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Post by Shiryu on Jun 26, 2006 6:41:33 GMT -5
I thought it would be interesting trying to guess how CW will evolve / resolve, just to see if someone's mind goes along the line of the writer's.
Reading around, I think that Thor will return during CW, and his arrival will somehow shift the battle in favor of Cap's side / put an end to the war.
Ideas anyone ?
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Post by Yellowjacket on Jun 26, 2006 9:12:09 GMT -5
There´s a big conflict on the horizon that has just started. I hope Millar can be (at least some of that) radical as in Ultimates. If he can, I see no "friendly" solution at the end. Surely sometime afterwards when Marvel puts out the next big crossover, but not at the end of CW.
Otherwise the whole thing would be ridiculous. So, I see a scenario with heroes banned from the USA (there´s much conflict potential between nations too) and staying underground. Again, I´d like to know what Dr. Doom will be doing about it.
At least the hype keeps it´s promise (nothing being the same anymore) with the outing in issue #2 - there are people in MU who can live without a secret identity and there are the ones who cannot...
One thing I see at the end of CW is a great misery for the most - many, many heroes won´t be happy with the consequences (maybe the US government though).
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Post by balok on Jun 27, 2006 17:13:32 GMT -5
I very much fear that it will be revealed that the major players are dancing to someone else's tune. And I fear that at the end of it some sort of cosmic reset button will be pressed.
I can't see them keeping, for example, Spider-Man's identity a publically known fact. It's too radical a departure from what has gone before.
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 28, 2006 6:31:52 GMT -5
I too think that Spidey's identity will become secret once more, but perhaps not in CW itself yet.
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Post by Yellowjacket on Jun 28, 2006 9:22:38 GMT -5
I think the question is, will they find a way for a plausible way of "existence" for a public known PP/SM? I´d say they would have to change the character radically -- I too have trouble believing that. Marvel won´t risk one of their cart horses.
So, I´d say they have to get rid (kill) the whole identity of Peter Parker and his whole social background. Then, in a new identity PP could be Spider-Man, but without any connections to his past. Maybe that way Marvel gets rid of Aunt May, once and for all. And didn´t they talk anyway about getting rid of MJ, too?
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Post by imperiusrex on Jun 28, 2006 9:28:56 GMT -5
I think the question is, will they find a way for a plausible way of "existence" for a public known PP/SM? I´d say they would have to change the character radically -- I too have trouble believing that. Marvel won´t risk one of their cart horses. So, I´d say they have to get rid (kill) the whole identity of Peter Parker and his whole social background. Then, in a new identity PP could be Spider-Man, but without any connections to his past. Maybe that way Marvel gets rid of Aunt May, once and for all. And didn´t they talk anyway about getting rid of MJ, too? bank on it, within a year or so, Mary Jane will be gone. civil war will end with a fractured super hero community. registration will likely be defeated; in fact it will very likely be a dead mary jane in pete's arms that makes a bunch of folks realize that an unmasked hero can never be safe. "I...I...unmasked because I thought it was the right thing to do...And now she's dead...because one of my enemies knew how to find me."
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Post by Yellowjacket on Jun 28, 2006 13:44:20 GMT -5
Yeah, it´s really nonsense for a character like SM, it simply will cannot do him any good. All the more Matt Murdock is a "wise" guy.
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Post by jkemble on Jun 29, 2006 10:44:31 GMT -5
"I...I...unmasked because I thought it was the right thing to do...And now she's dead...because one of my enemies knew how to find me." classic! still, my vote is the Beyonder sets things "right" like in the eighties...
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Post by tschamp on Jun 29, 2006 22:19:24 GMT -5
One. MJ will not be kill due the major backlash from fans. Plus, MJ death would have an effect on the casual or returning fan from seeing the Spiderman movies. Most likely, Captain America is killed.
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Post by Yellowjacket on Jun 30, 2006 0:46:54 GMT -5
Hm, I´m brooding about that.... No, I´d say rather kill her...
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 30, 2006 8:34:43 GMT -5
May be no one will get killed ;D Honestly, it would be a waste because we know that either would eventually return and their death would be pointless. I'd much rather have something different happening, just wonder what...
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Post by tschamp on Jun 30, 2006 14:09:03 GMT -5
All this talk about MJ in interview maybe a swerve. If I was written a book that has ending that would suprise people, I would put something out there that was just nothing but crap. Keep them guessing.
