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Post by Black Knight on Sept 5, 2006 8:30:32 GMT -5
Just thought I would put this choice bit of news here. From the looks of the picture I am guessing the team is: From the left to the right Talisman Aracne (Julia Carpenter) Guardian Captain or Captain America Beta Ray Bill (confirmed) Lets discuss forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888
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steed
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Post by steed on Sept 5, 2006 10:30:27 GMT -5
Wow. Abook with second rate copies of Cap, Iron-Man, Thor and the Scarlet Witch. I'm all tingly from anticipation.
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 5, 2006 12:23:32 GMT -5
Wow. Abook with second rate copies of Cap, Iron-Man, Thor and the Scarlet Witch. I'm all tingly from anticipation. Well, thank you for proving you absolutely no knowledge of Talisman, Beta Ray Bill or Guardian. Would anyone who actually knows the charaters like to discuss this?
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 5, 2006 12:33:07 GMT -5
I am not in the current loop about most of these characters, but I'll admit when word first broke about Captain America leading a team comprised largely of Canadians I thought it was strange.
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Post by steed on Sept 5, 2006 12:52:06 GMT -5
Talisman is the daughter of Shaman from the original Alpha Flight. I remember she became a member after something happened to her father. I think he was sucked into his magic bag but this happened 20 years ago so I'm a little spotty about it.
I also dropped AF around then and didn't buy any of it's reincarnations so I don't know what happened to Talisman or AF after that.
Guardian is in the same boat. I know originally he got his powers from his suit but was killed when it exploded in AF #12. Byrne later "brought him back" in one of the silliest explainations I've read until "The Winter Soldier" storyline. Byrne did this purposely because it was meant to be a clue that this wasn't the real Guardian but instead some villian I can't remember posing as the Guardian. This was the plot of the "evil Alpha Flight" which I think was called Beta Flight. AF beat BF and exposed the phoney Guardian, Byrne left the book and later on someone else revived Guardian using the same lame story that Bryne did. Somehow back when the suit exploded, it teleported the Guardian to another planet or dimension where he was found by aliens who had never seen humans before so they rebuilt his body and suit together. There was also some time travel twist to this too, but I can't remember it. So man and machine was fused together. I think he died again but was brought back.
Beta Ray Bill was an alien who needed Thor's hammer to protect his race. He beat Thor in a fight and got the hammer, Thor contested this with Odin, they had another contest, this time in Asgard. I can't remember who one but I do recall Odin gave Beta Ray his own hammer.
If you can't see comparisons to at least Thor and Iron-Man, then you're right and I'll be on my merry way.
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 5, 2006 13:15:53 GMT -5
I believe that it is just going to be the suit with Guardian, not fused.
Beta Ray Bill, is vastly more then a knock off of Thor, I would suggest reading the recent limited by Oeming called Stormbreaker: The Saga of Beta Ray Bill.
These charaters are knock offs like Sentry is a knock of Superman. Meaning that there powers are similar, however that is where the similarities end.
Talsiman, is not a mutant, but then again i guess Dr.Strange is a knock of Scarlet Witch in your mind, they both use magic.
As for the Cap charater, well we don't even know who it is yet. I swear, something looks remotely cool, and bame it is stupid, and pointless.
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 5, 2006 13:17:21 GMT -5
I am not in the current loop about most of these characters, but I'll admit when word first broke about Captain America leading a team comprised largely of Canadians I thought it was strange. Yes I do as well, however if this is Steve, he must have been deported. (that is interested in a weird way). However, I don't see him leaving of his own free will. Also it is possible this is not Steve Rogers or even Captain America.
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Post by steed on Sept 5, 2006 13:28:03 GMT -5
I'm merely stating that 4 of the characters look like 4 of the Avengers.
This does look like a team of Avengers I'd like to see again (Cap, IM, Thor and SW) which does make it look cool. But it's not the Avengers. It's Alpha... I mean Omega Flight. And that means I'll take a wait and see attitude with this one.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 5, 2006 15:33:59 GMT -5
There is a post directed at this thread, on the General board. I'd suggest that it be read.
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Post by Engage on Sept 5, 2006 23:11:12 GMT -5
I want this. I wasn't into comics during AF, but this should be interesting in the fallout of Civil War.
Question: What is the difference between Guardian and Vindicator?
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 6, 2006 7:52:27 GMT -5
I want this. I wasn't into comics during AF, but this should be interesting in the fallout of Civil War. Question: What is the difference between Guardian and Vindicator? Guardian Was James Hudson and had powers based on the electro magnetic field of the earth. Vindicator was Heather Hudson and had powers based on the geo-thermal field of the earth. Sorry I can't be more use.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 6, 2006 14:00:22 GMT -5
I actually can't believe that such an off beat topic nearly became a flame. Guys, to the point of sounding silly, I remind once again everyone that forums are for civil conversations, and karma should be used wisely, not to smite everyone who disagrees with your opinion. Also, there is (or should be) nothing personal, it's all about the comics we like, and it's normal that some people like some characters more than others.
