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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 26, 2007 22:56:52 GMT -5
I just re-read this series and was about to do my review, but I can't.
I went into all those other reviews non-biased. I cannot do the same here. Most of you know I'm a huge Panther fan so I cannot do an unbiased review of this series.
So I would like to ask someone else to review this for us.
Do it in whatever manner you see fit. The only thing I ask, is if you are a Panther hater, please refrain for the same reason I did.
Any takers?
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 13:36:01 GMT -5
Since nobody took me up on this I'm gonna go ahead. There are a few things I want to say before I get into this one though.
This run really deals strongly with the political side of the Civil War. It brought out some emotional opinions out of me. For my fellow Americans on this board, I am a very proud American. I served both my country and my local community proudly. I have some rather strong disagreements with our government. This will come out in this review. Just be warned.
Here we go
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 13:50:45 GMT -5
This tie-in covers issues 22 - 25
issue #22- As we come to this issue Panther and Storm are arriving in America for a visit to the White House after just finishing their visits to other world leaders. we constantly see some high level government official in the shadows throughout the series. We see a bries talk with Captain britain. The rest of the issue deals with their visit to the White House.
Things I liked: The meeting between Panther and Capt Britain shows that the Panther can disagree with others and not harbor hard feelings. Captain Britain asks for the Ebony Blade, and T'challa's answer The compare and contrast of the two separate news reports. Same scene opposite views. Panther won't ride "They pissed him off that fast" Sentinel down "My name is Jim Rhodes...and I'm a fool" Tchalla gets medieval Iron Man underestimates the King of Wakanda Iron Man gets some air Jim Rhodes- Blessed is the peacemaker
Things I didn't like: (I've explained this before, this isn't bashing the wrters, unless I specifically state. These are usually well written things that bring up negative emotions.) The American official writing off Panther's humanitarian efforts as an effort to make America look bad. X-Men staying holed up Playing American politics with the visiting royalty. Pro-Panther people wanting to kill Jim Rhodes Iron Man endangering people to make a point with T'challa
For the opening shot we see how manipulative the American governmaent can be with people who do not agree with it's wants, or rather individuals within the government. We see Iron Man not willing to listen to T'challa, and to be fair T'challa not willing to listen to Iron Man. There was one opportunity for conversation and political games ruined it. This was a good set-up and it was GREAT to see Iron Man get opened up like a tin can, even thou it wasn't really him.
Overall rating: 8 Loonies out of 10
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 14:01:39 GMT -5
issue #23-
This one really is the equivalent of politcal campaigning. Not much action, just a little background and a lot of conversation.
Things I liked: T'challa pays his respects Bill's family on the news "Have I told you lately that I love you" Panther gets reminded where his loyalties SHOULD lie "fifteen miles in the New York sewer" "I would never fight a woman. I have people for that" Panther armor The King of Wakanda takes a side Things I didn't like: Washington spin doctors trying to find a way to make Bill look bad so they won't (very believable) The spin Zone Black Panthers body guards are good, but I don't think 2 of them should've been enough to take the Black Widow Steve knows T'challa. The level of paranoia that would make him automatically attack is a little thin. The big guns
we see a lot more of the political posturing and manuvering in this issue. Not much action and half the action present wasn't really needed.
Overall I rate this 6 Loonies out of 10
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 27, 2007 14:05:04 GMT -5
I can't review this in an unbiased manner either because Black Panther was among the most anti-reg biased titles of the war early on, though the comics themselves were good unlike say Frontline or New Avengers.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 14:12:29 GMT -5
issue #24-
This issue is mostly just a build-up to the last issue. More attempts at conversation and preparation. Things I liked: Storm and Iron Man have a talk "am I supposed to have sympathy for a sentinel?" "civilized?" get out of Wakanda Tony "If the Panther shows up?" "You'll never know it. He's too good." T'challa conducts some interviews "are you sniffing me?" Tigra smells Ororo visits family "I AM NO MYTH!" "good thing you weren't trying to be disrespectful" Ororo and Reed actually talk
Things I didn't like: Iron Man came to talk. It would've been a good chance to ease some silliness. Even Cap talked to Iron Man American war games off the coast to try to intimidate (been there, done that, too believable) for an issue that was so free of action this was enjoyable to me. I liked the positioning of the players. I liked that Reed talks to Ororo. This issue really sets up the last issue.
I rate this : 7 Loonies out of 10
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 14:23:35 GMT -5
issue #25-
This is the final issue of this series. Really good background scenes of the final battle of the Civil War.
Things I liked: Reed and Storm can have a civil disagreement without going after each other. Truly in character for both. T'challa is smart enough to evac the embassy Panther giving fighting tips. "Sellout" the 'good guys' are even scared when Clor re-takes the field Storm vs. Clor the embassy proves not to be completely defenseless "You're my husbands abomination...and I'm here to abort you!" Hercules cuts in on the dance Sue and Storm, front row center Things I didn't like: Iron Man shooting Monica in the back of the head Iron Man asking if the embassy being blown up could be considered an act of war and Panther confirming it. I gotta rula against my boy here. Panther was legally a foreign national aiding in insurrection, also having aken aggresion against this country on her own soil, this was the initial act of war. "We're on our own"
This issue is great if only for adding more depth to the final battle of the War and the background to the Clor/herc fight.It moves very well.
I liked the tone and action the rating is: 10 Loonies out of 10
next the wrap-up l
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 14:33:02 GMT -5
wrap-up to the Black Panther tie-in
This was a great tie in for me on several levels because of how much truth it addresses.
Black Panther- There have been a few who have talked about Panther being strictly Pro-Black. This is inaccurate. He is the proud leader of a foreign nation that happens to be black. We see several things about the Panther. We see his divided loyalties between his friends and his duties as a leader. We also get to see his skill as a fighter and a leader.
Storm- We get to see her coming into her own as a Queen, not just being the King's wife.
America- we get to see exactly what America does in conflicts with other Nations. We've seen first hand how our government manipulates situations to reach its own ends. I think this series mirrors this tendance quite well.
Wakanda- The nation of Wakanda i suffering in the leadership area because of the choices of her king. We see the behind the scenes politicing that even they are not above.
All of these ingredients really strongly underlines the political component of the Civil War, which is an important aspect of this story.
Overall relevance to the Civil War story on a scale of 1 to 10 9
Overall average review 7.75 Loonies out of 10
good job
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 27, 2007 14:34:03 GMT -5
Good stuff Nutcase!
...Am I blatantly posting to show off my shiny new avvy,courtesy of SHH?
Yes I believe I am!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 15:11:31 GMT -5
Doom, you show that off all you want,... it is tooooo cool.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 27, 2007 15:29:15 GMT -5
I completely agree and fully intend to
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