Captain America #30 Review

[goldenfist]

Read this review from ign.com about Captain America #30.

One of these months I hope Ed Brubaker turns in a lousy Captain America script just so I can stop trying to think of new ways to proclaim my love for the series. Based on his track record over the last two-and-a-half years, I'm not convinced that will ever happen. That's alright. I'm more than willing to strain my thinking muscles so that the world can continue to enjoy what is quite possibly the greatest extended run the character has ever seen.
Issue #30 represents the conclusion of the first post-assassination arc. That fact should please the readers who feel recent issues have moved too slowly. I count myself among that number, and I'm happy to report Brubaker speeds the pace along better. The only problem for some is that this issue doesn't necessarily feel like a conclusion. Very little of the conflict that has been brewing lately is resolved. In a way, Brubaker is breaking from the currently accepted mold of tight 6-issue arcs and hearkening back to the days where stories never had precise ending points. Regardless if that sounds like a refreshing change of pace or an annoying revelation, don't expect a huge amount of resolution in this issue. The Red Skull isn't defeated once and for all. The new Captain America isn't crowned. The only thing you can expect here is another stellar issue of Captain America by one of Marvel's best writers. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Rating: Must Read

So does anyone agree with the review.

[Nutcase65]

no,... absolutely not,... I don't agree whatsoever.

For me the Cap issues right now are full of,... confusion mixed with a lack of direction. I am sure there are those who are still into it. I'm just not one of them

[Doctor Doom]

I'm one of that gaping majority (not on this site, I'll grant you) who regard this as the best book on the market. The only book operating on any sort of similar level is Green Lantern, and even it's behind this.

As one poster on CBR aptly put it... if this book were any better, it would have to be called sex.

There are many things you can complain about, Nutty, but I don't see how Lack of direction is one of them. This book has just been one MASSIVE overarching story arc since issue one, building up and present in every issue. The individual arcs are all just chapters in the colossal larger epic, and it's all building up towards the same thing. Everything pre Cap 25 ended up building towards it, but not JUST it, this entire Death of Captain America arc. And this is all building to what comes next, and so on. The overall plot of tis title that's been going since issue 1 won't end until around 50.

[balok]

Brubaker is holding my attention for the moment. Those familiar with my attitude towards Marvel will realize this is about the most complementary thing I can presently say about their work.

[Nutcase65]

docdoom said:

I'm one of that gaping majority (not on this site, I'll grant you) .

I'm on a couple of other sies now as well, even some comic sites with live chat in IRC and this isnt a majority opinion on those sites either. and these aren't MArvel based sited they seem to be truly neutral in other ways but mostly aren't in favor of the Cap story line.

I'm not seein how this is a majority opinion.

as far as 'overarching' I think overreaching is more appropriate. It seems like maybe they are trying to make some pretense at some 'great storyline' but they are just boring me to death.

It comes back to the fact that Marvel has wayyy too many irons in the fire and cannot adequately take care of any of them. They need to settle down and get back to some simple one title storytelling

[balok]

It's certainly true that by the time Brubaker decides to bring Cap back, I'm likely to have grown bored with a book built around wannabees (Winter Soldier) and ruined supporting characters (Sharon Carter).

[Doctor Doom]

nutcase65 said:

I'm not seein how this is a majority opinion.

Go to CBR, the biggest comic site on the web.

Then ask about Cap.

[Black Knight]

docdoom said:

nutcase65 said:

I'm not seein how this is a majority opinion.

Go to CBR, the biggest comic site on the web.

Then ask about Cap.

I knew you would mention CBR doom.. Where if you disagree with them, they attack you like rabid dogs.

That is one of the worst boards, if you don't hold with their majority opinion.

And that is just my opinion.

As for Cap, well the book is good, but is almost pointless as we all know that Steve Rogers will be back by the time of the Captain America movie (that is in the planing stages), because it was anounce that Steve would be Cap in the movie, and marvel needs to make sure they cash in.

Again just my opinion.

[Doctor Doom]

I wouldn't say the posters on CBR react any more radically than.... oh, right here, for the most part. Yes, there's one or two idiots on any forum, but most of them are great people.

And you forget that I was vocally pro-registration, so I think I have quite a bit of experience at being a minority opinion on CBR and got along fine.

[Black Knight]

docdoom said:

I wouldn't say the posters on CBR react any more radically than.... oh, right here, for the most part. Yes, there's one or two idiots on any forum, but most of them are great people.

And you forget that I was vocally pro-registration, so I think I have quite a bit of experience at being a minority opinion on CBR and got along fine.