I've edited / erased the inappropriate topics
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 6, 2006 14:15:29 GMT -5
I actually can't believe that such an off beat topic nearly became a flame. Guys, to the point of sounding silly, I remind once again everyone that forums are for civil conversations, and karma should be used wisely, not to smite everyone who disagrees with your opinion. Also, there is (or should be) nothing personal, it's all about the comics we like, and it's normal that some people like some characters more than others. I've edited / erased the inappropriate topics Thanks, I really just wanted to post something that I thought would be cool and fun to discuss, I didn't realize that some people would have such strong negative opinions about it.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 6, 2006 14:26:26 GMT -5
Going back to topic, if that is Cap, it would be interesting to see him under Guardian's leadership. I remember the early issues of A.F., where Guardian was flattered for being considered "the Canadian Cap". Also, I wonder if the other one is Thor or Beta Ray Bill. Sure it looks big (bigger then either), but I can't see why Bill would join a Canadian group. Thor instead may follow Cap there.
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 6, 2006 14:41:44 GMT -5
Going back to topic, if that is Cap, it would be interesting to see him under Guardian's leadership. I remember the early issues of A.F., where Guardian was flattered for being considered "the Canadian Cap". Also, I wonder if the other one is Thor or Beta Ray Bill. Sure it looks big (bigger then either), but I can't see why Bill would join a Canadian group. Thor instead may follow Cap there. In the interview I linked to, Oeming confirms that it is Beta ray Bill. Also that Guardian is not James Hudson. However he never says who is in charge, but that the cap like charater is the glue holding the team together. either way it will be interesting.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 6, 2006 14:45:15 GMT -5
Sorry, I stopped at the picture ^^ Sounds interesting. I thought the Cap guy could have been USAgent, but he is not someone likely to glue a team. Now that I think about it, it's curious he didn't show up in Civil War...
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 6, 2006 15:33:23 GMT -5
Sorry, I stopped at the picture ^^ Sounds interesting. I thought the Cap guy could have been USAgent, but he is not someone likely to glue a team. Now that I think about it, it's curious he didn't show up in Civil War... I thought that was odd to, that and Beta Ray bill not appearing, but who knows know that thor is there, Bill might appear. As for USAgent, I would have thought he would have been one of the first to sign up for the registration act.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 6, 2006 21:37:51 GMT -5
I want this. I wasn't into comics during AF, but this should be interesting in the fallout of Civil War. Question: What is the difference between Guardian and Vindicator? Guardian Was James Hudson and had powers based on the electro magnetic field of the earth. Vindicator was Heather Hudson and had powers based on the geo-thermal field of the earth. Well…both characters have used both aliases. Mac (James) debuted in X-Men (original series) #109 as Weapon Alpha, then was Vindicator in X-Men (original) #120, finally settling on “Guardian” in Alpha Flight (original) #2. Some time after his supposed death, Heather took on the Vindicator identity in AF #34, then changed to “Guardian” in #60. After Mac returned, he resumed the Guardian name and Heather reverted to “Vindicator”. I don’t know the ins and outs of their technologically based powers, but I believe I recall Heather using electromagnetism also.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 6, 2006 21:53:19 GMT -5
As for speculation about the new team, I can see why the person on the left ( see image) would be taken to be Talisman (Elizabeth Twoyoungmen); she’s the first person I thought of, too. On the other hand, I also wonder if it’s supposed to be Doctor Strange (cloak, Eye of Agamotto), who Marvel has announced will be joining “a surprising new team”! I know…I also speculated about the Doc joining the Mighty Avengers team...but Omega Flight, which shares its name with an old Alpha Flight villain team-up, is a lot more surprising. (Shouldn’t Marvel pick another Greek letter if it won’t stick with Alpha? Given the way it likes to name revamped teams, why not Nu Flight? ;D ) I know the picture skews toward a female character, but in a Marvel Universe that gave us Ronin, who knows? Besides, the Doctor Strange limited series that is supposed to set up the Doc’s team membership has him apparently dying and guest-stars Night Nurse, who is female…maybe he’ll be coming back as her.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 6, 2006 22:15:01 GMT -5
the "evil Alpha Flight" which I think was called Beta Flight By the way, the “evil” team was the original Omega Flight, which I mentioned above. There were teams called Beta Flight and Gamma Flight, but they were training teams for prospective members of Alpha Flight. Both Alpha and Omega recruited members of Beta and Gamma.
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Post by rui on Sept 7, 2006 2:29:14 GMT -5
Well, this is intriguing... I don't believe this is USAgent, because he has had some ties to the U. S. Government. As a matter of fact, like someone said he would be the first in line to register. I'm just surprised with the fact that he hasn't been seen yet hunting Cap...
