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Post by bobc on Feb 10, 2010 17:44:02 GMT -5
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Doctor Bong
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 10, 2010 18:13:35 GMT -5
Well, perhaps I'm being guilty of stereotyping here, but I do believe that the majority of writers and artists tend to be what people to the right call "liberals". |
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Post by bobc on Feb 11, 2010 10:49:59 GMT -5
Oh they are. I work with them. Two years ago I worked with a guy who decorated his cubicle with Communist China posters from years gone by. It was very trendy. This same guy always complained that he wasn't making enough money--he didn't see the contradiction.
I have to say--I really don't want politics shoved down my throat when I buy a comic book. Unless of course you do it subtlety with balance, as Mark Millar did do beautifully in The Ultimates. Allan Moore is also able to bring politics into things without coming off as a know-it-all, if -you- don't-agree-with-me-you're-stupid type
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 11, 2010 15:05:50 GMT -5
Hoo-boy--- this is probably really dangerous ground for us to be treading in this unusually civil forum!
Granted, my experience with my fellow artists is that they do skew largely Liberal-- BUT, they have also been- almost w/out exception- not particularly politically-minded or informed people at all. Or if they were, it was more for the "artistic effect" (think John Lennon during his "activist" phase)-- and a genuine desire to feel that they were making a difference. Ultimately, more about "look at me" than true political commitment.
Where I work now (Theater J, in Washington, DC) is definitely an exception, with committed, talented idealists often working very hard to create art that is relevant, challenging, and controversial. BUT STILL-- there's an undeniable sense of underlying ego involved; that "this play is going to change how people view the struggle of such & such".
Heh-- your former co-worker there, bobc, doesn't strike me as particularly liberal, or informed, or anything w/ his Communist China posters-- he just sounds like a contrarian doofus! I. . . don't think I've ever met a liberal Democrat who has said, "Y'know, that Communist China--they've really got a good thing goin' on!" Just as I've never met a conservative Republican who has said, "Y'know, things'd work so much better if we just disbanded the entire federal gov't, and had each state become a sovreign nation!" Again, I've known LOTS of artistic folks who like to identify w/ the extreme in order to stand out from the rest of us rabble.
As for the Washington Times piece? Well, geeze, the poor ol' Times is an extremely conservative paper that is in dire, dire straits (they cut their sports section a few weeks ago). My somewhat uninformed opinion is that they may be tending a bit towards unimportant sensationalism like this in order to please their base supporters. I mean, I HATE to be the one to say that this tea-bagging controversy is a tempest in a teapot (Ha! But I said it! HAHAHAHA!)-- but I think it is. In-depth aspects of Civil War were far, far, FAR more politically offensive than any protester's placard could be (although more from a liberal perspective), and yet there seems to be no hue & cry in the media about that. Enh.
I will say that I found a few of the commentors to be rather disturbing though. . .
HB
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Post by bobc on Feb 11, 2010 16:24:44 GMT -5
I actually brought this news story up to see if you guys believed Brubakker didn't know that sign was in that crowd scene, and if you bought his story that someone put it in before the issue went to print.
HB--I hear what you're saying--however:I have several co-workers who have told me, to my face, that Communism is the way America should go and that the system is looked down upon due to our propaganda, which is "all bull chit." I also have friends who work for the Democratic party here in Austin, and they describe themselves as "Socialists." They think it's cool and trendy. And I agree they know little or nothing outside the realm of politics. I am a political atheist and don't have a dog in this fight, but I will say I have found, on average, that people who lean right are more honest, even when they are mean--and I like that better because you know what you're dealing with.
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Post by scottharris on Feb 12, 2010 17:00:05 GMT -5
I do buy the story that the Tea Party signs weren't put in by Brubaker on purpose, but I think Quesada is really splitting hairs here, because it's obvious that even without the signs this is meant to be the Tea Party. The mistake was in making it implicit instead of implied; Quesada is apologizing for this "mistake" but there's no doubt Brubaker intended this to be a tea Party parallel.
Which is fine. I think Captain America needs to be grounded in current events and political issues in order to thrive and I don't particularly think this is offensive to people in the Tea Party, as it's clear from the story that the protest is not part of the Watchdog movement. I just wish Marvel would own it instead of apologizing.
Anyway, I wrote a longer thing about it on my blog if anybody cares.
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 15, 2010 11:08:18 GMT -5
I actually brought this news story up to see if you guys believed Brubakker didn't know that sign was in that crowd scene, and if you bought his story that someone put it in before the issue went to print. HB--I hear what you're saying--however:I have several co-workers who have told me, to my face, that Communism is the way America should go and that the system is looked down upon due to our propaganda, which is "all bull chit." I also have friends who work for the Democratic party here in Austin, and they describe themselves as "Socialists." They think it's cool and trendy. And I agree they know little or nothing outside the realm of politics. I am a political atheist and don't have a dog in this fight, but I will say I have found, on average, that people who lean right are more honest, even when they are mean--and I like that better because you know what you're dealing with. Heh, you're more comfortable with "the devil you know", eh? (Or at least the one that's not too deceptive. . . ). But, wow, I don't think your Communist/Socialist co-workers are doing the Democratic Party any favors by working for them. Maybe it's an overcompensation for trying to survive in a Republican stronghold? Yeesh, I would take two careful steps away from those folks the moment they started supporting anything I was doing. . . HB |
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Post by bobc on Feb 15, 2010 11:42:45 GMT -5
HB--it's all just trendiness. They think it's cool. Not sure what you mean by a Republican stronghold though--Texas is very different than other parts of the country, it is heavily Democratic. Even the meanest conservatives are often Democrats. It was not that way in NY or California, or any place else I can think of where I've lived. Texas is a strange place. I love it, but it is very uhhhhhh unusual. Austin, by the way, is known as the San Francisco of Texas and it is extremely liberal by Texas standards. for every McCain Palin bumper sticker I see, I easily see 40-50 Obama stickers.
Anyhow--I agree with you Scott. I wouldn't have cared if that crowd scene was a jab at the Tea Party people--comics are art and should never be limited by politics
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