Post by betaraybill on May 30, 2009 11:58:13 GMT -5
I swear! I think Jessica Jones is patterened after my ex. An overly dramatic, quick-to-whine self-absorbed soap opera princess! (whoa... therapy)
I haven't read NA for a few months. I picked up #52 because, like an awful relationship, you hope that maybe things aren't as bad as you thought and you keep returning to it. (don't charge me for this session)
Her interaction with Pete (after he revealed his identity) made me barrel right past despise and loathe to unmitigated hatred (so take that KIRA!!)(not really)
I don't like Jesica Jones. Will somebody please remove her from the Marvel Universe? (Luke and the baby can stay)
*note: for legal purposes I neither hate, loathe nor despise any of my ex-girlfriends.
Post by humanbelly on May 30, 2009 17:28:22 GMT -5
Oh, this is the perfect opportunity, 'cause once again I have no idea how something came about.
Now, Bill, while I'm not nearly as averse to Ms. Jones' personality as you are, I will finally come clean and say that I have NO CLUE where she came from!
I never bought CAGE-- is that where she originated? When the heck was she a costumed superhero? What was her codename? They're showing early photos of her hanging w/ the Avengers-- when did that happen? I think PULSE was the first time I laid eyes on her, and it seemed like she'd already been well-established. Good grief, is she like the Sentry?
I must say that I do kind of like her, though. Her abrasiveness, her rather explosive temper, her stubbornness-- the fact that she's often not particularly likable makes her a more "real" character for me than many of Bendis' other attempts. Even the fact that she's terribly inconsistent in her actions and in what she says comes across clearly as the result of being a desperate and conflicted character--- as opposed to the way other- more established- characters are handled, where it just comes across as. . . . inconsistent writing.
Also, she was right and Luke was wrong about their priorities. They had a baby. That baby's safety and well-being becomes priority #1. Fighting the good fight, even for principle and the greater good, has to be set aside.
BIG OBVIOUS INCONSISTENT DETAIL: It doesn't make sense that Jess suddenly knew Pete when he re-revealed his identity this time, yet apparently DIDN'T know him when it had been revealed the first time, does it?? THAT kind of background wasn't changed by BND, was it?
Last Edit: May 30, 2009 17:35:23 GMT -5 by humanbelly
I read New Avengers 55 today. I was at work, on my lunch break, in a chair, at Borders Books, amid people... and I nearly argued with a stapled clump of artistically colored paper. Jessica Jones is -- GAH!!! HELP ME! Somebody, please....
If you haven't read it... well, the hell with spoiler alerts, listen... SPIDERMAN comes into the kitchen where Jessica Jones is sitting with baby Cage. She says "Hi Peter", and Pete freaks out alittle and ASKS HER not to refer to him by his real name IN CASE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW HIS IDENTITY OVERHEARS... It doesn't matter if it's a janitor, bad-guy, superpowered colleague, paparazzi, IRS agent -- who cares. He's worried that someone might OVERHEAR her say "Peter" and that person, or those people put two-and-two together (a thing in itself I'm not convinced Jewel could DO).
That was his point.
Jessica Jones, melodramatically, REFUSES to stop calling him by his real name, "reassuring" him that she would NEVER betray his secret. He can trust her totally never to tell a soul...
That's not what he-- He didn't SAY-- She just-- HOW-- G--
And there's me, sitting in public, eyes closed, breathing in through the nose out through the mouth repeating internally "don'targuewiththecomicbookaaron don'targuewiththecomicbookaaron don'targuewiththecomicbookaaron don'targuewiththecomicbookaaron", and "she's not real. she can't HURT you".
::openly weeping now within the anonymity of the interwebs:: please make her go away comic book gods... or spirits... or executives... whomever.
Somebody shelve that broad. I would rather see Turner D. CENTURY at this point (Scourge, where are you when I need you??)
This is truly, TRULY in no way a defense-- believe me, it's not. 'Cause I was having an identical reaction to the flow of the dialogue in that scene. But, I don't think it's bad writing because Bendis isn't paying attention. I think he might be doing this on purpose-- as some sort of deep commentary on the futility and elusiveness of true communication between two people. Really-- I think that's what it is. And THAT makes it bad writing because it's self-indulgent, overly-clever, self-satisfied baloney. Making any scene LESS clear is rarely a strong choice-- no matter how strong one's "commitment" to verisimilitude is. It's absolutely that tooth-grating David Mamet fixation Bendis has, and his refusal to recognize that it DOES NOT WORK IN A WRITTEN MEDIUM! EVEN ONE WITH PICTURES TO HELP!
I do have to say that I don't actually hate Jess Jones. I hate the fact that she's an artificial, retro-fitted character. And I do think she has a huge wagon-load of personal issues (and her being a mom kinda scares me to death). But, boy, I do find her interesting. I think if I was working with her, I'd enjoy her company, but I would personally keep her at arm's length.