Black Panther heads up

[Nutcase65]

We are about to experience some backlash from using the negative zone through these issues. I'm not gonna risk a spoiler here, but if you are not reading BP, you should at least pick it up and thumb through it, especially if you are following the FF, these are gonna tie pretty strongly together.

The art is getting a little off kilter, but I still love the direction of the book. Plus he is still ticked about the embassy and the US is not done screwing around with Wakanda. I love the fact that they are building up to a skirmish here. The tension is at just the right level.

It really is worth a look guys and gals

[Doctor Doom]

It was alright. Some continuity gaffs and I hate the attitude of "Johnny and Ben are like kids, they need someone to look after them" which is typical of this book. (IE: Playing up the Panther BIGTIME) but still a fun romp.

[Nutcase65]

Well Doom, even in the FF book Johnnie and Ben are still ALWAYS getting into it, sibling style. Look at the fire extinguisher thing in issue before last.

and OF COURSE, they're gonn play up the BP. It's his book,.. well he's married now so I guess it's their book,.. unless they divorce then he'll only have half a book.

Anyway, no ninjas

[The Night Phantom]

nutcase65 said:

and OF COURSE, they're gonn play up the BP. It's his book

One can do that without denigrating (no pun intended) other established characters—I think that’s what Doc is getting at. (Disclaimer: Myself I haven’t read the series much, and so I haven’t formed an opinion as to whether the Panther is elevated unfairly at others’ expense.)

[Nutcase65]

I don't feel he is. One of the things I really like about this series is that his normal human support staff back in Wakanda gets a good amount of playing time as well.

Another thing that I REALLY like about his issue,...look out I'm about to praise Iron Man,... is seeing Stark take a piece out of Agent Hill's backside. That made me happy.

[Nutcase65]

Gonna pimp my favorite here.

This title still is going strong. The new FF battle an invader from the negative zone. This a pretty good fight with plenty of Thing/Johnny dialog.

I'm not gonna tell much but I will give away the ending

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Zombie Galactus Avenger World-Eaters. That's gotta be fun

[Doctor Doom]

I still feel the Panther is ridiculously overpowered, in the way Phantom implied. There is a difference between doing it well and poorly. Let me give examples:

-In FF 545-546, the Panther defeats the Surfer. This is done organically, in a way which makes sense and makes you go "Aaaaah..." and gain appreciation for his character.

-In BP 19, Panther defeats Doom. This is done in a stupid way which portrays Doom as sexist, racist and a complete moron, and clearly exists almost solely to show the Panther is better than Doom in almost every way.

-In BP 22, he beats Iron Man with no effort.

-In BP 25, he is almost solely responsible for Cap's troops dominating part of The Final Battle.

Those are just some of many that spring to mind. The writer CONSTANTLY downgrades others just to show how awesome the Panther is. AND he was one of the most biased writers on CW. Most just made it seem that one side was Nazi-ish, with Hudlin it was as though someone had told him the pro-reg side were actually the villains and weren't portrayed as adversaries but as outright VILLAINS who you must root against always. It cannot be anything but intentional.

Despite all my insults, this book continues to be a somewhat guilty pleasure. I'll be honest, the second the Four are gone I'll be out of this book, with some minor regrets, but out of it. Maybe before, I never really cared about zombies and the art does nothing for me.

[Nutcase65]

yeah but I still love it,... biased or not.

as for that Iron Man thing,.. Tony does have a habit of underestimating people. I think this was just spit in the eye.

I don't think we'd easily see a repeat of that.

But he is a genius level scientific mind. As far as facing Doom they have some common ground. I also think that Doom makes the same mistake Tony does in underestimating. I also don't think it's Doom being racist, even though his terminology is. I think it's more a thing about Doom's superiority complex.

That being said I will admit to seeing a little bias,... maybe,...


but still

[Alchemist-X]

See what you've described turns me off from the New BP. It seems like their trying to make him into a Marvel-Bat-man and rather than make it through the merit of his own skills it seems at the cost of the reputation of others.

