance classes). And here's the thing-- this animated series seems to generate a much-missed feeling I remember from younger days: the strange, quavering, oddly-symbiotic mixture of regret (that this installment has ended) and delight (at how much I'm enjoying it). An episode wraps up, and you sit there with an open-mouthed grin, staring ahead, and going, "Oh, MAN!! That's just-- OH, MAN-!!"-- pretty much like the goobery 13 or 14-year-old we probably all kind of remember being. There are many, many things being done right and done well with this series. I've never watched much of any of the earlier Marvel animated cartoon series (never had cable-- nor time, for that matter!), so I don't really have a basis for comparison. But that may in fact be in EMH's favor for me. No false expectations, high or low. And while I've earlier touched on several aspects that I was liking a lot, let me talk a moment here on an element that is particularly solid-- the voiceover work.
The cast seems to be an unusual mix regular actor-types (Lance Henrikson, Jeff Coombs), voiceover stalwarts (Cam Clarke, Mark Hamil-- whose voice you NEVER recognize as being Luke Skywalker! He's quite versatile-), and brand new talent (Dawn Olivieri). I don't know much about how this field works-- but I'm guessing this would suggest that the talent was carefully selected-- probably even auditioned for-- rather than just having an agency send over a handful of "types" to the studio for the session. Particularly strong are the voices for Iron Man/Tony, Wasp/Janet, Mockingbird, Hawkeye, Grim Reaper (Henrikson), Leader (Coombs-- & truly a fantastic interpretation-- absolutely nails the smarmy, insufferably superior tone & mind-set), and Nick Fury. Liking the Hulk, too-- REALLY hard to attach a voice to him that doesn't sound forced, fake, or just comical. The one drawback is that there are a lot of forthright alpha-male hero "types" (Cap, Thor, Hank, Capt Marvel come immediatly to mind) whose tones can sound similar. But it's not for lack of talent, by any means.
Ah! Breakfast is ready-- must run!
HB
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Post by visionloveswanda on Jan 16, 2011 11:46:40 GMT -5
Okay, so I screwed around this morning and worked right through the show. Have to wait until this evening to catch the second showing. How was it? Any big reveals from the developing storyline?
RE: Black Panther should have a bigger role in the show: I agree, he has always been one of my favorites, but I did like how in the previous (first) Kang episode he was the first one to harm him because he was so fast and "catlike".
Hoping today's show was a good one...
VLH
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 16, 2011 17:54:30 GMT -5
I've just watched it, marvellous episode! For the most part it's a big slugfest but with some interesting touches.
SPOILER
I especially liked how Cap automatically takes charge on the field, although not everyone is happy with this (Tony and the Hulk in particular didn't seem to like it too much). Also having the Avengers reprogram the Ultrons to fight was a surprising twist. I can imagine one of them being damaged and becoming the Ultron we know.
And there was a Black Knight cameo!
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Post by visionloveswanda on Jan 16, 2011 19:25:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the sneak peak Shiryu! I have three more hours before it airs again here. Looking forward to it!
Your "spoiler" just made me look forward to it even more!!!
--VLH
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Post by drew on Jan 17, 2011 1:28:57 GMT -5
Very action packed, maybe too much so, but I think they wanted to show why Ultron had to be brought into the field. It would have been neat to show a rag-tag team of super-villains trying to fight off Kang, or maybe some Doombots defending Latveria while Castle Doom is silhouetted against the moon..
Personally, the previews for next week make me worry a bit, with all the Avengers wearing Iron Man type suits to attack Damocles, but I'll stay optimistic. I was pleased to see the Panther get some screen time this episode, and he left to defend Wakanda, which he should. It took me awhile to figure out what they were trying to do with T'Challa, but I think now he the team ninja-type character. He's stealthy, quick, uses bladed weapons and tends to remain silent. The team has enough powerhouse heroes, so this is an actually interesting take, considering they could have emphasized his royal status. It could really help the character, like Snake Eyes from G.I. Joe, it makes the character stand out from a bunch of brawny he-men. @hb Jeff Combs was great as the Question on JLU, as was the interpretation of the character; instead of a spiritually conflicted martial artist he was portrayed as a paranoid conspiracy buff with very few people skills and a knack for getting at the truth. Mark Hamill was off the charts as the Spectre on Batman: the Brave and the Bold episode "The Chill of the Night!", and Kevin Conroy as the Phantom Stranger was excellent. Throw in Adam West, Julie Newmar, and Richard Moll and as a person who enjoys voice acting I was on cloud nine!
