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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 7, 2007 17:07:20 GMT -5
I looked and didn't see many references to this event.
I know this is hardly an Avengers related topic and it can only be very loosely tied to the Avengers in any way, but I wondered if anyone read and/enjoyed this series.
What are your thoughts?
I liked the build up and the progression of it. Overall I enjoyed it. I felt at first there were some things left up in the air but then they tied up most of those things in the 2 heralds books.
The only thing I didn't like was the negative zone folks being given all those planets in the end. It seems like they should've been forced back into the zone.
Speaking of the Zone what happens when baby annihilus goes back home and finds our new prison colony there?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 7, 2007 17:11:41 GMT -5
Gah, my feelings are mixed.
The Nova lead-in was brilliant, the other three varied between very poor and mediocre. The main series itself was a mixed bag- pretty good until 6, but 6 was a rubbish conclusion. It wasn't even a real conclusion, it was "Hey! Look Isn't Galactus AWESOME? Isn't Nova BETTER?" Never mind that the Big G's actions clearly direly shifted the cosmic balance or that we never got resolution on the beings who took him down. Then we have the generic Annihilus vs Nova which is completely undercut at the end of the issue.
There are things I like, like making the Surfer herald again and Ronan's fate, but they're outweighed by the things I didn't, like poor writing and the pointless killing of Quasar to try and prove Annihilus as a threat. And at the end of the day, there weren't many changes which will actually impact books.
I give it a C+ or B-.
Yes, that's right.
I actually rated a Nu Marvel fairly important book fairly lowly.
Weep for me. Is this the death of innocence?
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 7, 2007 18:52:23 GMT -5
we never got resolution on the beings who took him down. That is dealt with in Heralds issue 2. |
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Post by uberwolf on Apr 7, 2007 21:13:36 GMT -5
Weep for me. Is this the death of innocence?  |
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Post by thew40 on Apr 7, 2007 21:14:31 GMT -5
I'll be picking this up as the trades come out.
~W~
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 7, 2007 22:26:05 GMT -5
Hated that Quasar died; he was one of my favorite avengers.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 8, 2007 4:48:22 GMT -5
we never got resolution on the beings who took him down. That is dealt with in Heralds issue 2. Now for me that's one of those things that irritates me about stories like this; when they leave ENORMOUS, GIANT plot holes to be resolved in other epilogue books. I felt CW did a good job of wrapping up all the plots except Spidey's which didn't have a wrap-up, but to leave such huge plot threads for other books seems just negligent to me. |
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 8, 2007 7:26:08 GMT -5
It was just a 2 issue junket, but I agree with you about this point in the Annihilation series. I was just like you in asking what happened to Galactus' captors.
As for the CW reference, they left huge holes as well though. That's what the initiative and Fallen Son is all about.
Again I point out, whether we like to ackowledge this or not, Marvel is a buisiness, they want to make money. It doesn't justify what is going on, but one way they are making money is by NOT tying up loose ends. Because they know they have suckers like me on the line who just have to know what will happen next.
Unfortunately I think it may backfire on them.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 8, 2007 8:04:10 GMT -5
That's not true Nutcase. Fallen Son addresses the fallout of Cap 25, not the main civil war story, and the Initative isn't wrapping up leftover plot points, it's continuing with the status wuo left in CW7!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 8, 2007 8:46:24 GMT -5
some of us see those things as plot thread left un-addressed as a direct cause of the Civil War
Also Reed and Sues relationship- plot thread
Wakanda/ US relations- plot thread
Do ninjas have to register- plot thread
Government involvement in Super buisiness- plot thread
Just because YOU don't believe they are unresolved threads, does not mean that they aren't. To many of US they are.
I'm not saying that is a bad thing. I'm just saying unresolved plot threads are a buisiness model for driving sales with Marvel.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 8, 2007 8:49:51 GMT -5
that being said, I DO wish that they could just put out a story that doesn't need 15 titles supporting it.
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 8, 2007 11:59:06 GMT -5
that being said, I DO wish that they could just put out a story that doesn't need 15 titles supporting it. Thank you!!! |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 8, 2007 13:19:55 GMT -5
For the most part, I stayed away from the “Annihilation” event. Too much Giffen. Giffen often writes on characters and themes I like, but I generally dislike his actual writing—the dialogue in particular is often awkward, to me.
I did read and enjoy Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus #1, which had no Keith Giffen. Well, the lead story with Terrax and Paibok was lackluster, but I dug the origin-of-Stardust backup.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 8, 2007 13:43:00 GMT -5
some of us see those things as plot thread left un-addressed as a direct cause of the Civil War Also Reed and Sues relationship- plot thread A plot thread resolved in civil war 7. Solely a Black Panther plot thread. Not mentioned in the main series ergo not dealt with in the main series. Resolved when Black Widow took the field  Oh come on! Civil War resolved all the major plot thrads of the crossover itself while setting up the status quo, and that is part of said status wuo. There were no gaping bits where you went "Well where did... X go..." or "Well why did Y happen again?" Annihilation was choc full of 'em. Had we never seen Reed and Sue after the battle in civil war 7, had Spider-Man vanished after civil war 6, had the Punisher joined in 5, been in the Baxter Buiolding raid and then never showed up again- these would all have been huge plot threads unresolved. But they didn't happen. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 8, 2007 15:53:54 GMT -5
...THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.
