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Post by Nutcase65 on Oct 9, 2008 17:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by starfoxxx on Oct 9, 2008 18:28:41 GMT -5
Wow. A Kaiser Souza moment.
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 9, 2008 20:27:39 GMT -5
Let me be the first to say that I am not the least bit amused by this. You have crossed the line between real life's emotions and the kind of passing feelings we get from our four-color fun.
I would consider you unwelcome around here, Jim. Go make your point elsewhere.
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Post by woodside on Oct 9, 2008 20:37:31 GMT -5
How dare you?
I can't believe you'd do this, Jim. Faking your own death to prove that comic book deaths matter? I'm insulted. Completely insulted.
I mourned you! On my honeymoon!
Horrible behavior. You put us through all this torment to prove a point about comics? Did you think this would change anyone's mind? My God, man, those are fictional characters! I don't give a nuts about Cap or Thor compared to my fellow posters!
I am furious at you for this! I'm with Doug -- as far as I'm concerned, you're unwelcome here.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Oct 9, 2008 20:57:35 GMT -5
To be honest, I never even thought about this getting over here. Once it did I should've stopped it but I was only thinking of the article. I am sorry and not surprised you feel this way and will respect your request
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Post by woodside on Oct 9, 2008 21:15:48 GMT -5
To be honest, I never even thought about this getting over here. Once it did I should've stopped it but I was only thinking of the article. I am sorry and not surprised you feel this way and will respect your request I'm glad your precious article is such a success. It only cost you the respect and friendship of at least myself . . . and probably others here.
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Post by Tana Nile on Oct 9, 2008 21:32:32 GMT -5
I don't even know where to begin. The level of cruelty and thoughtlessness you've exhibited is unbelieveable. I'm not buying this justification of performing some sort of social experiment, "for our own good" of course. You manipulated people's emotions, lied to them, and aggrandized yourself - this was obviously for your own enjoyment. To think I spent time empathizing with your poor family over losing you...you're d**n right I'm angry. Take your games somewhere else.
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Post by scottharris on Oct 9, 2008 22:23:53 GMT -5
Seriously?
I'm currently scratching my head, so I can't blow my top or else I'll take my own hand off, but, like, WTF? I should point out that it didn't just "get over here", since you posted here yourself to perpetuate it. But, whatever. This is a new one on me.
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Post by Van Plexico on Oct 9, 2008 22:35:37 GMT -5
Dispicable and incredibly myopic.
I thought of reducing your number of posts to 1 in order to reduce your rank to "New Avenger," but that would be a silly, "comic book" response to something that was not a silly, comic book action on your part.
I do not claim to have any sort of moral authority to judge your actions, and will say no more on the subject. I will think what I think and others will come to their own conclusions. But I will not take any action of a "Message Board" sort in response to this-- such a thing would, in my view, be woefully inadequate and inappropriate to the situation.
I do, however, have to go into the ASSEMBLED 2 file and erase the dedication page.
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Post by Shiryu on Oct 10, 2008 4:07:28 GMT -5
There are a number of thoughts crowding my mind right now, some of which I better censor for the sake of the readers. I thought there were things that weren't adding up, the speed of you recovery after so extensive injuries, or the fact that you best friend was posting from your very same IP address, but I kept pushing them away because I didn't think anyone could make such a cruel joke. Looks like I was wrong.
Let's just say I echo what Dlw and Van have said. I'm happy you are alive, but right now I really don't feel like reading much of you.
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 10, 2008 7:26:09 GMT -5
Trust.
Simply that. When Van e-mailed me to ask if I'd submit for Assembled! 2, I trusted him to actually read and criticize what I'd written. When Shiryu offered me access to some back issues, I trusted him to put them in the mail. When Sharkar and Tana and I decided to start a blog to expand on some of our Silver and Bronze Age ideas, I trusted them to come through with their share of the "work".
But here -- are you even married? Did you really have surgery last year? Did you really have a blood ailment that made you tired all of the time? Do you even like the Avengers, or are you just so attention-starved that you ran out and bought the DVD-ROM so you could kick out reviews at a rate of 3 per day?
Sad, sick, twisted, manipulative, and so many more things. Judgement day is coming, sir.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Oct 10, 2008 9:06:48 GMT -5
Does an article about COMIC BOOKS really matter THAT much that you fake your own death to prove a point?
Dude, what did you expect after the dust had cleared? That everyone would congratulate you for such a horrible, and let me add STUPID stunt? I don't understand at all, do you enjoy doing this? Taking people's emotions and practically leeching off of them for the sake for making an article about comic books? How do you think some people feel on here? The people that were closer to you on this board than some people you've known in real life? How do you think they feel?
There comes a time when people need to draw a line between real life and comic books. When it comes to the point that you have to fake your death to write an article about a comic book, maybe it's time to re-think your hobbies. I freely admit that I look like a clown for acting like a fanboy for Henry Pym, but at least I know to separate real life from my hobbies. Where I don't have to fake my own friggin' death to prove a point about a comic book.