The Body of Captain America, the Brain of Reed Richards and the Bank Account of Tony Stark, was the tagline for this series when it started right?

Cap is a fair comparison on physical power, Smart as Reed strikes me as a slight stretch (no pun intended), rich as Stark might actually be an understatement.

But overall I just don't buy into this unstopable Black Panter, just doesn't strike me as a character who should have it so easy.

[Nutcase65]

alchemistx said:

See what you've described turns me off from the New BP. It seems like their trying to make him into a Marvel-Bat-man and rather than make it through the merit of his own skills it seems at the cost of the reputation of others.

The Body of Captain America, the Brain of Reed Richards and the Bank Account of Tony Stark, was the tagline for this series when it started right?

Cap is a fair comparison on physical power, Smart as Reed strikes me as a slight stretch (no pun intended), rich as Stark might actually be an understatement.

But overall I just don't buy into this unstopable Black Panter, just doesn't strike me as a character who should have it so easy.

[Nutcase65]

alchemistx said:

See what you've described turns me off from the New BP. It seems like their trying to make him into a Marvel-Bat-man and rather than make it through the merit of his own skills it seems at the cost of the reputation of others.

The Body of Captain America, the Brain of Reed Richards and the Bank Account of Tony Stark, was the tagline for this series when it started right?

Cap is a fair comparison on physical power, Smart as Reed strikes me as a slight stretch (no pun intended), rich as Stark might actually be an understatement.

But overall I just don't buy into this unstopable Black Panter, just doesn't strike me as a character who should have it so easy.

X are you actually reading the series? The tone of the book doesn't portray him anything like Batman. As for thost three points the Panther(whoever is in the role) has proven to have fighting skills equal to and sometimes better than cap. As for his money, he is the ruler of the Wealthiest per-capita nation in the world. As it's ruler he has complete control over those resources. As for his brain, he doesn't have Reed's complete genius, he's very smart but not on Reed's level, more on Tony's. However what he lacks in that kind of brain power he makes up for in wiles and wit.

He's not pertrayed as unstoppable by himself either. The addition of Storm by his side has really provided a formidable, and for me, believable team dynamic. Also when he's using tha Ebony Sword that gives him an already established power boost as well.

It's just good to see them giving higher power levels to someone who isn't a rich American or working for the American government, because there are smart and strong people in other places in the world. (Just not Ireland ;D, jk Doomsie)

[Doctor Doom]

Actually nutty, I have to disagre- I think it portrays him EXACTLY like Batman....

[Engage]

I've thought of the new Panther as a hybrid of Batman and Mr. Terrific.

[Tana Nile]

I'd agree, Panther has been Batmanified, which I actually think is a good thing, to a point. I like that BP is now a major player in the MU. I like that his genius is being shown and many of the developments (like his armor) make sense. The only thing I haven't liked is the way he has also developed a pre-OYL Batman-sized arrogance. I think this is seen primarily in his own title; other writers have not shown him to be so full of himself. I'm also not fond of the depiction of Dr. Doom as a racist and sexist, and borderline raving maniac, but again, that's seen only with Hudlin on the main title.

Despite his arrogance, he was the only person with enough good sense to decline joining the Illuminati.

[Nutcase65]

I guess I'm at a disadvantage there,.. the only batman stuff I really know is from TV and a few reads here and there.

I always think of Batman pulling anything and everything from that belt of his. I don't see that in the Panther. But I'm sure theres' more to Batman than the belt. I just don't know enough about him.

Still like the book and the character. Plus Zombie Avenger Galactuses.

[Alchemist-X]

A person trained to the pinnacle of human physical capacity, in multiple styles of combat and uses of weapons, with unlimited bankroll for specialized costume, vehicles and weapons. Schooled from multiple sources in different fields this person is also highly intelligent.

Named after an Animal and Dressed in Black, I have described.......
Both Batman and the Black Panter.

BP always had the phsyical thing, the gear, the money and the mind, but only of recent has it come together in a sort of instant fix to any problems I'm the best non-powered crime fighter in the MU sort of way.

And I haven't been reading BP only browsing at the comic store/flipin thru previews.