Take him to see FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer this summer! That should convert him! If not, I demand you read to him Secret Wars or the Galactus follow-up from... d**n, it eludes me but circa %% 60, repeatedly until the knowledge of Doom's supre,acy is drilled into his brain!
And always remember: Doom has NEVER lost a battle, that's what Doom has Doombots for!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 8, 2007 16:05:47 GMT -5
1 if Reed and Sues relationship issues were tied up in civil war, why are they still having to leave their team to work out those same issues. This is a plot thread that will continue to come up for some time. so NOT RESOLVED
2. The Black Panther thing wasn't part of the run?!?!? You're kidding right? The Wakandan Embassy got blown up directly involved with the War. During the battle. The international stress increased directly in relation to BP's stance, in the war. Thats related and again, not resolved.
3. OK on the Widow, and as far as I'm concerned they can start throwing the millions of un-registered ninjas in jail at any time.
4. The Government invovement thing is a continuing unresolved plotline established WAY before the civil war. So it is still an unresolved thread
So again, just because you are satisfied does not mean that everyone else is or even should be.
I would even be willing to bet that the writers themselves would label these plot devices as unresolved plot threads. I'm not saying they're bad, I'm just saying they are a constant tool used by writers in most of these books. That's how they keep folks coming back.
Now, since we disagree, you see resolution and I don't, that's OK too. We don't have to agree. I still luv ya. But this has already turned into an "I'm right, no I'm right kinda thing" So I'm gonna let it go now.
You wanna debate go ahead. But I doubt either of us change our opinion.
Back to the original thread tho' if you want to get resolution on Galactus' foes, take a look at Heralds #2. It's really not a bad book.
Also Doomsie, I got bad news for you. My son has moved you to #2 favorite bad guy. He likes Doc Oc best now. Sorry bout' that, I tried to raise him right, but oh well.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 8, 2007 16:07:00 GMT -5
Will Doom get much play in the movie?
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 8, 2007 19:00:26 GMT -5
Once again, I find myself agreeing with Doom (HELPPP...!!!). I mean, I like Doc Oc and all but, Doctor Doom he's not...! One has only to look at Secret wars to see who is the master of the two...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 8, 2007 19:39:54 GMT -5
Believe me,.. I told my son he is bringing shame on the family, but all he did was start looking at the Lizard.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 5:43:34 GMT -5
Will Doom get much play in the movie? Are you-?? HE STEALS. THE SILVER. SURFER'S. POWERS. .... HE RULES LATVERIA .... HE WEARS THE REAL DOOM COSTUME ... HE SCREAMS "RICHARDS" ... Okay, the last one was a guess, the secon d was indicated, the first and third are fact. PS: Er... anyone else noticing a wierd shifting of posts? Now Nutcase's is after my last so I'm replying to his point before he made it. ... ... ..DOOM IS PSYCHIC! |
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 9, 2007 8:36:50 GMT -5
Nutcase had trouble with the' quote' feature and tried to modify his post. Or so he tells me.
I hadn't seen much info on the movie, so I didn't know he did that stuff in the movie. I try to ignore movie trailers about movies I'm looking forward to so I can be surprised by content.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 16:56:06 GMT -5
Then ignore the entire above post |
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 9, 2007 17:25:09 GMT -5
lukily I'm forgetful. It's a spoiler immunity.
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Post by thew40 on Apr 13, 2007 20:51:24 GMT -5
I just picked up the "Annhililation - Book One" hardcover trade, which includes Drax # 1-4, Annhililation Prologue, and Nova # 1-4.
I've just finished reading Annhililation Prologue. I have to say, I'm finding this story to be really awesome. Very sweeping, epic and exciting. I loved seeing how the Annihilation Wave just goes out, blows the crap outta everything, then becomes a rumor, then blows crap up again, and so on and so on.
~W~
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 13, 2007 21:04:47 GMT -5
~W~ those lead-ins are all pretty good, in my opinion, I know there are those who didn't like some of it. Most of the story was very enjoyable as well.
How did you like the annihilation of the Nova corps? That was just brutal.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 15, 2007 6:53:40 GMT -5
I'm among those who didn't like it! Good prologue, then 3 poor lead-ins and one good one.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 15, 2007 14:42:16 GMT -5
for me it was the opposite. I liked 3 and was just OK with 1 of the run-ins.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 18, 2007 11:23:23 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, which one?
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 18, 2007 14:38:23 GMT -5
I enjoyed Ronan, Nova and Surfer. I only slightly enjoyed Skrull because the art was more difficult for me than the others.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 18, 2007 15:20:35 GMT -5
Personally I felt there have been more interesting issues of Meltzer's JLA than there were interesting moments in the Silver Surfer mini. And believe me, I read 3 entire issues of three people sitting around a table discussing picutres in Meltzer's JLA so I know boring  |
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