I've seen people do internet scams, where they've faked deaths to collect money. I think that this is more disgusting than that. Because with this, you used your friends' emotions by faking your own death to prove a point about a hobby. To prove a point about comic books.
I've seen people do some slimy and disgusting things before, but you sir, take the cake. Congratulations!
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Post by Ignore Me! on Oct 10, 2008 9:53:29 GMT -5
This is definatly an "interesting" way to get a point across. I can see what you were trying to do. Comics went from "teasers" back in my day where they'd show a fallen hero on the cover with their co-stars grieving around them that had absolutely nothing do do with what was inside the comic to killing characters off left and right for the $$$. Can't say I agree with how far you took this, but I for one thank the powers that be that you ain't dead. 'Nuff said.
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 10, 2008 13:13:07 GMT -5
Furthermore, I know Jim is just lurking now, reading all of this stuff. And to think he was doing the same thing a week ago when we were saying our final thoughts about him. Watching us while we were being played for fools...
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Post by Shiryu on Oct 10, 2008 13:31:59 GMT -5
Try not to think about that.
What made my anger *almost* go away has been thinking to the depth we all showed in this situation. Members who hadn't posted in months came back and paid their respects, almost no posts were made for days. In suffering and mourning for the "death" of someone we had never met, in devoting topics or books to him, remembering him, crying about him, each and everyone of us came through in the best possible way, as human beings. And while Nutcase is dead to me right now, my respect for all the other AAers, including those with whose ideas I often disagree, has become even greater than it was. In all of this, we lost Nutcase, but perhaps found something more in everybody else. It's little consolation after the way we have been played, but I'd say it's something.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Oct 10, 2008 13:57:50 GMT -5
You are most certainly right. And I wish you luck in finding it, but I can't say I offer any.
I'm going to go with Shiryu here, Jim, and opt for mostly silence, because on an internet FULL of complete assholes, I'm more than a little pissed off that one of the "nicest guys" proved to be one of the worst.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Oct 10, 2008 20:55:01 GMT -5
Reading Jim's responses in the comments section of the original website posting, it's fairly obvious to me that he clearly does not see the point in why everyone is so angry with him. And that to me is sad. I also think it is unfortunate that Jim felt the need to leech off of everyone else's emotions for the sake of a friggin' article about comic books.
Jim, let me just point it out again, it's just a friggin' comic book. That's all. That's just the way comic books are. I don't see how faking your own death would help prove your point, all it looks like to me is that you're a selfish human being who thought that leeching off of people's real life emotions would be a great idea to help work on an article. A very pointless exercise.
From Jim's own article:
Let me repeat once again, Jim. It's a friggin' comic book. It's not the end of the world. There are many, MANY things wrong with comic books today, but is anything enough to get you to FAKE your own death to prove a point?
There are many people in this world whom have close internet friends. I do. I know a lot of other people do. There are some people whom treat their internet friends in higher regard than their real life friends. It's something called, as Doug put it so perfectly before, TRUST.
I just don't understand why someone would rather alienate their friends for the sake of an 1,000 word article, but maybe that's just me.
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Post by freedomfighter on Oct 11, 2008 0:07:23 GMT -5
I can't believe this guy didn't understand that in the real world, death is final. A comic death no matter how much you invest in it can be overturned in a few days by another writer or artist. And your old comics are always there. I can't even understand how anyone could compare the two. It's a pure shame. I actually felt so moved by a person giving a d**n and trying to do the right thing and now it's just so disappointing... I should be more glad you're alive, but I just don't care right now...
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Post by spiderwasp on Oct 11, 2008 10:04:51 GMT -5
Wow. I have been very busy and didn't log on for the last couple of days so I haven't weighed in on this. Of course I'm angry and in no way wish to hear from or communicate with Jim (If that is his real name) right now, so this is aimed at everyone else. I made a comment early on about how much I've come to enjoy my time spent with this little group of people that I don't know in real life and that really hasn't changed. I don't think this ridiculous and cruel stunt necessarily made any of us suddenly start to feel that but at least it made many of us state it and maybe made the rest of us closer. I guess that's the one good thing to come out of it, though don't get me wrong, those ends certainly do not justify the means. The second thing I feel, after the anger, is pity. I know why I come here. I read comics and have done so for many years. I don't really know anyone, in my real life, who is into the medium in the way that I am. For years, I read the books, reveled in the moments of brilliance and became annoyed at the moments of stupity. However, all of this was self-contained because I had no one to share these thoughts with and knew that if I tried, I would just be boring the other party. Once I discovered this community, I could talk about this hobby that I love with people who understand and shared my passion. I just assumed that all of us understood that, in the overall scheme of things, there were many things out there that were far more important than comics. I thought we all knew that we were discussing a fictional universe. Now we discover that someone out there honestly thinks this stuff is just as important as real life. This person couldn't understand that we would actually be more upset that a person we've been communicating with for a long time had been brutally beaten outside a nightclub would upset us more than when it happened to the Human Torch. He couldn't understand that we would care even more that he died than we did that Captain America did. He couldn't understand that his final words of goodbye would touch us more than Jean Grey's words to Scott Summers on the moon before the death of Phoenix. He actually thought this experiment would make us realize how import the treatment of comic book characters is, when really it helped point out the insignificance. That's the reason pity is actually now overwhelming even my anger. I think maybe we should continue to pray for this person - not for the reasons that we prayed before- but for his sanity. Make no mistake, inability to seperate reality from fantasy is indeed a sign of mental instability and I hope that this guy is able to regain a grasp on the difference. I also pray that the rest of us can go on caring about the Marvel Universe without ever losing sight of its place in reality. Does this pity mean I would be willing to welcome him back to our community? Not a chance.
