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Post by dlw66 on May 29, 2008 8:53:21 GMT -5
Since we're having a love-in with favorite covers from particular titles, I thought about this while spelunking around Leader's Lair:
Post your favorite Avengers covers, but not from any Avengers title. So in other words, you're looking for a Defenders cover featuring the Avengers, or a Dr. Strange cover featuring the Avengers.
Rules are that there must be at least 2 Avengers on the cover, or the team name must appear.
Have at it!
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Post by woodside on May 29, 2008 9:18:13 GMT -5
Being a big X-Head, I thought I'd pull some out from there. First up is X-Men # 26 from 1993, which is part of the Avengers/X-Men crossover, Bloodties.  There's just something about two misfits standing alongside two huge super-hero icons that makes me smile. Plus, there are so many things these characters have in common. Cyclops and Cap both being great leaders; Rogue and Scarlet Witch both having histories as villians and both having psychological problems brought about by their powers. The next one is from Wolverine # 40, Part Five of the "Origins and Endings" storyline.  The issue itself was disappointing, but the cover seemed to really indicate that it would deal with Wolverine's membership as an Avenger and how Iron Man and Cap handle having him on board. I think both characters were in the issue for two pages . . . but it's still a neat cover. It makes me think that perhaps they're somewhat trapped with having made him a member -- when Logan's all about violence. And now that he has memories back (in this issue), maybe it's a lot worse than they both thought. But yeah . . . good cover. |
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Post by dlw66 on May 29, 2008 9:39:09 GMT -5
W, that second one is a nice-looking cover! How about this? Byrne pencils... (I got the scans from the Grand Comics Database -- the second cover is merely to show the price variation).  |
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Post by Shiryu on May 29, 2008 11:19:14 GMT -5
What about these ones  From Ross' Marvels. I think it's one of the hardcovers, featuring Giant Man and Wasp And I've always loved some Secret Wars' covers, so    |
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 3, 2008 10:52:57 GMT -5
I know I put this in the FF cover thread, but it so good it deserves to be seen again!  here's another one involving old greenskin:  Technically, only Iron man was an Avenger at this time. But all of these guys have now been Avengers!  |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 3, 2008 21:53:29 GMT -5
Here's a favorite cover of mine- -FF Annual #3- -featuring a number of Avengers - - past, present (the Kooky Quartet was the core group at the time), and even future. A lively cover and a celebration not just of Sue and Reed, but of the still-young and developing Marvel Comics itself. And this may be the first time Iron Man and Thor fought side by side with the new (as of Avg. #16) line-up, though Wanda is not actually shown in the story (despite her appearance on the cover). FF Annual #3 is also the last FF issue before Sinnott takes over as the FF's regular inker. The next time we'd see an inker other than Joe on the FF would be exactly two years later, on FF Annual #5, with Frank Giacoia doing the honors.  EDIT: replaced image |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 4, 2008 5:28:33 GMT -5
Here's a favorite cover of mine- -FF Annual #3- -featuring a number of Avengers - - past, present (the Kooky Quartet was the core group at the time), and even future. A lively cover and a celebration not just of Sue and Reed, but of the still-young and developing Marvel Comics itself. And this may be the first time Iron Man and Thor fought side by side with the new (as of Avg. #16) line-up, though Wanda is not actually shown in the story (despite her appearance on the cover). FF Annual #3 is also the last FF issue before Sinnott takes over as the FF's regular inker. The next time we'd see an inker other than Joe on the FF would be exactly two years later, on FF Annual #5, with Frank Giacoia doing the honors.  There's one episode on the Sub-Mariner's old Marvel Superheroes cartoon where we get to see a lot of early Marvel characters interacting with each other. If I'm not mistaken, on that episode they're trapped on a building which is hauled to space, and Subby gets to save the day. Was this episode inspired (however loosely) on this F.F. annual, or was it based on some other story...? |
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 4, 2008 10:14:17 GMT -5
Man, Bong, I love those old cartoons. Even though most of them are on YouTube, I still wish Marvel would arrange a nice DVD boxed set of them! How about this Neal Adams beauty? I know, the main panel only shows one Avenger (so I'm cheating a little), but since the Black Widow is pictured elsewhere I figured "what the heck?"! BTW, the Black Bolt/Thor battle is reprinted in the Marvel Visionaries: Roy Thomas hardcover.  |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 4, 2008 11:19:34 GMT -5
There's one episode on the Sub-Mariner's old Marvel Superheroes cartoon where we get to see a lot of early Marvel characters interacting with each other. If I'm not mistaken, on that episode they're trapped on a building which is hauled to space, and Subby gets to save the day. Was this episode inspired (however loosely) on this F.F. annual, or was it based on some other story...? Wow--you have a great memory, Bong! Yes, there is a Subby espisode called "Dr. Doom's Day," which is based on the events in FF #Annual 3 and which features heroes and villains galore. The thing is, the FF don't appear in the episode because the animator (Grantray-Lawrence) didn't have the rights to the FF characters at the time...so in lieu of the FF, the X-Men's role was beefed up. Here's the episode: www.immortalthor.net/cartoon_namor-drdoomsday.html |
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Post by woodside on Jun 4, 2008 11:31:32 GMT -5
Wow . . . that actually hurt to watch.
