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Post by kamino on May 8, 2012 17:26:41 GMT -5
Hello everyone! Kamino here from the Philippines. A huge "Avengers" movie fan.
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tomk
New Avenger
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Post by tomk on May 14, 2012 13:40:14 GMT -5
Hello, I've been a fan of the book ever since my dad bought issue 102 for me while waiting at a bus stop in Brooklyn. Fell in love with the book, and with comics. Ever since then I've had a love/hate relationship with Marvel/DC over many of their policies. But I've always had a special interest in The Avengers.
I stopped reading the book when Bendis took over and started New Avengers. Beginning with Avengers Disassembled it became very clear that Bendis had no idea how to write The Avengers. To this day I still can't understand how he managed to keep the book in the top 10 for so long.
With the release of the movie my interest in the book has been re-awakened. I like some of the new additions to the roster, especially The Thing and Valkyrie, and I'm interested to see how Iron Fist is getting along as a member. I'm also happy to see the Hulk finally return as a full-fledged member. I really would like to start picking up the books again, but I hate the 3.99 price tag. Oh well, guess I can get the trades instead.
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Post by humanbelly on May 16, 2012 8:27:00 GMT -5
Hello, I've been a fan of the book ever since my dad bought issue 102 for me while waiting at a bus stop in Brooklyn. Fell in love with the book, and with comics. Ever since then I've had a love/hate relationship with Marvel/DC over many of their policies. But I've always had a special interest in The Avengers. I stopped reading the book when Bendis took over and started New Avengers. Beginning with Avengers Disassembled it became very clear that Bendis had no idea how to write The Avengers. To this day I still can't understand how he managed to keep the book in the top 10 for so long. With the release of the movie my interest in the book has been re-awakened. I like some of the new additions to the roster, especially The Thing and Valkyrie, and I'm interested to see how Iron Fist is getting along as a member. I'm also happy to see the Hulk finally return as a full-fledged member. I really would like to start picking up the books again, but I hate the 3.99 price tag. Oh well, guess I can get the trades instead. This is great having several new, well-spoken voices joining in. Thanks for coming aboard, TomK. One thing you mentioned sparked my curiosity. There've been occasional threads that talk about how we tend to be "imprinted" with what we each consider to be the "real" Avengers-- that being, naturally, whatever team was on the roster when we each first started reading the book. For some (oldsters) it's the original Big Three plus Cap, Giant-Man & the Wasp; for another on this board (I think) it's Cap's quartet plus Goliath & the Wasp & Herc; for me it's the roster that develops from issues #58 through #66; for another, it's the Monica Rambeau/Starfox era team. I was wondering if that holds true for you with the roster circa issue #102? If I recall, it was kind of a rough patch for the title, creatively, as it was the tale-end of Roy Thomas' run, and the rather clunky beginning of Englehart's. And there was a pretty bad extended case of rotating artist syndrome (although the Buckler/Sinnott team was rather good, in my opinion). Clearly, though, the book caught you and held you for good right at that point. Do you indeed identify that as "your" Avengers team? . . . er. . . if you don't mind my being so nosy, that is--? HB
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Post by ultron69 on May 16, 2012 14:57:48 GMT -5
Welcome aboards, tomk! Like many others here, I agree with you about Bendis and also about the hefty price tag on today's comics, not to mention every group (X-Men, Avengers, Spider-Man) seems to have a million titles you need to buy, plus all the mega-events.
Well, not that anyody asked, but I started collecting the Avengers with #161, and no doubt the George Perez and then John Byrne art was a huge reason why, though Jim Shooter had some good stories going at the time. So, the "real" Avengers has Vision, Scarlet Witch, Wonder Man, Ant-Man, Wasp, Beast, Black Panther, Iron Man, and Captain America, natch.