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Post by Ignore Me! on Oct 11, 2008 10:12:33 GMT -5
Personally, I think you guys are over reacting a bit here. Mr. H wanted to prove a point and I admit it seems he got caught up in the drama of the situation and took it a few steps too far. My first reaction was anger, but then it turned to a 'gotcha moment'. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me - kinda thing.
Not to mention, I was almost as happy to find out he wasn't expired as I was to hear Bendis was leaving an Avengers title.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Oct 11, 2008 11:45:50 GMT -5
Personally, I think you guys are over reacting a bit here. A few steps too far? Dude, he even went as far as to write an article giving tribute to his various friends. Despite what Jim thinks, I tend to treat friends over the internet in higher regard than say, Henry Pym. Henry Pym is a comic book character, and while I may cheer when he gets his day in the sun, he's still an inanimate object. A comic book character, whose viewpoints, powers and actions are determined through comic book writers. Someone over the internet, while you may not know them personally, will be treated in higher regard. Because they're a HUMAN BEING. A living true organism. And while they made hide some things, or keep some things secret, we respect their wishes. If someone is homosexual, and they want to hide it, why must they leave that out in the open? It's their business if they want to keep it to themselves. To compare someone over the internet to a comic book character, is really just too senseless to even comprehend. Anyway, spiderwasp summed this whole situation up better than I ever could. Hear hear. I suggest now, that we go back to our regularly scheduled programming, and talk about comic books. It's the reason why I joined this place, you know.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Oct 11, 2008 18:20:28 GMT -5
For the record, while I'm EXTREMELY pissed at Nutcase, I know... well, I guess I *thought* I knew him. And while that trust is now shaken indeed, I still would say one thing in his defence- and really, it's the ONLY defence, meagre as it is.
I don't think this is a case of confusing reality and fiction, as spiderwasp suggests, I do think the idea that he's unstable or anything is wrong. I think this was absolutely impulse, an idea he had and quickly executed, going on a limb and playing it by ear- I don't think this was pre-meditated and thought out, at least- not in detail. I certainly hope not in any case- but I would say thoughtless, selfish and incredibly stupid rather than imbalanced.
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Post by rosecarver on Oct 12, 2008 7:26:23 GMT -5
I won't comment on the stunt itself; I'll just comment on the article.
I read the linked article and the posted comments. I read the article a second time. I don't get it. I would presume that the article itself is trying to be "real" and make a "real" point since it appears on a website and would seem to be posted by someone that thinks of themself as a writer/author of what is going on in the "real" world. I'm using "real" as opposed to the comic fantasy world.
When someone tries to correlate the "real" world with the fantasy world, it just doesn't work. The online community could be considered to be a hybrid of the real and the fantasy worlds by some, in that one can post whatever one wants to regardless of the truth of the matter. But the online folks posting are in the real world, not the fantasy world.
I go to comix to escape reality and to enjoy the fantasy world. If I get to the point of not enjoying a particular line of fantasy, I drop the comic. Reality has not changed.
So, I just don't get the point the article is trying to relate. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to understand, or maybe the author was not clear enough in his/her writing attempt in this particular article.
Either way, the article itself was a failure.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Oct 12, 2008 21:02:00 GMT -5
You mean Nutcase is dead? I demand this impostor seize his charade and honor our friend's memory by quitting use of his account.
SICK!
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Post by woodside on Oct 13, 2008 9:15:55 GMT -5
You mean Nutcase is dead? I demand this impostor seize his charade and honor our friend's memory by quitting use of his account. SICK! He's a Skrull. No, Nutcase is not dead. He faked his own death to prove a point about comics.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Oct 16, 2008 12:29:59 GMT -5
Man, the internet is weird.
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Post by dlw66 on May 25, 2010 21:37:22 GMT -5
I cannot even believe that you had the guts to log in again here, Jim.
To all of our new users, I'd encourage you to explore this thread from the beginning. It contains one of the more heinous Internet hoaxes. And to have thrust it on this wonderful community that has been the AA! boards...
I know I'd appreciate it if you didn't post here at all anymore. I thought that had been made clear two years ago.
Doug
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Post by woodside on May 26, 2010 13:12:49 GMT -5
Whoa. He had the balls to come back?
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