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Post by woodside on May 12, 2010 16:21:18 GMT -5
Soooo . . . Osborne's and the Dark Avengers have been arrested, Captain America is running SHIELD, the Super-Hero Registration Act has been thrown out, Sentry's dead, and everyone is one big happy family again.
Anyone coming back?
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Post by woodside on May 12, 2010 17:37:10 GMT -5
Allow me to amend this by asking: is anyone going to picking any of the new "Heroic Age" titles?
I saw some interest in "Secret Avengers" in another thread. Whose picking that up?
How about the "Avengers Initiative" reboot "Avengers Academy?"
Anyone willing to give the sausage-fest roster of "Avengers" and "New Avengers" a shot?
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Post by sufirjp on May 12, 2010 17:37:20 GMT -5
I never left! While I've found I don't particularly appreciate Bendis' approach to team books, there's plenty of authors at Marvel that I do love: Fred Van Lente, Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning, etc. I'll probably pick up Secret Avengers, as I've liked some of the things that Brubaker has done with Cap, and the lineup is something I'm excited about. Otherwise, I'll probably stay away from Bendis books, unless he decides to handle "street" books again, as I loved Alias and his take on Daredevil. EDIT: I hope this didn't come off as the "obligatory I hate Bendis" response that you mentioned in a previous post. Rather, I meant to say that I get my Avengers fix by looking at other Avengers-related books, like Iron Man: Legacy, Prince of Power, and Hawkeye & Mockingbird. EDIT2: Also, I'm likely to pick up Children's Crusade and, despite Avengers: Initiative being an uneven series, I'll probably give Avengers Academy a shot.
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Post by humanbelly on May 12, 2010 19:38:50 GMT -5
Allow me to amend this by asking: is anyone going to picking any of the new "Heroic Age" titles? I saw some interest in "Secret Avengers" in another thread. Whose picking that up? How about the "Avengers Initiative" reboot "Avengers Academy?" Anyone willing to give the sausage-fest roster of "Avengers" and "New Avengers" a shot? Actually, Marvel Subscriptions is automatically shifting us Mighty Avengers folks right over to Secret Avengers, so that's an easy "affirmative". And I imagine New Avengers will jump to. . . well, Avengers or New Avengers, as well. But I'm afraid that, until some subscription opportunities pop up (which they haven't yet in what I'm receiving from Marvel), the cover price is now a completely prohibitive consideration, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, we've had the biggest Hulk explosion since World War Hulk, and I have purchased not an issue of it! (And me, the biggest Hulk fan thooming around the board!) A $3 off-the-rack comic is real money, by my middle-aged standards. $4 a pop just blatanly crosses the line, where I feel like it becomes an irresponsible self-indulgence (with a mortgage, two kids to put through college, etc). Hence, my quickly-fading loyalty to this lifelong, beloved hobby, pursuit, diversion---- But, yes-- I'm givin' 'em a try where I can. . . HB
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Post by dlw66 on May 12, 2010 21:31:39 GMT -5
Nope. Books are still too expensive. I'll stick to spending $12 (on Amazon) for Essentials and get 600 pages rather than $4 for 20 pages. But it does look like things are heading in a better direction. Yet I remain skeptical as one "big event" replaces another. Sorry...
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Post by spiderwasp on May 12, 2010 23:47:25 GMT -5
I've actually been relatively happy with Mighty Avengers so I'll pick up Secret Avengers in hopes that it continues in that positive light. Avengers Academy so far has 0 appeal for me and I'm afraid the standard "I hate Bendis" is the only real response I can give regarding his title. I do feel optimistic about the changes brewing but cautiously so.
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Post by woodside on May 13, 2010 0:09:00 GMT -5
I never left! While I've found I don't particularly appreciate Bendis' approach to team books, there's plenty of authors at Marvel that I do love: Fred Van Lente, Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning, etc. I'll probably pick up Secret Avengers, as I've liked some of the things that Brubaker has done with Cap, and the lineup is something I'm excited about. Otherwise, I'll probably stay away from Bendis books, unless he decides to handle "street" books again, as I loved Alias and his take on Daredevil. My hope is that "New Avengers" is more like how you describe. "Secret Avengers" seems to be a big contender for a lot of peope, so I'm happy to see that. Nay, my friend. My hope with this thread is to talk about if anyone is interested in returning to any of the Avengers-related books. And that this thread remains pretty positive. I'm happy people are willing to at least try and return to the mainstream MU. Initiative never really did anything for me, but I too am very much looking forward to "Children's Crusade." But it does look like things are heading in a better direction. I'll take what I can get, Doug! That being said, in terms of the Essentials, as much as a bargain as they are . . . the black and white are a huge turn-off for me. But they were what got my nephew into comics. I've actually been relatively happy with Mighty Avengers so I'll pick up Secret Avengers in hopes that it continues in that positive light. Avengers Academy so far has 0 appeal for me and I'm afraid the standard "I hate Bendis" is the only real response I can give regarding his title. I do feel optimistic about the changes brewing but cautiously so. Another one for "Secret Avengers!" Yay! Personally, since my own montly comic budget is shrinking, I'm considering dropping down to "Avengers" and "Secret Avengers" only. Even then, I'm still just thinking "Secret Avengers."
