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Post by Shiryu on Jul 17, 2010 14:13:50 GMT -5
It seems that Thanos Imperative may spawn a new Avengers title, possibly written by Fred Van Lente and featuring the characters in this teaser  At the moment it's all in the realm of possibilities, and as there are already 4 Avengers titles I kind of think 5 would be way too many, but I must admit that the cast would be tempting. Not Avengery at all, but tempting. |
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Post by goldenfist on Jul 17, 2010 16:52:14 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 18, 2010 6:29:53 GMT -5
Really, a great, great splash page. And a breath-taking display of big-time, mega-powered characters (Heh-- two guys w/ big hammers, eh?). And a terrific mix of characters & personalities.
And a HUUUUGE problem.
In the entire galaxy, there isn't a single female hero who operates at this power level (Cosmic or near-cosmic)? Really? Without making any judgment on the caliber of the writing or storytelling or anything else, this still rears its head to me as a serious flaw in the concept. Mind you, I don't know if I can come up w/ an existing Marvel U heroine off the top of my head-- which is a sad testament right there. But I'm of a mind that no team is made stronger by excluding a solid half of the galactic population, y'know? I mean we've got, what-- four races represented ('though I'm a little fuzzy on some of the origins)-? Two or three Kree (I'm shaky on Nova's true background); a Shi'ar (Gladiator); a Zenn-lavian (Surfer); and whatever B-Ray Bill's race is. Hmm-- no humans-- unless Nova actually is still Richard Ryder, a nice boy from Earth.
But all of these guys from far-flung worlds, and no women?
Would Monica Rambeau work with this group? Who's channeling the Phoenix Force these days (geeze, she'd upstage the whole team . . . )? Y'know, I recall Storm wreaking havoc in space in earlier X-Men days (summoning a cosmic storm against the Brood). . . does she still operate on those levels?
This is, of course, an aspect of our male-focused, male-oriented, and largely male-produced pastime that I find the most bothersome. The continuing assumption that it will be men (human or otherwise) who perpetually wield this kind of power.
There's a bit of a Sunday morning editorial, folks!
HB
(later morning modification): Whoops, just did a little clarification, and I see I mistook Quasar for Capt. Marvel. My apologies. So we actually indeed have TWO card-carryin' human bein's on this team ('cause I checked in my recently-acquired Marvel Encyclopedia on Nova, as well). Which still gives us five planets represented, aye?
HB
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Post by sharkar on Jul 18, 2010 16:56:46 GMT -5
It seems that Thanos Imperative may spawn a new Avengers title, possibly written by Fred Van Lente and featuring the characters in this teaser ...At the moment it's all in the realm of possibilities, and as there are already 4 Avengers titles I kind of think 5 would be way too many, but I must admit that the cast would be tempting. Not Avengery at all, but tempting. Right! And btw, check out Goldenfist's "space Avengers" post/link over in the Thanos imperative!!! thread  |
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Post by sharkar on Jul 22, 2010 22:15:20 GMT -5
