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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 15, 2007 18:23:32 GMT -5
Did it seem to anyone else that Tony had a deathwish throughout this whole series.
Comparing himself to Lincoln.
Surmising he might not make it through the whole thing.
Telling Cap to make the killing shot.
Almost like he felt he had to die to win the argument.
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Post by balok on Mar 15, 2007 20:36:44 GMT -5
It's an interesting point. I wonder, though, if it was intended as misdirection to convince readers that Tony would be a casualty of the Civil War.
I read Iron Man through the end of Extremis, and as far as I can remember there was nothing revealed in his book that might suggest he had a death wish.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 15, 2007 21:55:12 GMT -5
I just keep thinking back to the conversation he had with (I think Peter Parker) where he was doubting his ability to survive the war.
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Post by balok on Mar 16, 2007 9:04:43 GMT -5
Well, if he's got a death wish, he hasn't fulfilled it - so it should continue to show up in places where Iron Man appears: his own book, Mighty, and perhaps the Initiative.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 16, 2007 9:54:49 GMT -5
Looking at his own book, I see this relationship developing with the lady who invented Extremis. I think she is all about getting him back for putting her away. So more self destruction.
I am sure we are seeing a return to the bottle in the very near future.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 16, 2007 12:35:48 GMT -5
Naa, I don't think a return to the bottle would be good. He ALMOST did in #14 but Susan stopped him, good lass that she is!
I don't think he had a deathwish- more, he thought he would die. And I'd say he'd much rather die himself than have Cap die. And I think Cap would say the same with the roles reversed.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 16, 2007 13:05:07 GMT -5
I'm just thinking with the plot devices being used recently, the powers that be, may decide to put the bottle back in Tony's hand.
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Post by balok on Mar 16, 2007 15:06:11 GMT -5
He's certainly under enough stress, considering the responsibilities he has, the people he has betrayed who no longer like him (yes, he did it for what he saw as the greater good, but that won't make them like him), the gigantic secret he carries about what he did to win the Civil War.
The problem is, that story has already been told once. I'm tend to suspect that vein is tapped out. Besides, if Tony crawls back into the bottle, who takes over the Initiative? Cap's dead, Spidey's an outlaw (and unsuited to the position anyway), Ms. Marvel isn't really a flagship character... who?
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 16, 2007 15:45:45 GMT -5
(Fanfare...) THE SENTRY...!!!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 16, 2007 21:38:39 GMT -5
He's certainly under enough stress, considering the responsibilities he has, the people he has betrayed who no longer like him (yes, he did it for what he saw as the greater good, but that won't make them like him), the gigantic secret he carries about what he did to win the Civil War. The problem is, that story has already been told once. I'm tend to suspect that vein is tapped out. Besides, if Tony crawls back into the bottle, who takes over the Initiative? Cap's dead, Spidey's an outlaw (and unsuited to the position anyway), Ms. Marvel isn't really a flagship character... who? That is sort of my point. It's been quite some time since they played this vein, and the powers that be might decide that Tony could go back to it. Everyday alcoholics do it all the time (experience) And he would still lead the initiative. It COULD actually be a decent plot device. Tony believes he is strong enough to stand up to the bottle. He slowly starts losing control and drags other things down with him. I would probably follow it for a while. |
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Post by balok on Mar 16, 2007 22:10:29 GMT -5
(Fanfare...) THE SENTRY...!!! The Sentry is an emotional cripple. Him leading SHIELD would be the best thing that could happen... to the anti-registration forces! |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 18, 2007 18:12:13 GMT -5
Exactly... except maybe for a relapsed Stark.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 11, 2007 20:47:21 GMT -5
For the first little while, Stark would be on top of the bottle, but you would see it slowly start to affect his actions. A gradually increasing downward spiral.
but it would also be humbling, maybe that's a good direction to go.
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