I wonder if Professor X's brain sensed danger at all?
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Post by spiderwasp on Jun 4, 2008 19:42:01 GMT -5
Wow . . . that actually hurt to watch. I wonder if Professor X's brain sensed danger at all? You mean his mutant brain? I also loved Iceman desperately running in place toward the camera and Ironman jumping into the air and then flying in a frozen running position. Watch this and then watch one of the Ultimate Avengers movies. It's like going from cave drawings to Michaelangelo in only 40 years. |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 4, 2008 21:15:44 GMT -5
According to many commentators on "You Tube", whoever downloaded the episode edited it as well to make it look more stupid...
Now my memory fails me at this point but I'd like to think the good people at Marvel and Grantray-Lawrence would know better than to make Xavier parrot over and over the bit about his mutant brain, even in a cartoon aimed at children...
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Post by spiderwasp on Jun 4, 2008 21:41:09 GMT -5
According to many commentators on "You Tube", whoever downloaded the episode edited it as well to make it look more stupid... Now my memory fails me at this point but I'd like to think the good people at Marvel and Grantray-Lawrence would know better than to make Xavier parrot over and over the bit about his mutant brain, even in a cartoon aimed at children... That makes sense. I know I've seen some of the Spidey cartoons from the same period and they are really bad but not quite that bad. Nevertheless, they probably didn't edit that much. |
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 4, 2008 23:14:46 GMT -5
Buscema, 1979, kids!! Further proof that Al Milgrom can make anyone look bad, not just himself (sorry, Shiryu!!)...  |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 5, 2008 7:01:44 GMT -5
According to many commentators on "You Tube", whoever downloaded the episode edited it as well to make it look more stupid... This was edited??  Geez, when will people ever learn to stop tampering with the classics?  (Edited or not, I love the patchwork quality here: it contains elements not only from the aforementioned FF Ann. #3, but also FF #6--but no FF, though their "4" insignia is seen in one shot; plus there's the inclusion of panels by both Kirby and Colan- -not exactly complementary styles.) Isn't it funny, though, how it was Subby who got to save the day...? After all, he's a little out of his element in space... You'd think Iron Man or Thor or even the Hulk (since Subby was LEAPING from asteroid to asteroid) would have been better suited for the task at hand... Well, I'm assuming Thor & the Hulk were there, I didn't get to see them. |
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 5, 2008 10:14:14 GMT -5
So you're saying they took bad animation and then gave it a bad story? Hmmm.... Seems like those creators were about 40 years ahead of their time! Slap a $3 price tag on stuff like that today and turn a profit!! Back to our regularly scheduled "Avengers in Strange Places"... This puppy's from January 1965, predating yours truly by about 18 months! I always thought Wanda's "donut boots" were kind of cool, although certainly a dated look now.  Or, this 1967 gem from the mother country:  |
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 5, 2008 12:51:26 GMT -5
Granted, those cartoons were awful...but it was all we had back then! I recall when I was a kid, I would watch anything with super-heroes in it, good or bad. We simply didn't have the options back then that we do now. So I even sat through those live-action Super-Friends specials, that were so incredibly dreadful. I could still get something out of it.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 5, 2008 18:59:46 GMT -5
I was the same way, Tana. I remember spending holidays by the sea with a cousin my own age. Surrounded by the waves we would role-play, but 1st we would play rock-paper-scissors: the winner got to be the Sub-Mariner; the loser... Aquaman.  |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 5, 2008 21:12:59 GMT -5
Back to our regularly scheduled "Avengers in Strange Places"... This puppy's from January 1965, predating yours truly by about 18 months! I always thought Wanda's "donut boots" were kind of cool... Oh, I'm glad you said that about her boots, dlw, because I got the impression (mistakenly, it seems) that you didn't like those ringed boots...at least that's how I interpreted your recent post in the "Favorite and Least Favorite Looks for Avengers": Wanda -- the outfit she wore after the Kooky Quartet era, but before she was outfitted in her gypsy attire by Perez. Plain boots, not the little shoes with the rings up her shins. Personally, I have always liked Wanda's little ringed boots - -along with the opera gloves and original clunky headpiece, as designed by Kirby. I'm sure such an ensemble was a b*tch to draw on a regular basis, so I can understand why Heck and later Buscema streamlined that costume and its components, but in doing so, I feel her look became much more generic. Anyway, you posted one of my favorite covers; and this story features the first meeting (on-panel, anyway) of future rivals Pietro and Johnny!  EDIT: replaced image |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 5, 2008 21:33:28 GMT -5
Isn't it funny, though, how it was Subby who got to save the day...? After all, he's a little out of his element in space... You'd think Iron Man or Thor or even the Hulk (since Subby was LEAPING from asteroid to asteroid) would have been better suited for the task at hand... This particular sequence is pretty much lifted straight from the panels of FF #6. In the comic, Namor reasons that since he's accustomed to taking huge leaps out of the ocean, then taking similar leaps through space should pose no problem.  Stan actually uses this premise again later on in FF #62, when Triton muses that navigating through sub-space (the Negative Zone) is similar to navigating through the vast depths of the ocean. |
