jkemble
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Post by jkemble on May 4, 2006 10:54:05 GMT -5
from Newsarama: Civil War Debriefing #1 "NRAMA: What about the New Warriors? Is it safe to saw that Namorita, at the very least, is toast? Any others that you’re willing to confirm as being really, seriously, very much so dead? TB: It’s still just a little bit too early of this question, I’m afraid. We’ve already revealed that one of the ongoing threads in Civil War: Front Line is the saga of the one New Warrior who survived the explosion—so I don’t want to narrow an already sparse field any more than it already is." link: www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/WarRoom/01/WarRoom01.htmlso, this is less than speculation. Here's why I hope for Namorita: She is Namors cousin, and a citizen of a foriegn nation, and not an American citizen. So it would be cool if Marvel, who wants to mirrior the real world, put her on trial, or better yet, detained her in one of America's hidden "black camps." Seems timely with Massoui's terrorism trial coming to an end. Then we could watch her deal with the angst of being directly resposible for killing over six hundred innocent civilians. It would also be fun to see how Namor reacts, and draw him into the whole Civil War conflict. But, who knows what is truely going to happen (not me!) thoughts? peace!
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Post by thew40 on May 4, 2006 20:03:28 GMT -5
My bet would be Namorita, too.
I'd be shocked if Speedball survived, just because Joe Q has made such a big deal about killing him off.
~W~
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Post by Shiryu on May 6, 2006 10:29:26 GMT -5
I hope Night Trasher survived, of those 4 he is the only one I kinda of like. However, he is much less famous than Namorita, so I would bet on her return (even though she was the closest to Nitro).
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Post by Erik on May 9, 2006 14:30:06 GMT -5
I think Speedball will survive because of the nature of his powers. If I am not mistaken, his powers are based on kinetic energy which he uses to surround himself with a super bouncy energy field. This protective field also makes him invulnerable. I presume the blast would simply blow him away from the scene instead of incinerating him.
Namorita on the other hand was the one who pulled Nitro's trigger, figuratively speaking. She was a ground zero and I doubt anyone could survive that (especially since Captain Marvel wasn't even able to survive a major blast from Nitro).
The other New Warriors really have no deep connection to the MU anymore. The most memorable characters - like Nova, Firestar, and Justice - have already left. I don't think many people will even remember the new team in a year. It wouldn't surprise me if Marvel eliminated the them completely (only to resurrect them in a few years as a villain like Bucky/Winter Solider or half of the DC Universe).
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Post by Erik on May 9, 2006 14:34:50 GMT -5
Oops, forgot to include this part in my previous post.
Killing Namorita would greatly serve their plot! What better way to really make Namor mad than to kill his favorite cousin? This would give them a chance to make Namor a major player. From the Illuminati special, we know that he already dislikes Tony (he tried to kill him), he is a rival of Mr. Fantastic, and he disagrees with the Registration Bill. I think he will side with Cap and kick Reed's collective butt while Cap takes on Stark.
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Post by Shiryu on May 10, 2006 9:07:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure about Speedball surviving, isn't there any upper limit to the resistence of his force field ? (and besides I think Quesada wants him dead ^^). As you mentioned, Namorita's death would be important to involve Namor in the upcoming Civil War. I'm quite happy that Firestar and Justice were not involved, I like the two of them, but who was the big guy fighting with them ?
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jkemble
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Post by jkemble on May 11, 2006 14:06:56 GMT -5
It's a new character, I can't remember his name, but believe it or not, he's Night Thrasher's son. ( go figure! ) he's introduced in the New Warrior's mini that was released like last summer or so. It's out in trade, I have a copy, it's a fun read, a reality tv spoof. anyway, I agree that Speedball is toast, Joe Q's been telling us for a long time what his plans were, and I think he's a man of his word (and that's why he doesn't say sh_t sometimes) anyway, just by placing Namorita in prison would also involve Namor, plus mirror what we see in the news with the secret "black" camps and prisons. Like hat's not going to piss of the mighty sub-mariner. ...but, I think that we are just going to have to wait and see. One thing is for sure, if all this "new warrior" focus keeps up, I think you can count on a new new warrior project...
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Post by Shiryu on May 12, 2006 8:00:58 GMT -5
Everything is possible, in the comics universe nearly no one stays dead for too long, and people like Nova, Justice and Firestar may try to rebuild the New Warriors (even though I prefer the last two as Avengers).
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jkemble
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Post by jkemble on May 12, 2006 21:19:09 GMT -5
...and don't forget Rage. He was an Avenger once!
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Post by Shiryu on May 14, 2006 9:28:22 GMT -5
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Post by Erik on May 15, 2006 12:46:12 GMT -5
SPOILER ALERT Great catch! I just checked out that link and it gives reveals who died. However, if you look up all of the other New Warriors profiles on Marvel.com, they all say something similar. I think Marvel is just messing with you until they reveal the true survivor. Until then, they are just listing everyone as dead.
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Post by Erik on May 15, 2006 12:54:13 GMT -5
Possible Spoilers! Marvel just released their August solicitations on Newsarama.com. Check out the link: www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aug06/solicitations.htmlIf you scroll to the bottom of the page, they reveal that Namor is on the cover to Wolverine #45. It appears that Namor is trying to beat Wolvie to get to Nitro. Maybe he is on his way to exact vengeance for Namorita's death?