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Post by kidcage on May 13, 2010 13:24:44 GMT -5
I was looking forward to coming on this board this morning after reading all the stuff that came out yesterday.
In terms of the new Avengers titles, I'll be getting all of them, but I'll rank them in my interest, lol.
Hawkeye & Mockingbird: Sure, it doesn't have Avengers in the title, but heck if I'm going to let this slip through.
Secret Avengers: Just because of the team being put together, this has A LOT of potential.
Avengers: While not with Steve, a Cap/Iron Man/Thor/Hawkeye team does interest me.
New Avengers: Carol's on the team with Cage, Mockingbird, and Thing. I'll give this a shot.
Avengers Academy: I did enjoy the first part of the Initiative, but things kind of tapered off toward the middle, but I thought the series ended strong. I like Tigra and Pym, the resurgence of Justice and Speedball could be fun too.
Childrens Crusade and Prime: Because these are limited, I put them at the end. I'm really interested in CC though. Prime looks interesting due to the preview I've seen where Steve basically tells Tony "I don't think you should have your Armor because Norman got it so easily" and the Avengers lineup goes "Uh oh..."
The Heroic Age, for the most part, makes me optimistic. While in no uncertain terms have I been a Bendis fan, I'm looking forward to a lot of what is to offer here. Secret Avengers looks like it could be a fun book, New Avengers being more "street level" could have a lot of possibilities.
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Post by starfoxxx on May 14, 2010 11:14:42 GMT -5
I was already buying Avengers:Initiative and Mighty.
I'm picking up Secret Avengers, and maybe Academy....if Tigra and old members are featured prominently.
Also, maybe the Busiek book.
No Bendis books.
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Post by sufirjp on May 14, 2010 18:29:12 GMT -5
I was already buying Avengers:Initiative and Mighty. I'm picking up Secret Avengers, and maybe Academy....if Tigra and old members are featured prominently. Also, maybe the Busiek book. No Bendis books. Busiek book?
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Post by starfoxxx on May 14, 2010 19:07:52 GMT -5
Yes, Busiek is writing "Age of Heroes", a 4 issue series, but i believe it's an anthology.
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Post by bobc on May 15, 2010 21:25:13 GMT -5
I went to the comic store Wednesday and purchased twelve books--and felt furious once I'd read them all. Several were, generously speaking, really mediocre--the rest were absolutely TERRIBLE. The only one that actually impressed me was the second issue of Black Widow.
I think reading Loeb's Ultimates was the last straw. Good GOD--this series is as bad, or worse, than anything Bendis has ever done. To think this book is called Ultimates after Millar's phenomenal Ultimates run is frankly, an abomination. There is, what looks like, an overly explicit sex scene in it, which only increases my sense that Loeb has some sort of creepy sexual thing going on. I mean this is a comic, right? I could be explicit here, but I won't, but what one illustration shows is an obvious sex act on Thor's part. Look. I am no frothing Right Winger--and sex is nothing to be ashamed about, but good lord. Check it out--this is a comic book. I think you'll see what I'm talking about. Whereas Millar may have handled such a scene with innuendo or, God forbid, CLASS, Loeb once again lobs a low ball.
My other huge complaint is the fact that there seem to be 10 million grade Z super heroes running around Marvel these days. This is exactly what turned me off about the X-Men back in the late 80's. Suddenly every person currently living in those days was a mutant. BORING. Now Marvel is running ads featuring characters like the Thing, stating "I Am an Avenger." Come on now. Do we NOT have enough Avenger characters languishing in obscurity? Do we really need more? Even when a fan favorite is in book, say, like Tigra, she only appears for a page or two per book and there is ZERO characterization. AND she tends to just be raking somebody with her claws, like Wolverine.
Don't even get me started about how there are now ten thousand Hulks, She-Hulks, baby Hulks, Thundra/Hulks, blah blah blah. How can you possibly care about a character amidst this chaos?
I'm done. I will still buy Doom War, CA, BP and Guardians of the Galaxy. I will not pay Marvel another dime for this crap. Have you all seen Hudlin's new Black Panther/Captain America book? The art is so amateurish, the story so dull and bad (along with gratuitous bloody violence that only calls attention to the fact that there is no story), that even though my two favorite Marvel heroes are featured, I will not buy any more of this series.
Bring the Marvel revolution. It's time.
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Post by woodside on May 15, 2010 22:47:08 GMT -5
How is DoomWar, bobc?
I don't mind Z-listers coming up the ranks. I think Fabian Nicieza once "There's no such thing as a bad character, just a character written poorly." (sic) However, I do am confused at Thing's joining of the New Avengers. If Bendis is going for the more street-level Avengers team, then I guess I can see it . . . but just barely. And I certainly wouldn't say Thing is a Z-Lister.
I haven't paid attention to Hulk since WWH.
I think I've said it before: Loeb is trying to be the American Millar -- and he's failing. His best works were those that contained subtly and fun. He hasn't written anything in years that's been any good.
