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Post by sharkar on Jun 5, 2007 23:00:50 GMT -5
Wow--good sleuthing, Tana...you're right, that's got to be the rough for that subscription-incentive (!) poster- -interesting to see the changes in the final product vis-a-vis the the character placement/poses. The earliest I see this poster is circa Avengers #128 (1974).
EDIT: just checked it out on ebay...the seller accurately places the sketch's timeframe in the early-to-mid 70s.
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 6, 2007 0:16:26 GMT -5
I remembered that poster because I always wanted it! But subscribing to all those books was just not gonna happen. How come I can remember obscure stuff like this, but not all the things I studied in college?!
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 6, 2007 6:47:14 GMT -5
Isn't that the way it goes??
The poster is on page 18 of issue #128, and on page 18 of issue #131, the two books cited in previous posts. For those of you without access to those books, the final poster is very close to the rough. However, the Hulk is in the lower right foreground and faces more toward the center; the FF are more together in the middle of the poster and Spidey swings overhead much like in the rough.
EDIT: The poster available to subscribers was in color, too, BTW.
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 6, 2007 9:50:16 GMT -5
Now if I had that poster, the Buscema New York Comic convention poster, and my old FOOM poster, I'd have a heck of a study! They could all sit on the wall along with this (which I do have out, and signed by Alex Ross):
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 6, 2007 14:18:05 GMT -5
That is framed on a wall in between an original Buscema FF page and the original art by Don Heck of the first appearance of the Living Laser (2/3 Goliath splash!).
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Post by sharkar on Jun 6, 2007 18:56:38 GMT -5
That is one glorious piece of art. Thanks for posting it, Tana!
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 6, 2007 23:43:11 GMT -5
That is framed on a wall in between an original Buscema FF page and the original art by Don Heck of the first appearance of the Living Laser (2/3 Goliath splash!). I am not surprised! The original art is nice though, I have always wanted to get some, but can't bring myself to pay the bucks necessary.
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 6, 2007 23:45:32 GMT -5
That is one glorious piece of art. Thanks for posting it, Tana! Yes, I really love that print. It combines my favorite all-time artist (Buscema) with one of my favorite new artists (Ross). The best thing is, it's clearly Buscema's work, but the painting makes it look so beautiful, and different from any other Buscema art I have seen. On another note, I wish Marvel could get Ross to do some more work for them. Something along the lines of DC's Justice would be great. But I heard he had some sort of problem with them. Not sure what though.
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 7, 2007 8:55:33 GMT -5
It's a really wonderful poster, Tana!
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 10, 2007 22:31:33 GMT -5
Recent readers of this thread might be interested to know that the Buscema rough I posted on the previous page just went off (6/10/07, 10:30 pm CST) on Ebay for $169.16. The seller's reserve price was not met... Wow.
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 11, 2007 18:38:25 GMT -5
Concerning Sal Buscema:
My "perfect vision" or most memorable moments of Sal always seem to appear in my head from the pages of Marvel Team-Up, Captain America, or the Defenders. However, after some summer reading from the Avengers DVD-ROM, I would like to heartily recommend Avengers #'s 69-71 to all of you. These issues contain a very good Kang story and include the Grandmaster, the introduction of the Squadron Sinister, and the Invaders. Buscema is inked by Sam Grainger, who does an excellent job. Perhaps it's because Sal is very John-like in this story, but I was just really floored by how detailed and overall beautiful his art was in this arc.
Of note, too, around these issues are Stan's Soapboxes apologizing for the price increase to 15 cents, announcing a movement to one-and-done stories (because Marveldom complained about long, continued stories), and then later back to longer arcs (because Marveldom complained about one-and-done stories)! In addition, one of the same Bullpen Bulletins announced the passing of George Klein (#70); it had been announced in #66 that he had recently wed after an 18-year engagement!!
Incidentally (can you tell I did a little reading this afternoon??), issues #'s 66-68 introduce adamantium to Marvel lore, first as an alloy created by a SHIELD scientist, and later as forged by Ultron into his Ultron-6 form.
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Post by von Bek on Jun 13, 2007 9:42:42 GMT -5
From Alter Ego 42, the male Avengers at the time Big John began as the book’s regular artist.
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 13, 2007 9:58:03 GMT -5
An exalt for you, my friend -- that image will be saved on my "Buscema sketchbook" file. A few years ago I started to print sketches, roughs, and original pages that were for sale on Ebay. As that became too cumbersome, I decided to just save to a flashdrive. I now have a John Buscema art gallery of several hundred images. Thanks for your contribution!!
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 21, 2007 9:35:54 GMT -5
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 21, 2007 12:21:25 GMT -5
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 21, 2007 22:04:17 GMT -5
I'd heard about the Kirby book before. Can't wait to get it.
Doug, did you get that John Romita Jr book from Twomorrows? If so, would you recommend it?
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 22, 2007 7:38:13 GMT -5
No, the new book, out now, is about John, Sr. I haven't bought it yet -- I'd like to pick it up, as well as the new one about Joe Sinnott.
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 22, 2007 9:18:50 GMT -5
How about this Big John offering??
