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Post by Doctor Bong on Dec 10, 2006 20:00:31 GMT -5
Yes, but if the Negative Zone would exist in the real world, how would YOU feel if you were to be held in such alien, dangerous environment...? Would the fact that the authorities tell you this is only a temporary measure, until such an unspecified period of time when a proper trial for you can be arranged, offer you any significant amount of confort during your predicament...?
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Post by Doctor Bong on Dec 10, 2006 20:01:50 GMT -5
I might add (IMO), an UNconstitutional sort of predicament...?
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Post by jkemble on Dec 10, 2006 21:36:48 GMT -5
I kinda hope they make him a semi-villian (he's always been headstrong), but if they replace Tony that will be the end of the series for me. I want to see how Tony acts after the war, that's why I'm reading the title (starting with the Civil War issues)
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Post by The Night Phantom on Dec 11, 2006 18:38:28 GMT -5
I think you guys are taking these comic book politics a little too seriously. Just sit back and enjoy the show! I've come to my own conclusions regarding what we've seen. That’s great. But so have some of us; and ordering us to have the same emotional reaction as you is, frankly, absurd.
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Post by thew40 on Dec 11, 2006 19:48:49 GMT -5
I've come to my own conclusions regarding what we've seen. That’s great. But so have some of us; and ordering us to have the same emotional reaction as you is, frankly, absurd. B-b-but I . . . command you! Experience the emotions I order you to! To be honest, I didn't mean to come across as ordering you to feel a certain. I just meant that I think you're taking the politics of the story too seriously and that doing so is hurting any sort of entertainment it's providing. But that's just how I precieve it. Now . . . I command you to agree with me! Mwahahahaha! ~W~
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Post by The Night Phantom on Dec 11, 2006 20:10:00 GMT -5
I just meant that I think you're taking the politics of the story too seriously and that doing so is hurting any sort of entertainment it's providing. I think it’s clear that Marvel is deliberately echoing some real-world politics, politics which some of us do take seriously, politics which Marvel should realize that many readers take seriously, politics whose importance to many readers Marvel is likely counting on to bolster the economic success of this crossover. But it’s not just a matter of “politics” but of ethics or morals. Of course, you may disagree about the implications of the particulars of this story. But, to see how we can have this sort of reaction, surely you can imagine being disappointed by a story because it featured Iron Man or some other hero you’ve come to respect and admire doing something you find villainous, like committing rape or bilking little old ladies out of their savings. Confronted by such a scenario, wouldn’t you…uh…wouldn’t you…you…you… Yes, master…
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Post by jkemble on Dec 19, 2006 18:35:26 GMT -5
oh my gawd, did you see that? wait a minute, is this thing on?
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Post by Engage on Dec 22, 2006 2:18:21 GMT -5
Yes, but if the Negative Zone would exist in the real world, how would YOU feel if you were to be held in such alien, dangerous environment...? This is the part of Civil War that absolutely makes no sense to me. Can anyone name an instance where a Marvel character went into the Negative Zone and didn't almost die? Even if Annihilation is dealing with the big guns in the Negative Zone, shouldn't we at least see the prison shooting at those bat/jaws of life animals? Its the most dangerous place in the MU to put a prison, yet that is where they chose to put their former allies. How much danger pay must you get to work there when getting exploded in new and exciting ways is an everyday job danger? The only way to try and shift Iron Man and Reed away from looking totally insane is to explain why they thought this was a good idea, because it certainly isn't more secure than, say, Mars would have been. The whole thing feels like a cheap shot at the secret prisons in Eastern Europe and I think really weakens the political parallel by trying to make to many points. Couldn't they have just made the Raft "escape proof" with crazy Richards/Stark technology? That wouldn't have been as much of a "wow" moment but could have caused similar problems with the FF and Spider-Man if the anti-escape technology had been on the extreme side (an application of unstable molecules or something of that nature).
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Post by Yellowjacket on Dec 22, 2006 8:42:58 GMT -5
The only way to try and shift Iron Man and Reed away from looking totally insane is to explain why they thought this was a good idea, because it certainly isn't more secure than, say, Mars would have been. Yes, but isn´t the NZone per se more secure than Mars etc. would be, because there´s only one way in/out of it? At least that´s what I thought (Super Skrull did use the entrance in Baxter Building(?) to get into NZone in Annihilation too) though I still don´t know how Annihilus and his armies did get out - I don´t think that was mentioned.
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Post by Engage on Dec 22, 2006 13:12:10 GMT -5
There used to only be the one entrance, but that's no longer the case. In Civil War alone we've seen at least two entrances to 42, the one in the Baxter Building and the large gateway that's somewhere else.
But is the difficulty to get in or out really more secure if you have to worry about the constant threat from the Living Death That Walks and other similarly named NZone terrors. Space might not be as secure a location, but at least they know what to expect. Street Level heroes would be stuck, and higher powered heroes wouldn't really be stuck in another dimension any more than they would in space. Half of them can teleport through both time and space and the others could probably figure out how to get back in case of a jailbreak. Those guards have to be going home somehow, which makes me think that the main gateway must be used pretty often.
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