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 17, 2011 5:37:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the sneak peak Shiryu! I have three more hours before it airs again here. Looking forward to it! Your "spoiler" just made me look forward to it even more!!! --VLH If you miss the morning broadcast again have a look at the first page of this topic, towards the bottom I posted a youtube link where the episodes are uploaded weekly. I watch them there as I'm from outside the US and they are usually online around the time I posted my message. It also helps to differentiate him from Cap, who has similar fighting skills.
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Post by drew on Jan 17, 2011 15:03:23 GMT -5
Shiryu Exactly! When the Panther first showed up to join the Avengers he stated he was Cap's replacement, and minus the shield he pretty much was. I figured in EMH they didn't use him much because they didn't know what to do with him, and I was irritated he didn't have many lines of dialogue. A few years back they established he was actually spying on the Avengers, and although I didn't care much for the idea at least it fleshed him out a little. That is something I like about the Marvel characters overall; they can be interpreted several ways for the most part. The Hulk for example can be portrayed as an engine of mindless destruction, or a simple creature that is trying to find it's place in the world, or a desperate man trying to reign in his potential for destruction. In EMH they pretty much mashed up '60's Hulk (crafty Hulk, feared by people) with his portrayal from the '70's (Hulk smash! Leave Hulk alone!) and it works beautifully. The exciting part of the show is seeing how they can produce a different but still faithful interpretation of each character. I know you are not the biggest fan of Thor, but I believe they are going to do some interesting character development soon on the thunder god, as Loki is pitting son against father, with Asgard, Sif, Jane Foster, and the Avengers caught in the middle.
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Post by bobc on Jan 17, 2011 15:20:51 GMT -5
I love how the Panther hits his top speed on all fours--the whole cat aspect of his character in comics has been missing for years! I also loved how, when he first meets the avengers, he's posed like a stalking cat on the Avengers' mansion fence! Well done! The whole catlike thing is what grabbed me in the first place. Love the stealth bits too--and the acrobatics! His whole fighting tecnique should be very acrobatic and different from Captain America, who is less agile and more of a traditional fighter.
OMIGOD-the Black Knight appears! If you blinked, you'd miss it--but he was definitely there!
This cartoon is single-handedly erasing my cynicism over Marvel in the past few years!
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 17, 2011 16:04:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I was excited at seeing the Black Knight defending London! I half expected Captain Britain to show up too, and wished for more cameos in those scenes from the likes of X-Men, Spidey, the Winter Guard, Alpha Flight and so on. It would have been great but even so it was good! I know you are not the biggest fan of Thor, but I believe they are going to do some interesting character development soon on the thunder god, as Loki is pitting son against father, with Asgard, Sif, Jane Foster, and the Avengers caught in the middle. As a character, Thor is my favourite I think together with Spidey. There is just something with his portrayal on the show which hasn't quite clicked with me yet. Maybe with the Hulk there his role as strongest Avenger is diminished, or maybe it's because he hasn't siglehandedly saved the day yet the way he would do from time to time in the comic books. Oh well, hopefully the time will come. At the moment, my only real criticism is Cap and Hawkeye jumping from planes and landing on their feet or jumping 10 meters up in the air, they look like they have been bitten by radioactive kangaroos ^^ But I'm nitpicking, this show is marvellous!
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Post by visionloveswanda on Jan 17, 2011 17:41:09 GMT -5
I noticed that about Cap and Hawk also. Hawkeye in particular isn't supposed to have powers. so it is especially wrong for him. Its probably aimed at the demographic, but with the big all-out mauls they have going in the series results in all the Avengers looking like they are essentially equal. The other way to go with it is for each to be more specialized, but that would also require more sophisticated, more complex-plotting and in a 30 minute show with the kiddos watching that would be next to impossible.
I agree about the Panther. he needs to have more dialogue, but the stealthy-catlike, ninja is a great way to think about how they are developing him.
As for Thor and Hulk, I wish they were both used more sparingly, yet have the devastating "save-the-day" impact they really ought to have.
But, like everyone else, I'm still diggin' the show!
