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Post by Doctor Bong on Aug 11, 2006 0:57:52 GMT -5
Freakin' Ares...  Now, from Bendis & Cho, we receive the news that Ares is going to become an avenger... which, although it seems kinda stupid, wouldn't be that extreme but... they tell us as well that at some point we're gonna see a fight between Thor & Ares... and Ares is gonna win...!!! Freakin' Ares... The olympian joke who was defeated many times by the Avengers & even Hercules alone... As they say in another thread, the hits just keep coming... |
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Ultron
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Post by Ultron on Aug 11, 2006 2:53:25 GMT -5
Well, as we all know BENDIS! is a guy that always was a major avengers fan™, so has every major Avenger fan knows Ares, Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, Wolverine, Ronin and the Sentinel are the major bread and butter of the Avengers line up.
It's really awesome to see a real Avengers fan that really read it all through the years™ go into real hardcore, old school, true fan mode. And thank god he totally borked totally fake non-members like Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and pretty much everyone that was killed and disbanded in Avengers Missembled.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 11, 2006 14:49:22 GMT -5
Yeah, we're all so glad he got rid of a rubbish character like Hawkeye so he could put in Cage, that he maimed and decimated the entire HISTORY of Wanda Maximoff in order to put in Ronin/Echo/Whatever etc. What now.... 'Thor can go on the other team, we've got Ares!'
Brings to mind the question. Aren't there like.... 150 reserve Avengers or something? Why is Bendis picking out the few who have NEVER been Avengers anyway?
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Post by balok on Aug 11, 2006 18:37:56 GMT -5
It seems most strange to select Ares. Ares was God of War - a major deity back then. Ares and Thor could go toe to toe and it's anybody's guess who would win. (Hercules, as a demigod, should have been entirely outclassed by a major god like Ares.)
The basic philosophy of Ares is that war and killing are good things and that strikes me as totally alien to the Avengers approach. Of course, that assumes Bendis writes him correctly.
It's unlikely I'll be around to know. I've decided that since I've gone this far with Civil War I'll finish it out. And then I'll be dropping some books. Marvel is losing its way.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Aug 11, 2006 19:20:25 GMT -5
But Balok, I'm fairly certain back in the ol' days they always used to show us those "candid moments" in Olympus, where Hercules routinely trounced Ares during practice fights... and also. I seem to remember, during Harras run, another occasion when Hercules didn't seem to need any help to beat the crap out of Ares... and, as far as I know, Hercules has yet to defeat Thor in combat.
In any case, the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe used to place Ares' strenght within the superhuman class 70... does anybody out there knows if this has changed...? Meanwhile, both Thor & Hercules fall in class 100 (Even though I'm aware there's more to wining a battle than mere brute strenght...).
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Ultron
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Post by Ultron on Aug 11, 2006 19:53:18 GMT -5
The basic philosophy of Ares is that war and killing are good things and that strikes me as totally alien to the Avengers approach. Of course, that assumes Bendis writes him correctly. And that's assuming he doesn't simply appear posing in the covers only to never appear inside and to be seen in only one panel saying: " I Like popcorns. " |
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Post by dlw66 on Aug 11, 2006 20:36:52 GMT -5
Good one, Ultron. You get a love karma for that one.
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Post by BigDuke on Nov 13, 2006 15:01:33 GMT -5
But Balok, I'm fairly certain back in the ol' days they always used to show us those "candid moments" in Olympus, where Hercules routinely trounced Ares during practice fights... and also. I seem to remember, during Harras run, another occasion when Hercules didn't seem to need any help to beat the crap out of Ares... Not that I am jumping up and down about Ares being an Avenger, but in the good old days the hero would win, the bad guy would loose. The writers would manipulate the situation to make a weak character (Swordsman) able to stand up to an obvious overmatch (Cap's Quartet). So he could plausibly be much stronger than his old appearances allowed him to be. I am hoping (since it seems inevitable to have this guy on the team) that he is written as a God of War should be: a master of armed and unarmed combat, a master of tactics and strategy, cunning, and clever. What I fear is that he will just be another arrogant diety and that he will be homicidal. As God of War he should recognize that war is about winning(whether by positioning, manuevering, tactics, intimidation, etc), not killing. |
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Post by Engage on Nov 13, 2006 17:31:46 GMT -5
Maybe this will drive some great stories where Ares goes over the line and the Avengers have to deal with the fact they made a terrible mistake in granting him membership.
I don't think we should all rush to condemn this or anything. Its not like the Avengers haven't taken in what seemed to be obvious mismatches before and had it work out fine.
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Post by redstatecap on Nov 14, 2006 23:52:16 GMT -5
Maybe this will drive some great stories where Ares goes over the line and the Avengers have to deal with the fact they made a terrible mistake in granting him membership. And maybe monkeys might fly out of my butt. RSC |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Nov 15, 2006 1:23:36 GMT -5
redstatecap, are you the wonderful Wizard of Azz...?
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Post by Shiryu on Nov 15, 2006 4:22:14 GMT -5
Even Namor defeated Ares, easily, on a number of occasions. I don't know how the character as been retconned recently, but I really couldn't stand him winning over Thor unless the thunder god is somewhat weakened.
To be honest, that would be mythologically incorrect. Ares was the God of violent, ruthless war, running in the field and killing enemies by the dozens, relying only on strenght and sword. The goddess of smart war, tactics and strategy was Athena (who always won over Ares in direct confrontations).
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Post by Doctor Bong on Nov 15, 2006 15:28:30 GMT -5
Yes, even the usually mythologically incorrect "Xena, the Warrior Princess" portrayed Ares & Athena's relationship in that light.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Dec 29, 2006 11:56:59 GMT -5
Athena should join. That would be cool. What's she like in the Marvel U?
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 8, 2007 5:24:03 GMT -5
So far Athena has only made a few appareances, usually portraying her as her mythological self (a reasonable goddess and smart warrior). www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/athenami.htm has a full profile. |
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 15, 2007 12:07:27 GMT -5
One thing that is new for Ares is the angle of his son. Having a kid to take care of and be an example for (and a god like Ares would be very concerned how his son saw him) this , I think will make a workable angle for him.
Plus if he gets out of line you Stark won't hesitate to once again use the leverage of sending him and his son back to Olympus.
Again, I'm willing to let it play out a little.
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Now, from Bendis & Cho, we receive the news that Ares is going to become an avenger... which, although it seems kinda stupid, wouldn't be that extreme but... they tell us as well that at some point we're gonna see a fight between Thor & Ares... and Ares is gonna win...!!! Freakin' Ares...