Captain America? Why not? It happened before, remeber? Back in 1995 (if I'm not mistaken). And in the real world this has happened that certain leaders have to leave their country in order to continue the fight for what they believe. Do you want a better example than Dalai Lama? Mike Oeming said in the article that Captain Didn't ran away. And He didn't. He probably decided that the best way to continue his fight for his concept of America, would be to leave the country and that my friendes would be probably the most dificult and courageous decision of all.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 7, 2006 5:33:31 GMT -5
Captain America? Why not? It happened before, remeber? Back in 1995 (if I'm not mistaken). And in the real world this has happened that certain leaders have to leave their country in order to continue the fight for what they believe. Do you want a better example than Dalai Lama? The current Dalai Lama fled Tibet/China in 19 59. I once attended a speech he gave (I think the speech was in 1995!). I don’t know the intricacies of his religion, but it’s clear he’s an interesting, progressive thinker on a variety of subjects that are of import to humanity in general. Philosophically, he would be an intriguing match for Captain America. (I’m not sure how His Holiness is at shield-flinging, however. ) My silliness aside, Rui’s point is taken. Patriotism takes a variety of forms. Certainly one can serve one’s country outside one’s country and/or in spite of one’s government.
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Post by rui on Sept 7, 2006 6:51:14 GMT -5
When I mentioned 1995, I was referring to a certain issue (I can't be sure if it was 1995 or 1996) captain America #451 in wich Cap was forced to stop using the uniform and asked (if I remember correctly) to leave the country If I'm mistaken , please correct. I read the story 10 years ago...
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 7, 2006 8:10:56 GMT -5
Guardian Was James Hudson and had powers based on the electro magnetic field of the earth. Vindicator was Heather Hudson and had powers based on the geo-thermal field of the earth. Well…both characters have used both aliases. Mac (James) debuted in X-Men (original series) #109 as Weapon Alpha, then was Vindicator in X-Men (original) #120, finally settling on “Guardian” in Alpha Flight (original) #2. Some time after his supposed death, Heather took on the Vindicator identity in AF #34, then changed to “Guardian” in #60. After Mac returned, he resumed the Guardian name and Heather reverted to “Vindicator”. I don’t know the ins and outs of their technologically based powers, but I believe I recall Heather using electromagnetism also. You are correct, Heather did use electromagnetism also, however the powers I mentioned where what they finished up with before NA.
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 7, 2006 8:12:08 GMT -5
Actually I like the name Omega Flight for this comic. Alpha Flight or the First Flight, is done, now we are looking at Omega Flight or the Last Flight. Symbolic in many ways. A last chance for some heros, and a last chance for a Flight comic.
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 7, 2006 9:41:59 GMT -5
For anyone that was wondering what happened to USAgent. forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83210Looks like it might be him in Omega Flight, since it is Oeming writing his story and Kolins is on art, of course that could be a red herring.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 7, 2006 19:20:42 GMT -5
When I mentioned 1995, I was referring to a certain issue (I can't be sure if it was 1995 or 1996) captain America #451 in wich Cap was forced to stop using the uniform and asked (if I remember correctly) to leave the country If I'm mistaken , please correct. I read the story 10 years ago... Sorry about the misunderstanding; thanks for the clarification. I’m not familiar with the story in question, but I’ve found that Captain America #451 is cover-dated May ’96.
You are correct, Heather did use electromagnetism also, however the powers I mentioned where what they finished up with before NA. And thank you for that clarification also, Mr. “I can post in this topic three times in a row too”. ;D (We can start a club!)
Actually I like the name Omega Flight for this comic. Alpha Flight or the First Flight, is done, now we are looking at Omega Flight or the Last Flight. Symbolic in many ways. A last chance for some heros, and a last chance for a Flight comic. Those are good points; but at the same time, given the history of the Omega Flight name…Idunno, it’s as though the X-Men were being revamped as “the Brotherhood of Mutants” or the Avengers were going by the acronym “AIM”.
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 8, 2006 7:53:33 GMT -5
When I mentioned 1995, I was referring to a certain issue (I can't be sure if it was 1995 or 1996) captain America #451 in wich Cap was forced to stop using the uniform and asked (if I remember correctly) to leave the country If I'm mistaken , please correct. I read the story 10 years ago... Sorry about the misunderstanding; thanks for the clarification. I’m not familiar with the story in question, but I’ve found that Captain America #451 is cover-dated May ’96.
And thank you for that clarification also, Mr. “I can post in this topic three times in a row too”. ;D (We can start a club!)
Actually I like the name Omega Flight for this comic. Alpha Flight or the First Flight, is done, now we are looking at Omega Flight or the Last Flight. Symbolic in many ways. A last chance for some heros, and a last chance for a Flight comic. Those are good points; but at the same time, given the history of the Omega Flight name…Idunno, it’s as though the X-Men were being revamped as “the Brotherhood of Mutants” or the Avengers were going by the acronym “AIM”. LOL, yes the "Post three times in a row club". I understand your point about the Omega Flight name, I guess we will just have to wait and see why they decide on that name.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 14, 2007 13:33:46 GMT -5
Newsarama has posted a preview of Marvel’s April solicitations (the same page is scheduled to be updated with full solicitations the morning of Tuesday, Jan. 16). The preview includes: And there is a related image:
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jan 14, 2007 15:40:07 GMT -5
Mmmnnn... Hope Arachne & US Agent don't bring with them their "Force Works" karma to the new team...
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