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 6, 2008 10:38:55 GMT -5
Oh, I'm glad you said that about her boots, dlw, because I got the impression (mistakenly, it seems) that you didn't like those ringed boots...at least that's how I interpreted your recent post in the "Favorite and Least Favorite Looks for Avengers": Wanda -- the outfit she wore after the Kooky Quartet era, but before she was outfitted in her gypsy attire by Perez. Plain boots, not the little shoes with the rings up her shins. Personally, I have always liked Wanda's little ringed boots - -along with the opera gloves and original clunky headpiece, as designed by Kirby. I'm sure such an ensemble was a b*tch to draw on a regular basis, so I can understand why Heck and later Buscema streamlined that costume and its components, but in doing so, I feel her look became much more generic. No, I did like the early Kooky Quartet look, but I just think it's dated. In that other thread, I posted the "eternal" look for her, as I see it.  Floating heads, anyone?  |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 6, 2008 12:14:27 GMT -5
No, I did like the early Kooky Quartet look, but I just think it's dated. In that other thread, I posted the "eternal" look for her, as I see it. You have good taste, dlw!  Back to the "cover challenge", here's a classic:  And this beauty from Colan:  Clint and Natasha sure get around, don't they?    |
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 9, 2008 10:28:37 GMT -5
You gotta love this one:  |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 9, 2008 12:36:41 GMT -5
I do love it ;D! Sal did some great covers, full of Marvel drama. The "Titans Three" was a kind of precursor to the Defenders, right? Looking at these covers, I'm amazed at how many times Clint as Goliath appears (Cap #116, IM #18, Hulk #128, Subby #35). I always forget he was in that role for a few years (1969-72)... it always seemed briefer to me.  EDIT: replaced cover image |
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 9, 2008 14:45:22 GMT -5
Whoo-hoo!! This is fun!  |
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Post by woodside on Jun 9, 2008 16:15:33 GMT -5
These are all truly awesome! That Captain Marvel one rox my sox!
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 9, 2008 16:20:34 GMT -5
I do love it ;D! Sal did some great covers, full of Marvel drama. The "Titans Three" was a kind of precursor to the Defenders, right? Yup, it sure was. However, IIRC, Roy had wanted to include the Surfer rather than Dr. Strange in the Defenders. But Stan really loved the Surfer and at that time had a rule against other people writing him, so Doc wound up being the cornerstone of the non-team. That didn't prevent Roy from sneaking the Surfer back into Defenders, but he never appeared regularly. |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 9, 2008 20:48:22 GMT -5
Yup, it sure was. However, IIRC, Roy had wanted to include the Surfer rather than Dr. Strange in the Defenders. But Stan really loved the Surfer and at that time had a rule against other people writing him, so Doc wound up being the cornerstone of the non-team. That didn't prevent Roy from sneaking the Surfer back into Defenders, but he never appeared regularly. Right, the reader response to the trio in Subby #35 had been overwhelmingly positive, so Roy pitched such a team book to Stan. As you state, Stan didn't want anyone else (but the Man himself) to write the Surfer--so Roy went to Plan B (which could be said to have its roots in an earlier crossover comprising Dr. Strange #183, Subby #22, and Hulk #126). You know, Stan's possessiveness of a character he didn't even (IMO) create has always astonished me (I've mentioned my views on this in threads as varied as "Steven Grant on Avengers" and the more recent "FF Covers"). Anyway, on his website Englehart says he asked Stan for permission to use the Surfer (in the Defenders) and that Stan graciously consented; but to me, his "allowing" Roy and Englehart to use the Surfer so liberally in the Defenders is a little less generous than it appears at first. By mid-late 1972, Stan had succeeded Goodman as publisher of Marvel and he was no longer writing on a regular basis. Naturally, he wanted to keep the Surfer (who didn't have a book of his own at this point) in the public eye...so it was not entirely selfless of canny ol' Stan to relax his edict and permit Roy and Steve to use the Surfer in the series, even if on an irregular basis. How about this? Byrne pencils... (I got the scans from the Grand Comics Database -- the second cover is merely to show the price variation). I've been meaning to ask this for a while--what prompted the price variation? |
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 9, 2008 21:09:11 GMT -5
How about this? Byrne pencils... (I got the scans from the Grand Comics Database -- the second cover is merely to show the price variation). I've been meaning to ask this for a while--what prompted the price variation? I couldn't say the specific reason, but I do know that during the periods when it went from a quarter to 30 cents and then again obviously from 30 cents to 35 cents there were variations in price. In fact, the Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide sometimes even lists different prices depending on the level of distribution of a given price. |
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 10, 2008 13:03:19 GMT -5
Here is another late '70's example of Gil Kane's cover work at Marvel. Man, how come the Avengers are always getting or have gotten their butts kicked on these covers??  |
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Geez, when will people ever learn to stop tampering with the classics? 