Really, a great, great splash page. And a breath-taking display of big-time, mega-powered characters (Heh-- two guys w/ big hammers, eh?). And a terrific mix of characters & personalities. And a HUUUUGE problem. In the entire galaxy, there isn't a single female hero who operates at this power level (Cosmic or near-cosmic)? Really? Without making any judgment on the caliber of the writing or storytelling or anything else, this still rears its head to me as a serious flaw in the concept. "A HUUUUGE problem?" You know, HB, I don't see how a comic featuring "two guys w/big hammers" could possibly be improved upon (except by THREE guys w/big hammers--but that would just be...greedy ;D). Anyway, the article (in Goldenfist's link) mentions some distaff candidates such as Crystal; Lorna Dane (Polaris); and Rachel Summers (Marvel Girl, though the Phoenix Force has left her, IIRC). Crystal and Lorna are two of my favorite characters, so I'd love to see them in action here--Rachel I can take or leave. (Hey, maybe one of those tiny figures in the background-- between Gladiator and Nova--is Crystal, agonizing over her hubby's dangerous mission.) And what about Crystal's ertswhile rival, Sersi (whom we've mentioned recently)? Her powers are on a cosmic level. |
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 23, 2010 5:18:49 GMT -5
Really, a great, great splash page. And a breath-taking display of big-time, mega-powered characters (Heh-- two guys w/ big hammers, eh?). And a terrific mix of characters & personalities. And a HUUUUGE problem. In the entire galaxy, there isn't a single female hero who operates at this power level (Cosmic or near-cosmic)? Really? Without making any judgment on the caliber of the writing or storytelling or anything else, this still rears its head to me as a serious flaw in the concept. "A HUUUUGE problem?" You know, HB, I don't see how a comic featuring "two guys w/big hammers" could possibly be improved upon (except by THREE guys w/big hammers--but that would just be...greedy ;D). Anyway, the article (in Goldenfist's link) mentions some distaff candidates such as Crystal; Lorna Dane (Polaris); and Rachel Summers (Marvel Girl, though the Phoenix Force has left her, IIRC). Crystal and Lorna are two of my favorite characters, so I'd love to see them in action here--Rachel I can take or leave. (Hey, maybe one of those tiny figures in the background-- between Gladiator and Nova--is Crystal, agonizing over her hubby's dangerous mission.) And what about Crystal's erstwhile rival, Sersi (whom we've mentioned recently)? Her powers are on a cosmic level. Yep, Sersi'd work from a power perspective-- just, yeesh, she's so uncompelling a character. The late Frankie Raye/Nova II would work, also. Is she resurrect-able? Now Crystal-- in this group I feel like she'd fall smack into the cliched "weaker girlish power" role. Similarly, is Polaris on a level with this bunch? I'm embarrassed to say that the last time I was current w/ her (several years ago), she had lost the magnetic powers and had been transmuted to super-strength. You know who'd be great, just because she wouldn't be intimidated, regardless of being somewhat out of her league? She-Hulk (Jen Walters, that is). There isn't a cosmic threat so big that she wouldn't try to punch it, nor any ego so lofty that she couldn't ground it with a well-phrased barb. Heh. She'd be terrific here. HB |
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Post by spiderwasp on Jul 23, 2010 12:34:51 GMT -5
The late Frankie Raye/Nova II would work, also. Is she resurrect-able? Done. The recent LS "Heralds" did resurrect her so she is available. For anyone who hasn't read the book, it's not bad. It's not everything I would like it to be (It's by the creators of the Hell-cat LS and Divas) and the artwork, as with those other books, is some of the worst I've ever seen in a comic book but still an okay read. It features Photon, Hell-cat, Invisible Woman, White Queen, and Valkyrie with guest appearances from the rest of the FF. For anyone who is tired of female characters always been drawn like they should be in Hustler cartoons, this book could be the answer to your prayers. On the other hand, you may be like me and say "Yes, but can't they still be attractive. Does it have to be one extreme or the other?" |
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Post by scottharris on Jul 23, 2010 16:28:45 GMT -5
This sounds like a job for Sif, veteran traveler of the spaceways.