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 22, 2007 22:38:57 GMT -5
No, the new book, out now, is about John, Sr. I haven't bought it yet -- I'd like to pick it up, as well as the new one about Joe Sinnott. Ugh! I meant Sr, not Jr! I was trying to get that message out quickly. I believe the cover of the book is slightly modified from the self-portrait Romita did back in the sixties for that set of artist self -portraits available from Marvel - I recall Sharkar mentioning them awhile back.
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 22, 2007 22:42:58 GMT -5
That's a great Conan sketch. I recall reading an interview with him not too long before he passed away, conducted by Roy Thomas. Buscema came across as somewhat disinterested, even grumpy! He couldn't recall much about most of the superhero work he did, but really seemed to love Conan.
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Post by sharkar on Jun 22, 2007 23:13:45 GMT -5
I believe the cover of the book is slightly modified from the self-portrait Romita did back in the sixties for that set of artist self -portraits available from Marvel - I recall Sharkar mentioning them awhile back. I was just going to post about that! I notice that on the book's cover, JR is now depicted with glasses (not in the b&w poster)...but the portrait of Stan looks as youthful as ever! Those b&w posters were something. The Buscema poster has also been used as the cover for an Alter Ego cover spotlighting his work, and I've seen that Kirby poster used on some covers, too. Looking forward to buying the Romita, Sinnott and Kirby books. edit: added Tananile's post
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 25, 2007 9:12:39 GMT -5
Congrats to sharkar, and to Tana, for the 200th post in this thread!! To the best of my knowledge, this is the first thread on the boards to get to that milestone!
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jun 27, 2007 20:34:58 GMT -5
Congrats to sharkar, and to Tana, for the 200th post in this thread!! To the best of my knowledge, this is the first thread on the boards to get to that milestone! And I wish to extend congratulations to all the rest of the contributors who made this milestone possible—including me! ;D
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Jun 28, 2007 7:59:40 GMT -5
That Conan sketch is LIKE WOW! You've mentioned your small collection of con sketches and other memorabilia before -- but that Conan sketch is a real plum.
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 28, 2007 8:29:46 GMT -5
That was actually an Ebay offering. I do have a pencil/partially inked sketch of the Big Cimmerian, but it is not quite as cool as the photo above. Very cool, just not THAT cool...
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Post by sharkar on Jul 11, 2007 17:20:42 GMT -5
Has anyone ever seen the documentary on Roy Lichtenstein that is shown on the Ovation channel? It's shown several times a year. As you may know, he's the artist who uses comic book panels as the basis for his paintings. He was a prominent figure in the pop art explosion in the 1960s. Throughout the documentary it's clear he looks down on comic book art and is satirizing that art by taking it out of context. What's not mentioned in this documentary is that Lichtenstein served under Irv Novick in the army. I just came across this fact while re-reading Les Daniels' book DC Comics: Sixty Years of the World's Favorite Comic Book Heroes, which contains a two page section on comics' influence on 1960s Pop Art: "Of particular interest to Lichtenstein was artist Irv Novick, who had been Lichtenstein's superior officer in an army unit assigned in 1947 to create posters, signs and other artistic ephemera of military life. Fifteen years later, Novick was a journeyman comic book artist on DC titles like All-American Men of War, and the panels he drew were providing fodder for Lichtenstein paintings that would eventually sell for millions of dollars apiece." When I read this I was somewhat surprised that Daniels referred to Novick as a "journeyman." Seems kind of harsh to me. I know Novick was not a marquee penciler, but he was a part of the revitalization of books like Batman,Flash, Lois Lane, etc. in the late 60s. I always liked his work, especially when inked by Giordano.
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 12, 2007 15:54:46 GMT -5
VERY serviceable, yes.
By the way, I have ordered the Sinnott book, and will comment on it after it arrives!
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Post by sharkar on Jul 12, 2007 16:51:10 GMT -5
;D Looking forward to your review--and the book itself (which I shall order soon). In the meantime I am enjoying Joe's work by re-reading various Essentials: Cap vols. 1-3 (Joe inks over Kirby, Steranko, Romita, Colan), FF vol. 6 (Joe and J. Buscema--what a combo)...and Thor vol. 1, which contains some Sinnott pencils. The man sure was prolific! EDIT: closed up some spaces...
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Post by Tana Nile on Jul 12, 2007 21:17:37 GMT -5
I'll be heading to the San Diego Comic Con in less than 2 weeks, and I've started putting together my list. Of course I will stop at the Twomorrows booth, and probably pick up the Romita book, and maybe a few others. Any of you silver age buffs have any other book suggestions for me?
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 12, 2007 22:50:33 GMT -5
I am considering some of the "Marvel Visionaries" hardcovers for next month's WizardWorld Chicago. In particular, the John Buscema (surprised?), Roy Thomas, and the two Kirby volumes are enticing to me. I am also interested in the Frank Miller DD Omnibus, as well as the Silver Surfer Omnibus -- both volumes would represent just great art/storytelling for me!
And, I may pull the trigger on the Cap DVD-ROM...
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