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Post by Shiryu on Sept 15, 2006 10:51:07 GMT -5
Some of you have probably seen this already, but I will post it anyway for the others: "Civil War #5 Featuring villains, villains, villains! Sides change and chaos reigns as the evildoers of the Marvel Universe make their presence felt in a new and shocking way! But when the underworld gets involved, can the Punisher be far behind?" Cover: www.immortalthor.net/coming_september-civilwar-5.jpg |
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 15, 2006 10:54:05 GMT -5
Ugh -- the ugly Green Goblin. Not that Norman Osborn's a looker, but I hate that suit.
But again, since I stopped reading Spidey books back when Marvel drove me out with the clone saga (I still heartily recommend the tpb of the 1st and best clone saga!!), I don't even know who this Goblin is supposed to be...
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 15, 2006 10:56:17 GMT -5
I think it's still Norman, with the costume he recently had in Marvel Knights Spider Man. No proof of it yet of course.
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Post by thew40 on Sept 15, 2006 11:18:15 GMT -5
It probably is, based on his appearance in "Civil War: Frontline."
Not to mention that Mark Millar wrote the first 12 issues of Marvel Knights Spider-Man. I actually prefer the new over the old one. Better than the one from the movie . . .
~W~
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 15, 2006 11:32:35 GMT -5
Clearly Millar is respecting continuity and using the new Venom.
Good thing too, the first one became a jokeo f a villain in the 90s.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 15, 2006 12:19:08 GMT -5
New Venom? I am out of the loop...
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 15, 2006 13:28:06 GMT -5
Realising that Venom these days was about as scary as Aunt May losing her medication for the 100535464th time, Millar in his MK: Spider-Man run had Brock (who has cancer) auction the symbiote off. It ended up with Mac Gargan, the 'Scorpion', who subsequently was told by Norman Osborne of Spidey's secret identity and kidnapped his aunt for a couplea months. He had, it seemed, built up ENORMOUS hatred and whatnot for Spidey after years of being B-list.
Venom then battled Spidey across New York, resisting every punch Spidey threw and tearing down buildings with the symbiote, before being downed when Spidey pulled ane entire warehouse down on top of him.
Basically, while no force on Earth can make Venom scary again, Millar made him seem like a threat again. (No ridiculius 'eat your brains' ,or even plural-speak) He did the same with the Goblin, even though all that work has been ruined and undone as Jenkins writes the most OOC Osborne I have ever seen over in Frontline.
Still, Millar's Goblin and Venom were both fantastic so I look forward to CW5.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 15, 2006 13:41:17 GMT -5
I half agree with you there.
While I enjoyed a new Venom, I would have preferred him to be a new guy altogether (kind of like Doomsday was for Superman or Bane for Batman when the first one died and the second had his back brocken). MacGargan should have stayed the Scorpion
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 15, 2006 13:45:52 GMT -5
Interesting thought, Shiryu. Of course, we had a 'new' guy (he had been seen before but not in any real super-villain capacity) as Venom just pre-Gargan, though he was killed. Personally though, I liked the idea of Scorpion-Venom, because not only did it give him a ready-made anger and reason to hate Spider-Man, but it took a lame B-list villain and made him a huge threat to Spider-Man again, and I enjoyed wtaching that in action. Let's face it, I never thought I'd see the day where Mac Gargan alone posed a significent threat to the webhead. (Of course, it was helped by the excellent Gargan work in that story when he WASN'T Venom. Spider-Man could theoretically smash him with ease, but Gargan had a mental stranglehold on him. And of course, Venom's tauntings that Aunt May was about to die, and so was Mary Jane. And the supreme irony of that Mark Millar-written story was the line given to Scorpion: "Why don't yuo just go and announce your identity on National TV?"  |
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 15, 2006 13:58:30 GMT -5
Mac Gargan in the hands of JM DeMatteis would have been as good as was Kraven. Writers should take the time to tell the tale that needs to be told, not beat around the bush.
See, I've been one to vociferously criticize Bendis' handling of NA, largely because he doesn't delve into anyone's personal demons -- but when he does, it is such a long, drawn-out affair that retcons half of the MU that I a) lose interest and b) get mad when what I knew to be true is just chucked out the window. Make me care (see Kraven's Last Hunt)!
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 15, 2006 13:58:37 GMT -5
True, Miller's work on Gargan was really interesting there, he looked almost like a Norman Osborn - level threath.
What I fear though is that some other writer will soon turn him into a wimp who becomes afraid of the symbiote and rejects him, going back to his Scorpion identity. That's why I would have liked a new guy, somehow I think he would have been more likely to stay if depicted as someone tough enough
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Post by jacksquat on Oct 14, 2006 10:14:23 GMT -5
Finally got to read Civil War #4. With all this delay on Civil War, when does issue 5 come out?
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Post by The Night Phantom on Oct 14, 2006 13:04:50 GMT -5
Finally got to read Civil War #4. With all this delay on Civil War, when does issue 5 come out? , November 15. |
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Post by jacksquat on Oct 14, 2006 15:53:15 GMT -5
Okay, thanks.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Oct 14, 2006 16:54:41 GMT -5
You’re welcome, Jack. Who says this isn’t the Merry Marvel Age of Dutifully Doling Out Delayed-Due-Date Data?!! Excelsior!
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