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 24, 2010 11:03:04 GMT -5
This sounds like a job for Sif, veteran traveler of the spaceways. Sif did cross my mind as well, actually, but I felt like the "Asgardian" delegation is sort of represented by Beta Ray Bill already-- although that might be stretching the connection a bit. And she still doesn't have that Holy Cow Power Level factor going for her, does she? Hey, but what about the young distraught Asgardian goddess-- Kelda? (Kendra? Kiera?-- man, age is ravaging my name-retention abilities--) -- who just lost her mortal lover? I missed the beginning of her whole arc, but my impression is that she's considerably more powerful than the average Asgardian. She seems to command their respect, but maintains a bit of seperation from their general population. Boy, if there were ever a character who needed to make a break with her roots. . . Hey, and thanks for the Frankie Raye update, SW. See, I would now totally stump for her inclusion in this group. (Oh cripes, except now we already have the "Former Herald of Galactus" delegation accounted for w/ the Surfer. Ahhhh, but what a dynamic as these two former lovers re-unite, eh?) She has exactly the power-level appropriate for this bunch. And, am I mistaken, or is Ronan probably the (relatively) weakest of this group? I know, I know-- one doesn't want to devolve into a Superman vs Mighty Mouse type of discussion. . . but where do these guys fall in relation to each other on the aforementioned Holy Cow scale? HB |
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Post by sharkar on Aug 3, 2010 21:25:42 GMT -5
...Frankie Raye/Nova II would work, also. Agreed, she'd be great. And the Heralds series Spiderwasp mentions sounds interesting, despite the art (I saw some preview art online and he's right--the art sucks!). Now Crystal-- in this group I feel like she'd fall smack into the cliched "weaker girlish power" role. Similarly, is Polaris on a level with this bunch? Crystal and Polaris are both very powerful, though with the kinds of powers that --unfortunately-- lend themselves to (as many have noted, here and elsewhere) the "deus ex machina" a.k.a. powers of convenience syndrome. I mean, Crystal recently animated a giant stone statue of Black Bolt (in War of Kings)... she can do almost anything now. Maybe not on a cosmic level, but she can acquit herself well in outer space--remember the solar flare she created circa Avengers #359 or so? She's usually depicted as the second most powerful of the Inhuman Royal Family, after Black Bolt (I'm not including Maximus and his mental powers). I'm embarrassed to say that the last time I was current w/ her (Polaris) (several years ago), she had lost the magnetic powers and had been transmuted to super-strength. Oh, you've probably seen Lorna since then, HB; she had reverted back to her normal size and had regained her magnetism powers just before that run of X-Factor that you recently admitted a fondness for, when it
"shifted over to Val Cooper's bunch." What you may not be aware of is that a few years ago she was revealed to be Magneto's daughter; so, she is Pietro and Wanda's half-sister. Also, in the last few years she became depowered for a short time (due to Wanda uttering "No more mutants" at the end of House of M). Then she was somehow given ridiculously amped-up magnetic powers and now she's supposed to be more powerful than ever (even the mighty Vulcan feared her)--almost on a Magneto-level. Because she's so powerful now it seems she's often kept out of the action by writers (imprisoned, drugged up, etc.) because her powers would just make any battle anticlimactic. Still, I concede that as characters, Crystal and Lorna are B-list (or even C-list, in Lorna's case). But while Crystal continues to to be featured in various comics here and there, Lorna's in limbo. She's nowhere to be found in the X comics, or in the cosmic comics (Alex Summers is similarly MIA; as far as I know, they were both last seen in a few issues of the War of Kings series). So I'd like to see her (and not an alternate version) pop up in some comic, any comic, along with Alex (he'd fit in with "space Avengers", I think). You'd also think Lorna would be somehow involved with Pietro at this point, or the search for Wanda; after all, over the years Pietro and Lorna were shown to be somewhat friendly during their stint on X-Factor and in the Magneto mini series Dark Seduction. But now that they're related, it's like Lorna doesn't exist. I guess she'll always be a C-Lister.  |
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Post by bobc on Aug 5, 2010 15:45:03 GMT -5
I gotta say I agree with Sharky that although this group looks promising, there are too many Avengers titles. It seems to me there are more than 5 Avengers titles floating around out there--and it is too much of a good thing. Everything's starting to blend together. I realize the logic in terms of the Avengers being a recognizable brand, and that the name sells, but the Avengers are going the way of Wolverine.
Why not name this new group something else. In terms of raw power, they remind me of the original Defenders, mixed with Guardians of the galaxy.
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