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Post by redstatecap on May 16, 2010 1:08:15 GMT -5
Soooo . . . Osborne's and the Dark Avengers have been arrested, Captain America is running SHIELD, the Super-Hero Registration Act has been thrown out, Sentry's dead, and everyone is one big happy family again. Anyone coming back? 1) Has the resurrection of Bucky as Captain America been retconned out of existence? 2) Is Bendis off the book? Unless the answer to both of those questions is yes, then I won't be coming back. RSC
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Post by goldenfist on May 16, 2010 11:30:22 GMT -5
Christos Cage will be writing Avengers Academy
Bendis will be writing New Avengers and Avengers
ED Brubaker will be writing Secret Avengers
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Post by sufirjp on May 16, 2010 18:43:38 GMT -5
Yes, Busiek is writing "Age of Heroes", a 4 issue series, but i believe it's an anthology. From what I understood it's an anthology, written by a variety of writers. I can't help but think Marvel's got larger plans for Busiek, but they seem to be keeping his future with the company under wraps, much like they've been doing with Dan Slott (who is also contributing to the Age of Heroes mini).
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Post by bobc on May 17, 2010 14:19:15 GMT -5
Woody--I think Doomwar is one of the best books out there. It isn't earth-shattering or anything, but it is very good IMO.
I happen to love underdog characters--my favorite characters over the years have usually been low-powered, somewhat unknown (by the public at large anyway) super-heroes like Quicksilver, Nightcrawler, Black Widow, etc. They tend to work great in team situations, especially when they save the day. My problem is the fact that there are suddenly sooooo many of them. I just bought some Siege-related book where some obscure team led by Rage (it is sad that such a grade Z character is about the only one I recognize) suddenly appears and fights some other team, and I couldn't even tell who was on what team! It's hard to get interested in who wins...
All I can say is look at how Busiek introduced new Avengers back in some of the Avengers' best periods. He'd introduce one, maybe two at a time, but always kept a good balance by keeping older, recognizable characters like CA or the Vision in the majority. That worked.
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Post by starfoxxx on May 17, 2010 16:49:24 GMT -5
Yes, Busiek is writing "Age of Heroes", a 4 issue series, but i believe it's an anthology. From what I understood it's an anthology, written by a variety of writers. I can't help but think Marvel's got larger plans for Busiek, but they seem to be keeping his future with the company under wraps, much like they've been doing with Dan Slott (who is also contributing to the Age of Heroes mini). Yes, my mistake, sorry to send out false information. Those darn solicits are tricky. (Busiek's momentous return to Marvel!!!--yeah whatever....). Age of Heroes is an anthology, and Busiek will be writing one story in the first issue, that's all i know. Anyway, 6-7 pages of Busiek ain't worth $4 for me, so i wont be picking this up until it hits the $1 boxes.
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Post by starfoxxx on May 17, 2010 16:51:40 GMT -5
Woody--I think Doomwar is one of the best books out there. It isn't earth-shattering or anything, but it is very good IMO. I happen to love underdog characters--my favorite characters over the years have usually been low-powered, somewhat unknown (by the public at large anyway) super-heroes like Quicksilver, Nightcrawler, Black Widow, etc. They tend to work great in team situations, especially when they save the day. My problem is the fact that there are suddenly sooooo many of them. I just bought some Siege-related book where some obscure team led by Rage (it is sad that such a grade Z character is about the only one I recognize) suddenly appears and fights some other team, and I couldn't even tell who was on what team! It's hard to get interested in who wins... All I can say is look at how Busiek introduced new Avengers back in some of the Avengers' best periods. He'd introduce one, maybe two at a time, but always kept a good balance by keeping older, recognizable characters like CA or the Vision in the majority. That worked. Yeah! where the heck is Stingray?
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Post by bobc on May 19, 2010 14:25:31 GMT -5
He is lost somewhere in the woods with Doctor Druid.
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Post by Bounty Hunter on Jul 3, 2010 20:09:41 GMT -5
I'm currently picking up all the Avengers titles, and so far, I'm liking them all.
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 4, 2010 8:57:41 GMT -5
I'm currently picking up all the Avengers titles, and so far, I'm liking them all. Thank you, Bounty Hunter-- a straight-forward thumbs-up can certainly help clear the air! Welcome to these boards--- we seem to have been in a bit of a lull the past few days, so ahead and toss your voice in a bit, if you're so inclined. Favorite Avengers/Worst Avengers/Dream Team--- all good threads to getcher feet wet on. HB
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 4, 2010 9:09:05 GMT -5
How is DoomWar, bobc? I don't mind Z-listers coming up the ranks. I think Fabian Nicieza once "There's no such thing as a bad character, just a character written poorly." (sic) . This is a very apt quote on Nicieza's part, I think. I immediately thought of how, about 10 or 12 years ago, Trapster/Paste Pot Pete was suddenly made interesting in the pages of Fantastic Four after decades of being little more than a running joke. It was part of a very engaging Annihilus epic co-written, I believe, by. . . .Jeph Loeb! HB
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