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Post by goldenfist on Dec 12, 2008 15:41:21 GMT -5
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Post by Tana Nile on Dec 12, 2008 18:07:45 GMT -5
I'll admit, it's a nice little scene between Jan and Hank, and I hate to sound like I'm nitpicking...but Cap woke up on the Avengers' sub on the way back to New York. He got into the action right away. Yet Jan and Hank appear to be in a hospital room with him, not on the sub. I don't know when this scene could possibly have occured.
I think what bothers me here is the feeling (once again) that Bendis either doesn't do his homework or simply has a disregard for past stories.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Dec 13, 2008 0:50:08 GMT -5
A few things:
1. That is one cool cover, definitely one of the best I've seen in a long while.
2. OK... watch out everyone, because I am about to go stereotypical nerd here... but Tana is right, that situation makes no sense. For one, like she says, Cap woke up in the ship, not in a hospital. Two... Hank and Jan hadn't even admitted they loved each other at that point! In fact, they don't even bother full on with the lovey dovey they're well known for until Tales to Astonish 65, another one and a half years after this scene would've taken place. At that point in the series that this takes palce (TTA 52/53), Hank didn't WANT to admit that he had fallen in love, and Jan would always go after him. That was the whole joke of the first half of the series!
I mean, was that really that hard to research? Honestly? Is it that hard to go and skim through the archives? It could take me like three minutes to find that out, all I'd have to do is look through the TTA's of the timeframe and see if any relationship had developed, and would've seen that none HAD. But alas, I do not work at Marvel Comics, and neither do many of us (Though the research quality probably would improve tremendously if we did!)
3. And someone at Marvel please tell me, when the heck did Hank and Jan find the time to get re-married and the readers had not even known? Before Mighty Avengers #whatever it was, we hadn't even KNOWN they had gotten re-married. Or is that just poor research rearing its ugly head again?
OK, enough ranting from me. Let me just add one thing: Is the research department really that poor?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Dec 13, 2008 7:29:31 GMT -5
3. And someone at Marvel please tell me, when the heck did Hank and Jan find the time to get re-married and the readers had not even known? Before Mighty Avengers #whatever it was, we hadn't even KNOWN they had gotten re-married. Or is that just poor research rearing its ugly head again? They didn't get re-married, that was simply a confusingly worded line. When Jan said "My soon to be very ex-husband", it didn't mean that he was "soon to be ex", she was basically saying 'Tell my ex-husband' with 'soon to be VERY' thrown in to emphasise the greater distance between them. I know that sounds confusing and like a poor explanation but it's genuinely the meaning. And for the record, I don't think this was just to explain away Bendis doing poor research or whatever, it's just his writing style to throw that in there, and I actually didn't understand the confusion about it for a while, probably because I'm more used to that style now.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Dec 13, 2008 10:20:01 GMT -5
Santa Doom: Yeah, that's what I also had originally thought, but take a look at the last page in the previews section. She is referred to as "... your late wife" to Pym. That's where the confusion sets in to me. I'm guessing they're all doing it as a courtesy to Pym? Cool idea, but horribly confusing to me. Or maybe I'm just not used to newer comic book writing. Suffice to say, I don't want to just rip on the book. It does have positive points from the previews. Like I said, that is one insanely cool cover, and the scene with Hank/Jan is adorable! I've said that I would go ahead and start reading Mighty Avengers, so why not start with that one?
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Post by freedomfighter on Dec 13, 2008 21:42:56 GMT -5
It is bad editing for sure. Bendis rarely gets things right, but that's the reason you have editors on a book. Television for example dates back to 1928. Captain America being a famous patriotic symbol probably appeared on a few television shows before disappearing in 1945. he would know what it was. Not only that, Cap was friends with Churchill, is McDonald's really going to impress him? This whole exchange made Janet sound dumber than a bag of rocks. For example a good editor could've simply said "Hey Brian, the scene doesn't work as written. Cap came out like gangbusters, so let's maybe work so he's being examined after his reawakening, or maybe just have Cap doing something else as Pym is running tests from a booth. We're needlessly changing well established canon for a scene that would work any number of other ways. It's the exchange between the Pyms that's important right? And Jan is smarter than this. She's flighty but smart, think Audrey Hepburn in Breakfast at Tiffany's. That same bubbly carefree spirit but shrewd. Don't lose that dimension, otherwise it makes her just seem flat." So I can't just blame the writer; an editor should've been all over this... Seems to be a lost skill at Marvel.
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Post by goldenfist on Dec 15, 2008 1:15:36 GMT -5
It's the last issue that Bendis is doing shouldn't everyone be jumping up and down right now.
Why doesn't anyone try to e-mail Bendis and ask for their money back.
Joe Q is the Editor I guess he didn't care about what happens in the issue.
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