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Post by humanbelly on May 16, 2012 20:05:50 GMT -5
Welcome aboards, tomk! Like many others here, I agree with you about Bendis and also about the hefty price tag on today's comics, not to mention every group (X-Men, Avengers, Spider-Man) seems to have a million titles you need to buy, plus all the mega-events. Well, not that anyody asked, but I started collecting the Avengers with #161, and no doubt the George Perez and then John Byrne art was a huge reason why, though Jim Shooter had some good stories going at the time. So, the "real" Avengers has Vision, Scarlet Witch, Wonder Man, Ant-Man, Wasp, Beast, Black Panther, Iron Man, and Captain America, natch. Aha-- a perfect illustration of my point. Thanks much, Ultron! HB
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tomk
New Avenger
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Post by tomk on May 16, 2012 21:11:28 GMT -5
HB, I cannot in all honesty claim any particular team as "mine". Although issue 102 got me interested in collecting the book, the earliest issue I can remember reading is 58. I was mesmerized by the large cast of characters I had no knowledge of, and devoured the book trying to learn as much as possible about each and every one appearing within it.
I can say that issue 102 began my love affair with the Vision. He was my favorite character up until John Byrne got ahold of him in the West Coast title. Since then he just hasn't been the same.
One of the things I enjoy about The Avengers is how the creators can take a c-list character and make him/her truly interesting. I never cared much for Crystal of the Inhumans, but I did enjoy her story arc in Avengers, along with The Black Knight and Circe, among others. Hawkeye, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch were not very strong characters, yet look at them now. Hawkeye has led both an Avengers team and the Thunderbolts, Quicksilver was a major player in the House of M mini, and the Scarlet Witch has transformed from a character with very little control of her powers to one of the most, if not THE most, powerful mutants around. She-Hulk, Tigra and Ms Marvel had their series cancelled prior to becoming Avengers. Now they are (or were before Bendis) very popular members.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Sept 2, 2012 21:50:41 GMT -5
Hey all!
I'm 40 years old, happily married for 15 years, and still read comics.
I started reading them back in '78-'79. Due to their cheap prices back then, I was able to read quite a range of titles from numerous publishers, but really lived and breathed Marvel.
Simonson on Thor, Byrne on FF, Stern on Avengers & Spider-Man, Claremont on X-Men, Gruenwald on Cap, Michilenie & Layton on Iron Man, Miller on DD, Archie Goodwin editing the Epic Line, 80s Marvel remains my favorite 'period' of comic history to this day.
The first issue of Avengers I ever read (ie borrowed) was #214, which had a fight against Ghost Rider. First issue of Avengers I ever bought was #219 and soon afterwards I convinced my mom to get me a mail subscription to the title which I kept throughout the 80s and into the early 90s.
I lost track of the group after Onslaught but hopped back aboard with Busiek/Perez Avengers.
I hopped back off with the arrival of Bendis and really haven't read the book(s) since. Very little of Bendis' work have I liked so the recent news of his departure plus Marvel's announcements of NOW re-launch have me really excited about the team.
Don't really have a 'favorite' line-up so besides the Big 3, Wonder Man, Hawkeye, Black Knight, and Wasp have been among my favorite members.
Happy to find a place to discuss all things Avengers!
(Plus, loved the movie)
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Post by spiderwasp on Sept 3, 2012 11:06:52 GMT -5
Welcome aboard Marvel Boy. From the sounds of it, you'll fit right in with this group -you're in agreement with many and, I'm sure, you'll be able to engage in healthy polite debate with others. This is a really great forum because, unlike some other forums I've visited, it's uncommon for some to call you an idiot or be rude when there is a disagreement, although, as I said, it doesn't sound like you'll be running into tons of opposition for the thoughts you've expressed so far.
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 3, 2012 14:01:06 GMT -5
And let me echo SW's warm words of welcome, there, MarvelBoy. Nice job of introducing yourself with a post that relates directly to an on-going topic, in fact: When Did You Jump Into the Avengers?
It looks like you were hooked at kind of an unusual point, as well. The end of the Shooter era, followed by several months of rotating artists, followed by the beginning of the Stern era. Right in the heart of poor Hank's downfall. Do you have a memory of how that played to you at the time? Assuming you wouldn't have had the several years of Hank's backstory to draw from, did the sense of there still being a "hero" in that fallen hero come across to you?
The other question, of course, is whether you consider that particular team to be "your" team. Your list of favorites does indeed point in that direction, I'd say!
Great to have you aboard-- thanks for giving us a look--!
HB
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Post by Marvel Boy on Sept 3, 2012 21:11:13 GMT -5
Ah, the Trial of Hank Pym, with Egghead no less!