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Post by drew on Jan 17, 2011 17:41:39 GMT -5
Shiryu. I guess I misinterpreted your posts about Thor. I really like the character personally but like Captain America either you are are huge fan or you are not. Then again, Thor has been needlessly complicated over the years. I remember reading the Don Blake origin and kind of liking it, then Don Blake was just a vessel for Thor, then Don Blake was an imperfect replica of some other guy, then Thor lived on earth, then Eric Masterson, then Jake Olsen.. I guess everyone's idea of what Thor should be is a little different. I'd be interested in what your ideal Thor is, or how you see the character. This is why I'd love to see Hercules, because he has many of the same set-ups as Thor, but the show could easily portray him as wreckless, arrogant, misogynist, and it would all be in character for Hercules. Or, conversely they could show Herc as being more in touch with humans since he is half human himself. Incidentally, didn't you think Jane Foster's partner in "Thor the mighty" was Demetrius, Jake Olsen's partner during the Dan Jurgens run on Thor?
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Post by bobc on Jan 17, 2011 20:08:28 GMT -5
I didn't want to be negative since this cartoon is so good, but since others brought it up, I agree that Hawkeye and Cap's ability to leap or land hundreds of feet without injury is bad. There are a million ways to write a character but making everyone equal will only dull their appeal. I didn't like Mockingbird's telescoping pole, either. Her fighting skills in that one episode were so impressive that she didn't, IMO, need over-the-top anything.
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Post by spiderwasp on Jan 17, 2011 22:29:49 GMT -5
I didn't want to be negative since this cartoon is so good, . I don't think it's being particularly negative to comment on the little flaws even if something is really good. I tell my students (I teach Theatre) that when I nitpick, it's really a great compliment. If I can talk about how a particular gesture is too repetitive or one line comes out sounding odd, it's because I'm not having to say "Quit turning your back to the audience, speak up, learn you lines." With this series, I feel like we all agree that the big things are good. I don't hear comments like "They don't understand the characters, the characters all talk the same way, or the episodes are draggy and nothing seems to happen." Instead the criticisms are all in the minor details and that's a huge compliment to the creators. While we're discussing the little things though, I have to ask "What's with the Wasp's hair?" She looks great otherwise and they've done a brilliant job of combining her ditzy superficial personality of the earlier years with her powerful contributions to the team from later years but that hair just doesn't make sense. Everyone else's hair looks fairly normal but hers is just...I don't even know how to describe it. I've never seen a human with hair like that and it's not even just part of her costume. On one episode, she was in street clothes and it was still there. Oh, and Clint has a really odd nose, especially from the side. If I didn't know the role had already been cast in the Avengers movie, I'd swear they were setting us to to cast Owen Wilson in the role.
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Post by drew on Jan 18, 2011 2:13:06 GMT -5
It's funny, but the jumping thing doesn't really bother me. I guess I got used to Cap doing that kind of thing in the Ultimates and since EMH is sort of mix and match of Marvel lore I just went with it. Hawkeye is harder to explain, but some details just have to be fudged a little to tell a story and I'm okay with that. I think the way his nose looks is because it's been broken numerous times.
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 18, 2011 6:07:41 GMT -5
[ I tell my students (I teach Theatre) that when I nitpick, it's really a great compliment. If I can talk about how a particular gesture is too repetitive or one line comes out sounding odd, it's because I'm not having to say "Quit turning your back to the audience, speak up, learn you lines." With this series, I feel like we all agree that the big things are good. I don't hear comments like "They don't understand the characters, the characters all talk the same way, or the episodes are draggy and nothing seems to happen." Instead the criticisms are all in the minor details and that's a huge compliment to the creators. While we're discussing the little things though, I have to ask "What's with the Wasp's hair?" She looks great otherwise and they've done a brilliant job of combining her ditzy superficial personality of the earlier years with her powerful contributions to the team from later years but that hair just doesn't make sense. Everyone else's hair looks fairly normal but hers is just...I don't even know how to describe it. I've never seen a human with hair like that and it's not even just part of her costume. On one episode, she was in street clothes and it was still there. Oh, and Clint has a really odd nose, especially from the side. If I didn't know the role had already been cast in the Avengers movie, I'd swear they were setting us to to cast Owen Wilson in the role. Sweet Jehosephat--- another teacher! VLW, dlw, owenelw, and now Spiderwasplw (swlw?), and I do believe Badgermaniaclw (bgmclw??). It's gettin' irreversibly academic around here! Pretty soon we'll all be wearin' threadbare tweed suit jackets w/ leather elbow patches & smoking pipes! (Shar, this may be a little rough on you. . . ) We'll while away the best years of our lives malingering in the teachers' lounge, bad-mouthing the principal, discussing the finer points of Praust & the quadratic formula, and berating the crushing burden of NCLB-!! Our stomachs will growl at the prospect of those tasty cafeteria fish sandwiches-!! Oh wait-- I'm not a teacher. This'll really mostly be you guys, I think. I'll be in the auditorium building the set for the school play. . . HB
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 18, 2011 6:25:15 GMT -5
Oh-- but anyhoo, back to the at-hand subject(s):
We're all catching the same details- both the easter eggs and the quirky flaws- which I think is pretty cool. And SW's point about having nothing to fuss about other than nitpicky points is very true. Although, if even a small flaw takes a viewer/audience member out of the moment, it's probably worth correcting.
