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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 8, 2006 18:45:26 GMT -5
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Post by Ultron on Sept 8, 2006 23:51:05 GMT -5
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Post by Ultron on Sept 8, 2006 23:56:11 GMT -5
I'm reading the discussion board to the newsbit, and i have to agree with them, how misscharacterized are Captain America and Thor? How can you do so much misscharacterization on what pretty much amounts to 2 pages?
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 9, 2006 5:13:20 GMT -5
I'm reading the discussion board to the newsbit, and i have to agree with them, how misscharacterized are Captain America and Thor? How can you do so much misscharacterization on what pretty much amounts to 2 pages? Well…right from the top, I’ve not had any reason to believe that this is necessarily the Thor, and so I’m reserving judgement on his characterization for the time being. As for Cap, I agree the dialogue is out of character, but it wouldn’t be the first time Civil War has given him soulless cookie-cutter macho action-hero speech balloons. Broadly, I feel a few (at least) of the characters have been out of character throughout this series; and I’m not familiar enough with Millar’s work to be sure whether this is a failure of the writing and/or editing or it’s a sign that things are not as they appear (mind control, imposture, infiltration, etc.). |
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Post by Ultron on Sept 9, 2006 5:28:29 GMT -5
Seems as though Millar is channeling "Ultimate Cap", since that's exactly how he beahaves.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 9, 2006 5:47:09 GMT -5
Seems as though Millar is channeling "Ultimate Cap", since that's exactly how he beahaves. Entirely possible…I don’t read the “Ultimate” line, and so I couldn’t say. I tend to think the classic Marvel Universe is the ultimate. Perhaps folks like Millar and Bendis do too, but not in the same way I do. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 9, 2006 6:31:41 GMT -5
Well, you can't, hence there being a strong LACK of mischaracterization in those 2 pages.
Cap has one line, we have no idea who it's to, or in what context, and people claim it's out of character? So was it ridiculously out of character when Cap told Kang "Alright, you miserable jacked up little tin Hitler- let's end this?" I don't understand... I'm reading about the same Cap I always have, as my favourite Marvel hero, perfectly written as a more hardline version of the Cap we know and love- and rightfully so, since he WOULD get more hardline as a result of what has happened... and other people are describing woeful out of character-ness which I can't see in existence.
Same with Thor- he had ONE line, we have no idea the context... and he's suddenly 'out of character'
No offence to any poster here, but NONE of you can predict what the mindst would be of a THUNDER GOD who
-'Died' for over a year
-Was responsible for the death and destruction of his ENTIRE group of friends, family, kingdom and all he held dear
-Returned to find his other old friends ripping each other to shrdds
-Returned to find THREE of his good friends have been KILLED, and another two are nuts/evil
Now unless you are certain you know exactly how someone would react in those EXTRAORDINARY circumstances, there is no way any poster here can say for certain what would be 'out of character' for a Thor who had undergone that. Myself I'd say it would be highly OOC if he showed up the same as always.
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Post by Ultron on Sept 9, 2006 23:14:17 GMT -5
So a company posts what's clearly hype to make people (they thought) enjoy their product, and as soon as people react to the complete oposite by not enjoying it, they can't? Thanks for telling what we can't do, but i'm pretty sure we'll keep doing it any way - First ammendment rights and all |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 10, 2006 4:26:25 GMT -5
Ah yes, forgive my mis-statement. You CAN predict. You CANNOT realistically and accurately predict exactly what would happen to a Thunder God who was put through what I listed above. It's impossible, you just can't do it. You can have a guess, you can try, but in the end if someone else has a different interpretation, they're just as right as you are, no matter how radically different.
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Post by balok on Sept 10, 2006 21:25:29 GMT -5
It's hard for me to understand why Thor would come down on the government's side in this. It's hard for me to understand why most of the major players here are behaving as if personal liberties matter not at all. Which is why I think this is either a case of really bad writing, and the end of the miniseries will be a colossal disappointment, or it is the case that something is going on that has not yet been revealed at all. Like magical mind control or something.
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Post by thew40 on Sept 12, 2006 3:15:56 GMT -5
I think everything with Thor is a lot deeper than what we're seeing. I think it's possible he's being mind-controlled or something like that.
~W~
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 12, 2006 10:48:58 GMT -5
@balok. I disagree. I think the 'personal liberties' question is weak at best. I'm a liberal, I'm a deomcrat, I support Registration just as I support gun registration. Because it's the right thing. As for Thor... still don't see how anyone can realistically complain about whatt hey do not comprehend.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 13, 2006 14:39:33 GMT -5
Let's wait to read the whole issue before commenting.
As for the preview page, I don't like it, especially Cap's characterization, and I too think Thor's behaviour is a bit odd, after the level of wisdom he had reached at the end of Ragnarok, but one page is really not enough to say something.
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Post by balok on Sept 13, 2006 15:28:02 GMT -5
@balok. I disagree. I think the 'personal liberties' question is weak at best. I'm a liberal, I'm a deomcrat, I support Registration just as I support gun registration. Because it's the right thing. As for Thor... still don't see how anyone can realistically complain about whatt hey do not comprehend. I do not support gun registration, although I do support keeping firearms out of the hands of people known to be dangerous. I don't trust my government that much. The issue accompanying registration is the total loss of privacy for the individuals involved, and as well their virtual enslavement (they become "employees" of SHIELD and they cannot quit). I am not even sure a hero is permitted to "retire," that is, to refuse to help others should the need arise. As for Thor - point conceded, as it is too soon to fully understand the character's motivations. But I stand by my opinion, based on what I know now, that I will be very disappointed at the end of Civil War. This will occur either because it will turn on a twist that will be poorly handled, as happend with DC comics "Millenium" awhile back (one of the worst minis that company ever made). Or it will be because the Marvel Universe I loved will be gone for every, replaced by a superhero autocracy. The heroes for oppose registration aren't handling this well, at all. They need to try the case in the court of public opinion - get all the folks on their side who lives were saved or who know someone who was, and then explain that with the government acting as it has, that simply won't happen any longer. Get the people riled up and the government, at least for now, will back down. Yet none of them are doing this. I also hope Maria Hill falls off the helicarrier. I don't like the character even a little bit. End rant. |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 13, 2006 20:18:40 GMT -5
As for the preview page, I don't like it, especially Cap's characterization, and I too think Thor's behaviour is a bit odd, after the level of wisdom he had reached at the end of Ragnarok, but one page is really not enough to say something. There’s a good chance it’s not even one page. The article described the preview as “panels”: they may be from more than one page, and they may not be consecutive. |
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 15, 2006 10:55:10 GMT -5
A further reason to wait and see  |
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