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Post by imperiusrex on Jun 30, 2006 16:00:00 GMT -5
One. MJ will not be kill due the major backlash from fans. Plus, MJ death would have an effect on the casual or returning fan from seeing the Spiderman movies. Most likely, Captain America is killed. really? a backlash? do you think that would happen? I don't read ultimate spidey, but is she in that book? if so, she'd still be "alive" in some form. and there are various other formats like their teen market books and movie adaptations that'd still feature MJ enough for the casual fan. marvel has proven they can have a totally incoherent universe where death is hardly a constant and it doesn't seem to affect the current fan base overmuch. Cap could be killed, but what of it? It would be pretty dramatic as a conclusion, but would swiftly prove more problematic. In the long run it doesn't solve their spiderman/mj problem and it paints them into a corner. cap just got killed, how could the superhuman community NOT pull together after that? he's the guiding light, the shining star, no bill could stand with his death and everybody would have to be on the same page. puts you right back to square one where everybody was on the same team ideologically. to have the conflict that marvel sees as the positive effect of this series, you'd have to have the two big guns, Cap and IM, still at odds when this is all over. Maybe MJ won't die, but something dramatic will happen that splits her and Pete in a very concrete way.
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Post by steed on Jul 3, 2006 14:43:25 GMT -5
I think they will kill MJ at the end of the Civil War. I understand they plan on killing her in the third movie.
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Post by steed on Jul 7, 2006 8:20:31 GMT -5
CAPTAIN AMERICA DIES? Yeah, maybe. Maybe when Mephistopheles and Hel co-hosts the next Winter Olympics.
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Post by jkemble on Jul 7, 2006 21:46:34 GMT -5
Summer 2007: Beyond Joe Q's dictates, Beyond the Bendis dome, Beyond reason... Be there June 2007 as Marvel hits the ultimate reset. Return of the Beyonder.
'nuff said.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 8, 2006 5:57:23 GMT -5
Now I am surprised ! I thought we had seen the last of the Beyonder... is "Secret Wars IV" on its way then ?
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Post by balok on Jul 8, 2006 16:28:38 GMT -5
I very much doubt they will kill Captain America. He's a Marvel icon.
They might kill Mary Jane, but if that happens it will have significant repercussions in the Spider-corner of the Marvel Universe. In particular, I think Spidey would become even more of a loner and extremely unlikely to ever trust other heroes.
Would there be fan outrage? Sure. But eventually they'd get over it. For Marvel to do this sort of controversial thing it must have weighed the facts and in its best judgement decided that higher sales would be the eventual outcome. We'll leave a determination of exactly how good Marvel's best judgement actually is as an exercise for the interested student.
I reiterate my opinion that someone is pulling strings here but I must point out that this is based on a general feeling that certain characters aren't acting "right" and that could just be poor writing. I do note, however, that SHIELD has been revealed to have employed a number of individuals with extraordinary abilities, and that the events of House of M mind-blinded the only individual who would be able to easily determine that psionic meddling was taking place, resist it and/or put a stop to it. My $0.02, of course and likely based on too few issues to be even close to reliable.
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Post by jkemble on Jul 8, 2006 21:52:54 GMT -5
Now I am surprised ! I thought we had seen the last of the Beyonder... is "Secret Wars IV" on its way then ? The Beyonder is already here. Unleashed when the Annihilation Wave tore into the Marvel U, Thanos sent one of his lackies searching for the corpse, and something happened. It was the female Beyonder (Beyonder remember transends gender.) Secret Wars 4 is on! only, it's not called Secret Wars 4, it's called Beyond, and even though we haven't seen the Beyonder yet, it is only issue #1. It is awful simular to the set up in Secret Wars 1. In fact, it's the same. The only person who could pull off impersinating the Beyonder, and maybe have motive, would be the Molicule Man. Hows that for sloppy spelling? peace!
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 10, 2006 6:42:32 GMT -5
Interesting, I didn't know any of this ! Now I can finally see why so many people were referring to a character that I thought long gone
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Post by jkemble on Jul 15, 2006 15:07:46 GMT -5
oh, wait, sorry, wrong question... The Beyonder is how Spider-Man retakes his secret identity, how will the civil war end? I think the Regestration Act will be deemed unconstitutional and nullified, but I think that there will still be mistrust among the "hero" community, leading to a new Avengers that is made up of both pro and con members, you know, to keep an eye on one anther and bring tension to the cast. That way Marvel can use that tension for years worths of stories, a new angle for all the writers.
