Post by Alchemist-X on Jun 17, 2007 20:21:50 GMT -5
and for that bad sentence I wrote before, I meant: I don't understand why people wouldn't register if retiring on the stipulation of not using your powers is an option. It would essentially be the same as hiding, but without the illegal aspect. (Your point on secrecy is good and the only reason I see to hide if you didn't plan on using your powers)
Post by The Night Phantom on Jun 17, 2007 21:50:02 GMT -5
C9 was required to register, but also to fight even though she had no desire to do so right?
My understanding is that Cloud 9 was required to register. It has been contended that a registrant has some options regarding his “super” life as provided by the SHRA. If it is true that a registrant can legally choose to drop out of the “super” life, then Cloud 9 was not drafted in the usual understanding of the term. However, she may have chosen a route that gives her both freedom (the ability to fly legally) and obligations (training, which the battle in Initiative #2 seems to have been subsumed under, rightly or wrongly). From what I’ve seen, the various options and obligations have not been clearly established.
As for the retired
Firestar(you can question if she was allowed to retire, cuz she kinda just did it on her own in CW Frontline)
As you may have seen, I have indeed questioned it:
I find Firestar’s resignation weak evidence of what the Act says or how it is enforced. She tendered her resignation to a reporter. So far as I know, we haven’t seen or heard anything of Firestar since, and so we don’t know whether the government accepts the resignation. (Similarly, a soldier could tender his resignation to a journalist, but that’s no reason for the Army not to consider him AWOL.) If there were a scene in which she went up to Iron Man or Ms. Marvel when they weren’t busy and said something like, “Nyah nyah! I’m unregistered and I resigned!” and they didn’t do anything about it, then I might think, “Hmm…maybe they really are showing restraint regarding this aspect of the registration situation, at least for now.” But absent any such relevant scenes, I think the depiction of Firestar’s case doesn’t really support (or, for that matter, undermine) your position.
To continue with your examples of retirees:
Julie Power - Described by Phil Urich as "Registered, but retired" in the Loners LS.
Urich goes on to say that the whole team is retired, this includes Darkhawk, Turbo, and Richochet. Mattie Franklin (Spider woman 3) is also in this group and described as retired with them, but she made it clear in previous issues that this was a ruse and she was inintersted in retirement.
I think that Lightspeed, Darkhawk, and Ricochet’s cases are a lot like Firestar’s. (Except that they’re not acting all that retired…)
Urich himself apparently didn't need to register because he was no longer in possession of any goblin tech when the act was passed. (I assume this because he doesn't say anything about being registered himself)
I believe Mickey (Turbo) is in a similar boat.
The point I want to make on power usage is the fundamental difference between the SHRA and the older Mutant Registration act.
SHRA doesn't concern itself with empowered invidividuals who have not used thier powers(Thus far at least)
The Mutant Registration act had agents actively searching for any mutants, active or otherwise. This included people who didn't initially know they had powers either.
The Mutant Registration act was a way to make comments on racism in society
The SHRA is a way to make comments on security vs freedom in socciety.
This 'debate' I feel makes the difference between 'evil'(MRA) and the real (if Cynical) world (SHRA)
That’s an interesting point. However, as I have shown, Marvel stories do describe the SHRA as applying to all persons with powers, whether they use them or not. (It also applies to other “super” people who don’t actually have powers themselves—think War Machine or Hawkeye.) I agree that in practice, so far SHRA enforcement does not seek out hitherto unknown non-active possessors of powers. (Enforcement also occasionally turns a blind eye to actives—for example, Iron Man’s understanding with the Eternals.) But theoretically it could—perhaps Richards or Stark could devise a super-DNA detector, or Brother Voodoo could cast a revelation spell (which might especially help with the mystically based superbeings). The effective registration of all mutants at Xavier’s—who apparently were most mutants, period—helped sidestep the race issue. I suspect this was mostly a creative decision to help keep Civil War’s issues somewhat focused, but diegetically it also reads as a crafty political decision. (Note that the pesky Firestar is a mutant…maybe, if her nonregistrant status came to light, she would be given special treatment because she’s a mutant?)
Post by Alchemist-X on Jun 18, 2007 3:36:27 GMT -5
Well Mickey still has a working Turbo suit apparently, so I would think she would also be required to register. All Urich's goblin tech ran out before heroes reborn, quite a while ago now huh? still without a doubt the worst green goblin ever.
Post by The Night Phantom on Jun 18, 2007 21:14:42 GMT -5
Well Mickey still has a working Turbo suit apparently, so I would think she would also be required to register.
I must have missed or forgotten that she has a Turbo suit. I don’t recall seeing anything that spells out whether or not a person who owns superpower-like technology but does not carry it around or otherwise use it would be legally required to register. It’s an interesting point. Even if the law says no, possession of such a suit could be the basis of a circumstantial case against the possessor.
if you have a power you must register regardless of age or power.
Except for the people Iron Man gives a pass to, like Doctor Strange. And then there's all the Civil War participants for whom he argued an amnesty, when they should all be charged with violating the Act. That, of course, is if you want rule by law instead of rule by "some guy says so." They have that in Russia now under Rootin' Tootin' Putin and it's not working so well for them...