Wasp's hair: Yep, it's. . . inexplicable. Y'know- she looks like she's Shi'ar, doesn't she? I wouldn't be surprised if it elicits a comment within the context of an episode at some point. . .
Cap/Hawkeye's big landing: "Oh come on"- was my immediate reaction. Looked cool, sure (Hawk landed on a car roof, which supposedly took some of the impact??)-- but it certainly makes everyone too much on the same level of "Super", as it were. What was very neat was the Jumping-into-Action-and-Loving-It smile on Hawkeye's face just as he leapt out of the frame at the end of that shot.
Bobbi's staff: No real precedent for that thing; wildly implausible; physically impossible (even more than usual)-- as that staff simply couldn't contain that much material; and it was used as a deus ex machina, which I always kind of don't like.
Clint's nose: Yes, I took it as being much-broken. Saying a lot about his character without having to use dialog to do it. I like that a lot.
Hey, and the character interaction overall is great! It's being done in a minimalist fashion, but the moments and words are chosen so well that volumes are spoken. The Hawkeye/Hulk bonding (Two of my favorite characters!); Hank & Jan's relationship; Jan & Thor teaming up regularly; the "who's stronger" rivalry between Hulk & Thor; Hank as Tony's conscience--
ah, I could go on, but Wife of HB has to get on the computer. . .
HB
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Post by bobc on Jan 18, 2011 8:48:11 GMT -5
I think I can explain the hair. long hair is really hard and time-consuming to animate. Since the Wasp is so prominent in every episode, they probably wanted to keep her animation time down--as opposed to say Mockingbird who isn't around much. And even MB's hair is sort of a blob, which is easier to animate that more realistic locks. I'm guessing that that is the reason, anyway. Jan's always has short hair--so they probably just decided to give her that anime look.
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 18, 2011 17:20:19 GMT -5
I think you are right. They seem to have made her more anime-line in other aspects too, the eyes in particular are much wider then the male Avengers'. Shiryu. I guess I misinterpreted your posts about Thor. I really like the character personally but like Captain America either you are are huge fan or you are not. Then again, Thor has been needlessly complicated over the years. I remember reading the Don Blake origin and kind of liking it, then Don Blake was just a vessel for Thor, then Don Blake was an imperfect replica of some other guy, then Thor lived on earth, then Eric Masterson, then Jake Olsen.. I guess everyone's idea of what Thor should be is a little different. I'd be interested in what your ideal Thor is, or how you see the character. I think a lot of it has to do with the take on the character of the first one or two writers who are working on him you read. At least I tend to become "imprinted" with the first versions I encounter. As for Thor, I first read him during the end of Shooter's run and the Stern's run on Avengers, so I tend to think of him as noble, a bit holier-than-thou, at times broody and proud but not boastful or dim-witted. Back then he had the medical knowledge of Don Blake and centuries of fighting experience, so much so that his cleverness was rated 4/7 (or 8) on the Marvel Handbook, whereas now it's 2, which is normal human. I also never cared much for his human side, possibly because Don Blake never appeared much on Avengers. You are right!! I couldn't place my finger on it, but now that you mention it that's certainly the case! Me too, nice example of characterization without needing to use words. EDIT: I forgot -- did you notice the "Avengers Assemble" logo at the end of the opening, bottom right of the screen? I keep hoping for a ".net" to appear after it ;D
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Post by spiderwasp on Jan 18, 2011 21:52:52 GMT -5
Oh-- but anyhoo, back to the at-hand subject(s): Wasp's hair: Yep, it's. . . inexplicable. Y'know- she looks like she's Shi'ar, doesn't she? I wouldn't be surprised if it elicits a comment within the context of an episode at some point. . . HB lol. Shi'ar! That's it! For some reason, I couldn't quite place it but you are absolutely right. Any episode now, Lilandra could show up and tell her to get her butt back home.