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Post by thew40 on Jul 15, 2006 16:25:25 GMT -5
I don't think the Beyonder will have any part to play besides "Beyond" (which I'm assuming it like "Secret Wars 4").
I think we'll see a massive drop in costumed super-heroes and super-villians. I think that having so many people out there in costumes kinda ruins the speciality of having super-heroes and super-villians. My bet is we'll see a sort of "Decimation"-type event in which a lot of Marvel super-heroes and super-villians retire/die/are captured/quit.
I think the rift between Cap and Iron Man will be fixed up somewhat.
~W~
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Post by Van Plexico on Jul 15, 2006 23:54:18 GMT -5
Even with Alito on the Court?
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Post by balok on Aug 5, 2006 15:30:54 GMT -5
One way it might end: a master villain does something truly horrible and the government sanctioned heroes aren't enough to handle it. Then people start wondering why this stuff never used to happen and they realize half the heroes are in prison because they didn't want to be government slaves.
For example: Villain "A" pops makes a big showing somewhere, like Seattle. All the capekillers come looking for him but that's okay because he's got someone who can teleport him away. Meanwhile the real plan unfolds: as the SHIELD helicarrier hovers over, say, New York, the explosives in the propshafts go off Or some third rate flier carries some third rate transmuter and turns the metal to air. Unable to remain aloft, the ship plummets into a populated area. And all the guys "A" distracted away can't get back in time to prevent it. There won't be enough heroes in the world to hunt "A" down and deal with the aftermath of that. As a bonus he's likely destroyed much of the government's cape killer command and control. His plan is to wait in some foreign country until the government collapses and then carve himself off a piece of the United States to rule! The government will be forced to let the imprisoned heroes do what they do or risk total anarchy. Especially if "A" sets this up with some inside help (shapeshifters and intangible villains work well here) to ensure the government's response is poorly coordinated and ill-conceived.
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Post by jkemble on Aug 20, 2006 17:25:16 GMT -5
Marvel, not wanting to make the US Goverment look too cheap, has some one find evidence that the Hero Registration Act is constitutional, leading to a uber-trendy Divinci Code style intriegue / espineonasge sci-fi thriller contained only to the Marvel books directly in the Marvel Universe as a whole, pushing up sales in time for Christmas. However, in the final pages of the last issue of the six-part mini-series, Dr. Doom is stabbed by the eye of ammagedo, and falls backward into the spiraling lava pit, leaving his mind control ray-device where the US Government is able to snag it and cart it back to American soil where they are bushwhacked by the same Avenger varments that killed the Supreme Intellegence (well, killed, you know Marvel U style) including the Black Knight, and "change of heart" Iron Man, being the bastards that they are, they mind wipe America, smash Dr. Doom's mind control ray-device, and (screw the mutants, they turned over too quick) freed Captain America, because he is the true spirit of America, not some phony US Government that exsists in a shadowy closet. but the question remains: where is Spider-Man? or not. ...but maybe...
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Post by balok on Aug 20, 2006 18:51:51 GMT -5
Perhaps the opportune question now is... WHEN will it end?
My new theory: it's all a plot to take over the United States? And who's got the skills to pull it off? Why, the Space Phantoms, that's who!
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Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 21, 2006 13:51:06 GMT -5
...Clearly you do not know your Spider-fans. They have not yet gotten over the Clone Saga catastrophe of the early 90s, so God knows if they killed Mary Jane we would be hearing about it for a century or two.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Aug 21, 2006 16:59:22 GMT -5
Be there June 2007 as Marvel hits the ultimate reset. Return of the Beyonder. Secret Wars 4 is on! only, it's not called Secret Wars 4, it's called Beyond, and even though we haven't seen the Beyonder yet, it is only issue #1. It is awful simular to the set up in Secret Wars 1. In fact, it's the same. The Beyonder is how Spider-Man retakes his secret identity My new theory: it's all a plot to take over the United States? And who's got the skills to pull it off? Why, the Space Phantoms, that's who! It’s funny how these different notions blend together in one spoilerific October preview (I’d mention the series, but that would be part of the spoiler). I very much doubt the comic in question holds the resolution (it’s not even an official Civil War tie-in), but it would be a somewhat logical answer. By the way, the Space Phantoms are no relation to us Night Phantoms.
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Post by jkemble on Aug 21, 2006 21:11:10 GMT -5
word.
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Post by jkemble on Aug 21, 2006 21:14:13 GMT -5
It also didn't seem like the New Warrior Reality TV miniseries would lead to Civil War, or the events that took place in Annihilation would be connected to Beyond!
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