Post by Doctor Doom on Oct 11, 2007 16:37:16 GMT -5
World War Hulk was advertised as mindless, smashing fun.
It ended up being mindless, smashing... boredom. The first issue rocked. The second was poor. The third average. The fourth more poor again.
It's pretty clear it's going to leave absolutely no effects on Marvel continuity outside Hulk's own title. It's thus far featured Hulk making several ridiculous wins, all of them with giant, convenient "out"s for the losing character, and has destroyed any actual respect I had left for the Sentry. It's featured Hulk acting blatantly psychotic and monstrous (He's making men fight to the death in an arena for his amusement while their pleading family are forced to watch on.)
It's provided some inadvertent humour though, my favourite moment being when Hulk uses his devices to force one hero to beat down another before his family and be on the verge of killing him, while the hero screams and tries to stop, and then Hulk proclaims "Well, well. Guess we're all monsters now." I thnk it was supposed to be meaningful, for me personally it was hilarious as it's like saying "Well, well, guess we're all monsters when I hijack all your free will and turn you into a psychotic killer you have no wish to be because you can do nothing about it."
That aside, it's not over, and Hulk's about to fight Sentry. Oh, and he's killed no one yet. Technically. Although the last issue ended with him pronouncing a death sentence on Iron Man and about to force Mr Fantastic to kill him before a bloodthirsty crowd including Sue, Ben and Johnny. Interestingly, some Hulk fans are arguing that the devices he's implanting them with don't hijack free will, just cause pain if you disobey. If so, then this series represents the worst mischraacterization of any number of heroes- but ESPECIALLY Ben Grimm- I have ever read.
Whether you liked it or not, there's no arguing that Civil War changed the Marvel Universe significantly, and in that sense it kind of set the bar for events that follow. They will, at least for the next several years (or until something tops it) be compared to Civil War in terms of their scope and impact.
It sounds like WWH will fall far short.
I might have agreed with the Hulk if he'd packed the Illuminati into a spaceship and marooned them somewhere. That, after all, is what they did to him. But forcing them to beat each other senseless or commit murder? That's the kind of thing I'd expect from the Thunderbolts or Gyrich.
You're not even reading this book, so how the hell would you know if they were?
Um, you did read the previous posts right? He just got a rundown of WWH so far. So you're saying forcing heroes to fight each other to the death is a fun innocent thing? The Hulk is just another charcter to get dragged through the mud for some extra $$$. Marvel is tearing its icons to shreds for short term profits and apparently to satiate the bloodlust of younger readers.
Post by Doctor Doom on Oct 12, 2007 10:31:00 GMT -5
I'm curious Doom. How did Sentry lose your respect when he hasn't shown up to fight Hulk yet?
Because I've just watched for four issues as he sat on his ass and did absolutely nothing while other heroes were being beaten to crap, despite personal pleas from the President and others. He ONLY shifted himself when Hulk actually was about to kill somebody, despite dire situations before. And his reason for not moving? Was it some deep reason? Was it his old friendship with Hulk? Was it fear of turning to Void?
Nope, it was agorophobia.
Lesson learnt, I guess, Never EVER rely on Sentry.
What happened to this event? It was SO good in issue one and then it... fell apart. Another horrible part was Doctor Strange. Apparantly, once his hands were crushed, he had absolutely NO other option but to summon a colossal cosmic demon with the power to destroy the UNIVERSE and channel it. Nope, no other option at all. (For anyone curious, he basically beat on Hulk for a while, then Hulk beat the crap out of him until the demon... er... went... away. Or something.)
Yeah at this point I am regretting my decision to follow this event at all.
I can only take comfort in that I have avoided getting every title associated with it, and only getting Incredible Hulk, WWH, and She-Hulk... and avoiding WWH:Frontline and other crossover editions of books I don't normally get.
Post by Bored Yesterday on Oct 16, 2007 10:14:16 GMT -5
When the writers take the characters so far off track from what I expect, they're no longer the characters I care to read about. Marvel can do what it wants with its properties. The characters will live forever in the hearts of fans and the back issue bin.