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Post by freedomfighter on Oct 29, 2009 21:28:05 GMT -5
I've been checking the various boards for info about the Cap movie and one thing that seems to surface often is people say "this actor should play Cap during WW2 and this one should play him now..." uh why, exactly? By the accounts I've found, Steve was all of 23-24 years old when he was approached to become Cap in 1940. He fights until 1945 and then gets dumped in the drink. That leaves him at what 28-29 when he disappears? And according to current Marvel tradition he's only been defrosted for five to nine years tops (silly I know, as that would mean he either just barely observed the 9/11 attacks or missed them completely), making him conservatively mid thirties, biologically. And given the benefits of the super soldier serum he would probably look like he was twenty five at best. I don't think he should be played some young pretty boy, but some people are talking about actors in their mid forties who'll be nearing fifty should be sequels on the horizon. Don't think they've got a good handle on the character...
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Post by Shiryu on Oct 30, 2009 11:38:06 GMT -5
I'm a bit doubtfoul about the 5-9 years. That would make Peter Parker 22-26, and I seem to remember it's been established he is around 30-34, which means that even in Marvel time some 13-18 years have passed (I think he was 16-17 in Amazing Fantasy).
So Cap, who was a bit older when defrosted, should be close to 40, although the soldier serum makes him look younger.
But I agree with the overall point, they don't need two actors. In flashbacks, Cap doesn't look very different then from now.
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Post by thunderstrike78 on Oct 30, 2009 12:40:29 GMT -5
I think it's more a result of the different generation. Immersed in today's society, Cap is going to appear hopelessly out of touch. He'll still cling to the styles and tastes of the 1930s and 40s. Subconsciously, I think, people have a touch time imagining a 24 year old "kid" lamenting the passing of swing music and being astounded at special effects. Most people would probably have an easier time relating to that kind of reaction from a 40 year old.
I quite agree, though, that Cap should NOT be cast as a 40 year old for either movie. It should be the same actor in both movies, and probably an unknown. What's going to be tough is that the same actor needs to be able to portray the wide-eyed innocence and naivete of the 1941 Steve Rogers in the first movie, and also the seasoned, natural leader of the Avengers movie. Not an easy role to play.
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Post by medinnus on Oct 30, 2009 12:52:24 GMT -5
I always worked under the assumption that Cap was 20 when he underwent the process in Operation: Rebirth, was 25 when he was put "on ice".
Marvel convention is that the FF got their powers 10 years ago, although I thought that was expanded to 15 years, which would make Rogers about 35-40 in the present day.
However, one should also mention that the SSF keeps Rogers at "peak human condition", which would presumably retard the aging process, to keep him appearing in his 20's no matter how physically old he may be... so going with 40, he probably appears in his mid-late 20's.
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Post by Shiryu on Oct 30, 2009 13:13:24 GMT -5
I think part of the misunderstanding also stems from the fact that Cap often refers to himself as an "old horse", or is referred to by other Avengers as an "old man" (by Hawkeye in the early days, but also by Nightwing during Civil War for example). While this is probably just because he was born way back, it does come across more as a statement about his current age, especially when he says so himself whilst training.
Interestingly, in the Spider-Girl MC2 world, set some 18 years after the events of the Clone Saga, Cap is at least in his late 50s, which fits the 40s age range (I suppose that, since most of the others are in their 20s or low 30s, this would make him "old")
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Post by humanbelly on Oct 30, 2009 14:56:03 GMT -5
Oh, I just love layin' the blame on ol' Smilin' Stan for these things-- it's probably wildly inappropriate & disrespectful, I know.
But even he kept making this mistake, and started making it right off the bat. Cap thaws out in Avengers #4-- somewhat disoriented, but under the impression that he's still involved in the same fight that was going on when he & Bucky tried to stop that drone plane. NO TIME HAS PASSED FOR HIM. However, early on Stan goes to a lot of effort to play up the "Man Lost Outside of His Own Time" angle, as well as the "Unbearable Grief for Bucky" angle; AS WELL AS the "I've been fighting bad guys since before your Mother had braces" angle. Unfortunately, there's a lot of mutual exclusivity, there. There are at least a couple of instances in those early issues where Cap laments how Bucky's death has haunted him all of these long years, etc. Really? While he was frozen alive in a block of ice?? Biologically, if Cap was 25 or 26 years old at that point, then it's also quite possible that Hawkeye could actually have been his senior. The whole "washed up old has-been" attitude never, never made sense to me. Again, as I've always loudly speculated, I believe Stan was juggling too much of the creative & editorial load at that point, and wasn't thinking through his plot & continuity issues at all. Just the way it goes when a staff is small but plucky. . .
Hey, then this also means that, while Cap's formative WWII exploits spanned about five years, he's easily been a "modern" superhero (even in Marvel Time) for at least twice that long. He's been an adult in the Now more than he has in the Then.
HB
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Post by medinnus on Nov 1, 2009 19:20:26 GMT -5
Ah hah!
In CA #601, Bucky recounts that an 18 year old Steve Rogers underwent Operation: Rebirth., which makes his DOB in 1922; however, CA: Sentinel of Liberty cites his birthday as July 4, 1917.
Assuming that Brubaker's date is the most recent "canon", that would make him 23 years old wen frozen, and if Fabien's date is honored, that makes him 28.
And so, if the Marvel timeslip is 10 years, he's either 33 or 38, and if the timeslip is 15 years, 38 or 42.
Just, y'know, for the record )
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