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Post by drew on Jan 19, 2011 2:49:41 GMT -5
Shiryu I'm not immediately familiar with that version of Thor; my first introduction to the character was Norse mythology, so the Marvel version of Thor was a bit jarring to say the least. I think they have struck a nice balance between the various interpretations. Especially his dialogue. Every once in awhile he'll say "Verily" or something else archaic; but for the most part he speaks standard English. If he said something like "Thou art troubled; what is thy concern?" many comics fans would love it (myself included) but it might turn off newer fans. I also like how they handle the flying part, because honestly throwing Mjolnir then grabbing the thong would be a headache to write/animate. I think this Thor is one torn between his feelings of his duties between Asgard and Odin and his personal wishes to have a life of his own. I see him as a proud but somewhat reluctant warrior. I never considered Thor as slow witted; just unfamiliar with Midgard in some aspects. I think once the whole Loki thing is wrapped up it will add a lot more depth to his character; perhaps he just needs a bit more development. Anyway, has anyone else noticed that most of the background paintings in Stark Tower/Avengers mansion are very Jackson Pollock-like? And in the first Iron Man movie Pepper mentioned a Pollock piece for sale? Maybe it's a coincidence, but I think it might be like the "Kirby Kibble" the dot-like dog food from "Masters of Evil", a nudge and wink to longtime fans. Finally, I'm glad to find a message board where everyone is so friendly and insightful. It's a real pleasure to converse with fellow Avengers fans in a polite atmosphere. Thanks everybody!
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 19, 2011 10:26:39 GMT -5
Really, I'm liking this take on Thor quite a lot, although I have to grant that he's been just about the least explored character so far. The voice-over does work for me-- and I think it's a tough one to nail (think of how horribly stilted Clive Reville (sp) is in Ultimate Alliance 1, and Jim Cummings (an industry STAR!) can't convey the substantial physical presence in Ultimate Alliance 2). He's a big guy, on whom a big, somewhat formal "hero" voice isn't inappropriate. I think this actor does a fine job of assimilating it and integrating it. As written, we're seeing a character who is not overly-complex (which I completely agree with), and yet still can have depth. His conflict with his father, his divided allegiance between Asgard and Midgard, his looking-at-humanity-from-the-outside station-- I'm getting all of those. I'm really impressed by the up-front commitment to his choice to be a much-needed protector of humanity over the needs of beloved Asgard in the face of retaliation from those he holds dear. Small moments have done a lot to define him, as well:
-Nervously fiddling with the head of his hammer while talking to the very brave & attractive Jane Foster. (That scene is very reminiscent of Fox's Tick cartoon, in fact-!)
-The slight loss for words whilst hurling taunting battle cries at Modoc.
-Boasting about competing w/ the Hulk for who could kill the most Kang-bots (That was a particularly terrific moment, as it sums up in a line or so aspects of his personality that I would probably take 2 or 3 paragraphs to talk about-- the gleeful warrior, the earth-protector, the immortal being who doesn't "get" the gravity of the situation, etc, etc)
-Regularly partnering w/ the Wasp, and readily following her lead.
-The complete and honorable turnaround in his opinion of the Hulk.
Like everything else, I think this is all really, really good stuff. It just hasn't really been Thor's "turn" yet, as it were.
HB
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Post by bobc on Jan 20, 2011 17:17:05 GMT -5
What's weird to me is how different these characters appear to me now that I see them "live" and hear them talk. I'm finding Thor kind of boring, personality-wise, the Panther too. I guess the other characters are so lively and funny, particularly Hawkeye, the Hulk and Wasp, that the more noble characters just don't really come off as well to me. That sort of surprised me--since Thor and the Panther are two of my favorite Marvel characters.
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Post by kidcage on Jan 20, 2011 18:14:03 GMT -5
I really need to get on the ball about watching this online, lol. But alas, school has been coming first.
Someday, oh yes... Someday soon!
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Post by bobc on Jan 20, 2011 20:57:34 GMT -5
Kid--you need to set priorities. Quit school immediately and watch every episode of this series.