My mail subscription kicked in with this story arc, so forget about dipping your toes in the water, just cannonball into the deep end of the pool. No idea of the importance of Hank to history of the team, but I do remember seeing him as a man trying to redeem himself over mistakes, both real and perceived.
(A good thing about that time, footnotes. If you were interested in reading about that previous event alluded to in the story, here's the issue number to go hunt for in the back issues bin. Footnotes were a godsend)
As for 'my team', I suppose one could say that about that particular line-up. I will always look specially upon Captain Marvel and Starfox. I have always been more partial to the rosters from #200 onwards.
Which is another reason I found Bendis' tenure lacking. The idea that anyone within the MU can be an Avenger, it takes away that unique quality of 'your era team'. I loved the membership drive issues, eagerly awaiting to see who would or would not join and why. I felt as if I was part of a grand Marvel tradition by reading those. Hopefully, that feeling may return soon.....
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pym
Reservist Avenger
"About 20 yards to my right…"
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Post by pym on Sept 4, 2012 15:06:10 GMT -5
Welcome aboard Marvel Boy!
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 12, 2012 5:15:23 GMT -5
*Whew* Glad to see we have a new member (heh- "MrCool") aboard, knocking that absurd "donjuanbosco" kitchen supplier straw man off of the Newest Member heading on the opening page. It's always embarrassing when someone fictional is being highlighted. . . (Plus DJB unfairly usurped Marvel Boy's term of glory in that favored spot.)
MrCool, eh? A refreshing burst of honest self-confidence-! ;D
HB
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Post by spiderwasp on Sept 12, 2012 15:07:57 GMT -5
*Whew* Glad to see we have a new member (heh- "MrCool") aboard, knocking that absurd "donjuanbosco" kitchen supplier straw man off of the Newest Member heading on the opening page. It's always embarrassing when someone fictional is being highlighted. . . (Plus DJB unfairly usurped Marvel Boy's term of glory in that favored spot.) MrCool, eh? A refreshing burst of honest self-confidence-! ;D HB What??? You mean you're not all excited about buying kitchen supplies on an Avengers website? Honestly HB, sometimes I just don't understand you. ;D
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 12, 2012 20:27:40 GMT -5
*Whew* Glad to see we have a new member (heh- "MrCool") aboard, knocking that absurd "donjuanbosco" kitchen supplier straw man off of the Newest Member heading on the opening page. It's always embarrassing when someone fictional is being highlighted. . . (Plus DJB unfairly usurped Marvel Boy's term of glory in that favored spot.) MrCool, eh? A refreshing burst of honest self-confidence-! ;D HB What??? You mean you're not all excited about buying kitchen supplies on an Avengers website? Honestly HB, sometimes I just don't understand you. ;D Why, Bless my Timbaland Boots, SW--! Have I indeed fallen so far off of the Merry-Go-Round of Rampant Materialism?? *sigh* Perhaps I should have struck up a deeper relationship the new member who was hawking the Avengers Movie Cards from the Phillipines 7-11's, or whatever it was. . . (Mind you, I've been burned in the past on this very board by striking up a friendly, warm, chatty conversation with a "new member" who turned out to be an ad-bot. Sharkar had to pull me aside and break the news to me. How mortifying. Oy, the sense of betrayal. . . ) ;D ;D HB
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pym
Reservist Avenger
"About 20 yards to my right…"
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Post by pym on Sept 30, 2012 11:42:36 GMT -5
I am not sure where I should make this post...so I will start here.
Do any of you think that there is a place on these boards for a thread concerning EC Comics? I have not been able to find a site.
I have been continually impressed by the kindness, knowledge and insight displayed by all of the members here.
My kindest regards.
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Post by sharkar on Oct 3, 2012 12:57:40 GMT -5
I am not sure where I should make this post...so I will start here. Do any of you think that there is a place on these boards for a thread concerning EC Comics? I have not been able to find a site. I have been continually impressed by the kindness, knowledge and insight displayed by all of the members here. My kindest regards. Hi Pym, Your topics have reignited this board, so I say go for it! FWIW, I've not read or owned any actual ECs and am not very familiar with EC (other than knowing of their existence and some basic facts), so I would not be able to contribute...but I would definitely be interested in reading posts by other AA members and their experiences/thoughts about EC.