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Post by The Night Phantom on May 15, 2006 16:30:53 GMT -5
Possible Spoilers! Marvel just released their August solicitations on Newsarama.com. Check out the link: www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aug06/solicitations.htmlIf you scroll to the bottom of the page, they reveal that Namor is on the cover to Wolverine #45. It appears that Namor is trying to beat Wolvie to get to Nitro. Maybe he is on his way to exact vengeance for Namorita's death? Interesting theory. Also note: Wolverine vs. Sub-Mariner is Avenger vs. Avenger! (But note: currently only the Civil War-related solicitations are posted; the full August slate is expected to be revealed later this week.)
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Post by Shiryu on May 16, 2006 8:12:24 GMT -5
I think the hero vs hero thing is going to be the one I like the most in the whole Civil War. Let's hope we have good battles ^^
So all the New Warriors profiles say something different ? That's smart by Marvel, looks like I had undervalued them.
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jkemble
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Post by jkemble on May 16, 2006 18:43:40 GMT -5
nice one Shiryu, so the only New Warrior on the scene that wasn't mentioned was Speedball. maybe when Joe Q said that he was killing Speedball he meant it metaphorically. Seems like something "not an Imaginary Story" Marvel might do. If you go here: www.marvel.com/universe/New_Warriors y'll see that Speedball is listed as the only current member, but, if you go here it lists him as killed by Nitro: www.marvel.com/universe/Speedball
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Post by Shiryu on May 17, 2006 9:08:53 GMT -5
Which means that one of the two is a trick done by Marvel to fool fans. Hard to say which one though. For that matter, are we sure that someone survived ?
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Post by The Night Phantom on May 17, 2006 19:41:48 GMT -5
For that matter, are we sure that someone survived ? It’s been announced that one of the stories in Civil War: Front Line will be about the surviving New Warrior.
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Post by jkemble on May 17, 2006 21:08:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that someone survived also, just not sure who (although right now my money is on Speedball, the Masked Marvel) It would explain the death of Speedball, and the "new" Masked Marvel sketches that were floating around the internet recently...
and speaking of New Warriors, did any of you get Annihilation: Nova? It was laugh out loud funny and entertaining as all heck. A great cross of 1970's classic Nova and 1990's New Warrior wise-guy version. for my money, it was worth the $2.99 and it will be interesting to see how Namorita's death affects him (too many pronouns?) when he returns from space next fall. (another reason for killing Namorita...) it would be a perfect catilyst for Nova to return to space and, duh-duh-duh... ongoing series launch. If the cosmic stuff sells...
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Post by roguejumpr on May 17, 2006 21:57:42 GMT -5
Where have you seen these Masked Marvel sketches? Any links?
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Post by Shiryu on May 18, 2006 10:53:05 GMT -5
I see. Well, my money is on Speedball then
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Post by jkemble on Jun 7, 2006 16:06:03 GMT -5
Guess who... I know! the answer is out in Civil War Frontline #1, in stores now (well, in Seattle at least...)
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 8, 2006 6:32:36 GMT -5
Uhm, bets taken then ? I go for Speedball
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Post by jkemble on Jun 8, 2006 18:01:39 GMT -5
chu-ching! get ready for the Masked Marvel...
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Post by balok on Jun 14, 2006 17:21:32 GMT -5
If you scroll to the bottom of the page, they reveal that Namor is on the cover to Wolverine #45. It appears that Namor is trying to beat Wolvie to get to Nitro. Maybe he is on his way to exact vengeance for Namorita's death? It might appear that way, but nothing in the solicitation actually says that. Sure, Nitro could survive an explosion like that - he cannot be harmed by explosive force. But there are a lot of reasons Wolverine and Namor might throw down.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jun 14, 2006 19:28:22 GMT -5
But there are a lot of reasons Wolverine and Namor might throw down. What—two such level-headed, charming fellows?
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 15, 2006 6:50:18 GMT -5
I think it's stated somewhere that Logan is hunting Nitro to make him pay for what happened, so probably Namor is doing the same (wouldn't want to be Nitro right now ^^)
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Post by balok on Jun 15, 2006 13:47:49 GMT -5
I think it's stated somewhere that Logan is hunting Nitro to make him pay for what happened, so probably Namor is doing the same (wouldn't want to be Nitro right now ^^) I could see that happening. Since a New Warrior survived, it's likely that soon enough everyone will know what they were doing, and who the villains were. From there it wouldn't take Albert Einstein to deduce who caused the explosion, especially when they find the bodies of the others in the rubble. Nitro is hard to beat unless you trick him, because when he explodes he's dispersed. Wolverine could heal from it and Namor's probably too tough to be much bothered, but they still then have to figure out how to catch him. And I'm not sure he'd be that easy to kill. Somebody like Reed Richards could easily devise a method. But not those two hotheads.
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Post by jkemble on Jun 29, 2006 10:48:19 GMT -5
...anyway... didja get a copy of Front Line #2? ready for the Masked Marvel yet?
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