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 21, 2011 13:41:46 GMT -5
What's weird to me is how different these characters appear to me now that I see them "live" and hear them talk. I'm finding Thor kind of boring, personality-wise, the Panther too. I guess the other characters are so lively and funny, particularly Hawkeye, the Hulk and Wasp, that the more noble characters just don't really come off as well to me. That sort of surprised me--since Thor and the Panther are two of my favorite Marvel characters. I think the medium itself may operate with a slight disadvantage towards these two rather taciturn characters-- particularly so for the Panther. In the comic books themselves, you have tons more text, narration, interaction, thought balloons, etc. to inform you about the character and flesh out what he may be going through at any given moment. And generally the art is much, much more nuanced, so that visual subtleties can play a huge role in the storytelling. A lot of those tools aren't as available in this animated cartoon format, which means we rely on the written dialog, the voice-over work, and the overall storyboarding (I think) to take up the slack. And in some cases (say, with a neutral-masked, tight-lipped monarch, or with a chisel-featured, god-of-not-too-many-words) that may be too tall an order. Especially with a quality like nobility, which is largely charismatic in nature, I think-- if T'challa doesn't speak, and all we can see of him is the neutral black mask, there's not a lot to anchor that kind of personal quality on. Ultimately, the reason Spidey doesn't have the same issue in cartoons is because he's such a non-stop motor-mouth wiseguy (and I bet he's usually cast pretty well). Just my theory, anyhoo--
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Post by bobc on Jan 21, 2011 15:47:29 GMT -5
Hi HB!
I think, when it comes to the Panther, that it's more like he's talking like a standard, old-school noble native--you know, full of cliches about tribal elders and all that. I like the accent, but what he actually says is, when he does speak, is pretty cliched. I like him better when he's quiet and sneaking around.
I liked the scene where Thor congratulates the Hulk on being a brave warrior. Most of Thor's other dialogue just falls a little flat for me. I would also submit that Thor is not coming across to me as being as powerful as the Hulk--not by a long shot.
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 21, 2011 17:13:05 GMT -5
I would also submit that Thor is not coming across to me as being as powerful as the Hulk--not by a long shot. I think he is not meant to be either. In a way, what's the point of having the Hulk around when you have Thor who can do everything the Hulk does plus control storms, lightning and so on? Other than the occasional tantrum he would risk becoming redundant, which is why I suspect he has been depowered a bit - or perhaps he is just holding back. I have never really been a fan of the character in the comic books, what sort of register/dialogue does he have there? is more "normal"? I might not be too negative either. We commented earlier on on Storm's dialogue in the X-Men series from the 90s, and, as that was my first introduction to the character, I was disappointed when I found out she wouldn't "call upon the northern winds" in the comic books. It kind of made her stand apart from the others. Oh yeah, not to mention it's perhaps always been the least logical of his powers. After all in comics he never falls when throwing Mjolnir in mid air, and he has always been capable of changing direction or halting, which doesn't make sense in the old throw/grab explanation.
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 21, 2011 19:10:13 GMT -5
[ Oh yeah, not to mention it's perhaps always been the least logical of his powers. After all in comics he never falls when throwing Mjolnir in mid air, and he has always been capable of changing direction or halting, which doesn't make sense in the old throw/grab explanation. Hey, first a quick "Hiya right back atcha, bobc, ol' pal!" (Didja notice our mutual birthday placed me at the half-century mark? I'll now be expecting consistent tones of reverance and respect from all within eye-shot---- ;D) And then, Shir, I had a tangential Mjolnir question: Has there been some revision or explanation or retconning of how the "flying" aspect of the hammer is really supposed to work? Beyond the completely implausible and much-abused original one? Again, there have been whole decades where I didn't keep up with Thor, so I very well could have missed it. I would submit, though, that it is indeed an enchanted, flying hammer-- but that the whole swinging-&-throwing process is what's required to trigger the enchantment (along with Thor's willful desire for it to happen). Sort of like a really, really advanced Wii controller, maybe? This idea just occurred to me out of thin air, so it may not pass muster. If it sounds good, though, feel free to expand on it. And once again I've taken us wildly off-thread. . . HB
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 21, 2011 21:19:05 GMT -5
HB -- It's difficult to keep up with all the retcons, just now I have read the latest issue of Thor where our Thunderer calls the resurrected Odin "useless horrible old man", and the 5th issue of some sort of retcon of his first months on Earth after the original issue of JiM, where he kills the FF and Spider-Man only to eventually talk Odin into fixing everything again, sooo I'm no longer really certain about what is canon and what isn't. To the best of my knowledge, and of my most recent handbooks', the flying still works the way it was originally conceived: throw the hammer, hold the thong, get carried away. For some reason many authors are happy to change elements that were just fine, but not those that could do with a little tweaking. Only two days to go before the next episode, then we will all be talking about Kang again
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