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Post by humanbelly on Oct 3, 2012 21:41:36 GMT -5
I am not sure where I should make this post...so I will start here. Do any of you think that there is a place on these boards for a thread concerning EC Comics? I have not been able to find a site. I have been continually impressed by the kindness, knowledge and insight displayed by all of the members here. My kindest regards. Hi Pym, Your topics have reignited this board, so I say go for it! FWIW, I've not read or owned any actual ECs and am not very familiar with EC (other than knowing of their existence and some basic facts), so I would not be able to contribute...but I would definitely be interested in reading posts by other AA members and their experiences/thoughts about EC. I haven't read too many of them either, I'm afraid. A few reprints here & there. They're a rather specialized taste, and actually fall before the time of even the older folks amongst us. Most of us wouldn't have grown up reading them-- their timeclock having long since been punched by Wertham's SEDUCTION OF THE INNOCENT bruhaha. Weren't the first few issues of Mad Magazine produced under the EC label? HB
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pym
Reservist Avenger
"About 20 yards to my right…"
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Post by pym on Oct 5, 2012 21:37:15 GMT -5
Thank you my friends! And yes...Mad, as well as Panic were published in the comic book format by EC. Be well!
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Post by wundagoreborn on Jan 2, 2013 10:03:13 GMT -5
I've been reading the site for a few weeks and enjoying, so I thought it was time to register and come out of the woodwork.
Me: Pinheaded bureaucrat, looking at 45 next month.
Me & comics: I discovered comics via the Avengers as a 5th grader in the late 70s and read avidly thru the mid-80s. Mostly hero teams, always Avengers, occasionally a member solo book. Then I put the boxes in the attic in HS.
Now I'm finding one of the joys of middle age is that I'm letting myself rediscover the things I enjoy that I got too cool, or too serious, or too busy or too whatever to let myself enjoy over the years. So I'm back in the comic shops, buying back issues and filling in some of the 30 year hole in my experience. I'm still missing more Avengers books than I have, but I'm working on it.
Since I'm a long way from catching up to the present, I'll probably hang in the 'classic' threads. I'll also probably not comment much, since there is so much I don't know, but I look forward to learning from the interesting exchanges here.
Thanks to mods and contributors for this great space. I'm glad I found it.
w
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Post by ultron69 on Jan 4, 2013 14:28:32 GMT -5
Welcome aboard, wundagoreborn! Your profile sounds a lot like mine, except that I'm a pinheaded engineer (looking at 44 this month!)
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 4, 2013 22:28:28 GMT -5
Fellas, fellas-- no one's a pinhead 'round here--! (Well, maybe the Timberland Boot and Philippine 7-11 hawkers. . . ) Don't be so hard on yourselves, now, y'hear? Although "bureaucrat" and "engineer" do bring to mind a somewhat Dilbert-esque scenario, I must confess. . . It's great to have you aboard, Wundagoreborn-! Although, by my boisterous belly, might there be a shorter name to address you by? Wundy? WDGB? Wun? Man, that moniker is keyboard-full--- let me tell ya--- Hey, coming into the series in the mid/late 70's-- does that start you with, say, Bride of Ultron? Or a bit later with Michael/Korvac Saga, maybe? Oh! And let's go ahead and have you identify which group you'd consider "your" team, if you'd like to share that with us. It continues the ice-breaking process, and I honestly am always impressed and surprised by the different answers. And even the most derided "eras" have their adherents on this very board, so you'll never be w/out support. Woodside's gotcher back for a good chunk of the Bendis run; I'm with ya for the Gatherers (although they're not my favorite), and someone 'round here- Starfoxxx, is it?- will support you for the Stern/Milgrom period. Okay, maybe not "The Crossing Line" or "TimeSlide"-- you may be on your own there, still. HB
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Post by wundagoreborn on Jan 6, 2013 11:42:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcomes! WB works, if you want to save some keystrokes. "Hey you" is also functional.
As I mention in the Nostalgia/From the Beginning thread, my journey with the Avengers began on the slopes of Wundagore, in Avengers 186. The Avengers I "imprinted on" (a valuable concept I learned here at AA) were the Federally restricted line-ups of that time. So I'm one of those that always think of Beast as an Avenger first, for instance. He staggers through the dimly lit streets of my heart singing out of tune Hermans Hermits with Wonder Man. You get the idea.