Interesting, since when I go to CBR and read the posts, they seem pro-reg and very pro-bendis. I have watched as people where attacked by upwards of 10 posters, telling them they are stupid, ignorant, and morons for not liking Bendis.

You are correct as long as you agree with them they are great guys. LOL

Oh well, all in the eye of the beholder, but please don't try to hold CBR up on as an example of anything. LOL

[Doctor Doom]

blackknight said:

Interesting, since when I go to CBR and read the posts, they seem pro-reg and very pro-bendis. I have watched as people where attacked by upwards of 10 posters, telling them they are stupid, ignorant, and morons for not liking Bendis.

...Are... are we talking about the same CBR?

VERY PRO-REG?

I'm an incredibly active, incredibly pro-reg poster who will actively defend Tony Stark. There is exactly one other guy who is really like this. There are a few others who will defend hiom in places. But the majority is not REMOTELY pro-reg. Right there in the World War Hulk forum there's a mega poll in which something like 70% of the people support the Hulk and about 15 support the Illuminati. On ANY sort of "Whose side are you on?" poll, there'll be a HUGE anti-reg skew. And in a very recent poll as to whether Iron Man was hero or villain, it was basically dead on 50-50. That's not "Right or wrong", that's hero or VILLAIN, the two extremes. And there were plenty of people who were anti-reg who voted hero at that, plenty of 'em. So I'm really not seeing anything that could remotely be seen as a pro registration bias, the very opposite in fact.

You are correct as long as you agree with them they are great guys. LOL

I disagree with the majority on the Spider-marriage, I disagree with the majority on who should have won the Civil War, I disagree with the majority on the WWH forum, I disagree on the state of iron Man's book, I disagree with the majority on any number of things, and tons of them are great guys. XPac and Jmacq, for example, are two posters I do not think I have ever agreed with ONCE in all my time on CBR, we argue on everything, but they're stellar guys and it's all in good gun. Here on Avengers Assemble, I constantly argue with Nutcase, with Doug, with uberwolf, with Bong, with Phantom etc, yet I still consider them all to be great guys.

So I consider that an unfair comment, not to mention an untrue one.

Oh well, all in the eye of the beholder, but please don't try to hold CBR up on as an example of anything. LOL

I'd say it's a lot more representative of the overall comics community than this site, certainly... and in many ways, it's certainly a more welcoming and open minded community as well.

[Black Knight]

Yep I remember XPac, one of the few decent guys on the board. I don't name names doom, so I am not going to start listing the people who attacked, and drove off over 15 posters, simple because they disagreed about Bendis (that was when I was on that board).

You want to consider it a unfair comment, go ahead, it is still my opinion.


Really doom, I think your opinion is clouded because people here simple don't agree with you very much.
But again it is all in the eye of the beholder.

HOw about we just agree to disagree and move on from this pointless arguement.

[balok]

Doc, I can only comment about my experience at CBR. I stated my opinion that Bendis was a very poor writer and I got jumped on and flamed by between eight and twelve different identities, several posting to back each other up. I'm fairly sure at least a few of them were sock puppets. I think one person defended my opinion.

They're not nice folks over there, if my experience was any indication. And a lot of them seem to be fanbois, the lowest form of fandom there is (a fanboi, as I define it, is an uncritical supporter of something - in this case Bendis).

I found it an unpleasant place, intolerant of differing views, and did not return.

[uberwolf]

I can see people looking at this board and thinking it intolerant. We may not be so vehement about the attacks, but there is a tendency to criticize dirty BENDIS! lovers. Personally I think everyone here is great no matter what their opinion. At least here, there's usually an attempt to logically defend their views instead of just shouting "you suck!".

[balok]

My experience occurred at least a year ago, so the details have faded, but I recall that the gist of the posts was "You're an a**hole because you don't like our Lord, Brian Bendis!" I remember that I wasn't impressed with the reasoning behind any of what my detractors said.

Figuring the board was full of fanbois (see above), I felt no urge to stay.

[Black Knight]

balok said:

My experience occurred at least a year ago, so the details have faded, but I recall that the gist of the posts was "You're an a**hole because you don't like our Lord, Brian Bendis!" I remember that I wasn't impressed with the reasoning behind any of what my detractors said.

Figuring the board was full of fanbois (see above), I felt no urge to stay.

That was pretty much my experience as well. I would ask them questions about why they like Bendis and NA (it was the hot topic) and get answers like, "you are stupid and a hater", or "Because it sells really well".

I got the same feeling from them as you did, it was just one personal attack after another.