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Post by ultron69 on Jan 9, 2013 12:29:02 GMT -5
HB, I think that in keeping with the Marvel superhero (annoying) habit of shortening everybody's name by adding "y" or "ie" to the end of it, no matter how nonsensical the result, I hereby nominate wundagoreborn as "Wundy" and, by that token, I suppose I should by "Ulty" (see what I mean about nonsensical results?).
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 9, 2013 12:50:26 GMT -5
HB, I think that in keeping with the Marvel superhero (annoying) habit of shortening everybody's name by adding "y" or "ie" to the end of it, no matter how nonsensical the result, I hereby nominate wundagoreborn as "Wundy" and, by that token, I suppose I should by "Ulty" (see what I mean about nonsensical results?). Y'know, I wouldn't bet money that your homonymous "Ultie" hasn't been used before-! It sounds like an incredibly likely derivative that Beast or Spiderman or even Hawkeye would tend to use in the heat of battle with the Adamantium-plated one. ;D But yeah, the letters pages during the Silver Age was where that practice was particularly rife, wasn't it? Generally, I bought into it for the attempt it was at setting an easy, familiar tone with the readers (and letter writers), but it could sometimes overstep its bounds into being overly-familiar or a bit cloying or even patronizing (kind of checked-jacket, used-car-salesman-ish, y'know?). "Wundagorebornie"-- now THERE'S a nom du board that makes folks sit up and take notice-! (Just kiddin', WB-- naturally, I'm rather a fan of the ol' Initials-as-ID, myself. Heh- ) "Aitchbie"
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Post by spiderwasp on Jan 9, 2013 16:54:13 GMT -5
HB, I think that in keeping with the Marvel superhero (annoying) habit of shortening everybody's name by adding "y" or "ie" to the end of it, no matter how nonsensical the result, I hereby nominate wundagoreborn as "Wundy" and, by that token, I suppose I should by "Ulty" (see what I mean about nonsensical results?). I guess I can't really play this game. Whether you term me Spidey or Waspie, it's already been used in the actual MU.
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Post by ultron69 on Jan 10, 2013 8:20:53 GMT -5
HB, I think Spider-Man was the worst offender, but certainly Beast & Hawkeye were not above such silly nicknames, either. I'd actually be surprised if my Adamantium-plated namesake hasn't been called "Ultie" by some Marvel do-gooder, but I'll leave it up to someone more ambitous than me to figure that out.
Spiderwasp, how about "Swaspie"? No?
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 10, 2013 9:12:22 GMT -5
"Swaspie's" not bad, Ultron-! (Wait a minute-- isn't that what Tony Stark had a craving for at the end of the Avengers movie. . . ?) O'course, we're overlooking the obvious: SPIDEYWASPIE ;D HB
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Post by wundagoreborn on Jan 11, 2013 6:36:57 GMT -5
As long as Wundy doesn't come with a requirement to wear a red safari jacket, I might answer to it.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 13, 2013 11:54:18 GMT -5
What's so wrong with a red sports jacket? It's the ultimate in superhero apparel. ;D
Welcome Knight of Wundagore!
Like you mentioned being a comics child of the 80s, when I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me and she says fill in the blanks and holes in your 80s collection/reading.
For example, when I heard that Peter David suffered a stroke (Best Wishes for his recovery), I realized that I'd read very little of his landmark Incredible Hulk run, one of the few 80s Marvel titles that I didn't follow even on a semi-regular basis.
So now trying to track down some of his Hulk TPBs for the most decent price I can find. (Yes, HB, there may yet be another Hulk fan waiting to burst from the closet and out into the foyer of Avengers Mansion)
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Post by spiderman1984 on Feb 27, 2013 3:16:08 GMT -5
hi everybody' i have been an avenger fan since i started reading the The New Avengers comic book' i started reading it because, it had Spiderman, on the Team, and also because i thought the book was awesome, Captain America, is my favorite Avenger, after Spiderman, i also like the other members too, i have also seen the Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes Animated Series, and i have also seen the Avengers Movie, which i thought was a awesome Movie, i am also looking forward to seeing the new Avengers Animated Series, and the next Movie.
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